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cheesebeef said:
Damnit - that deal potentially would have set us up for years to come.

Green wasn't that great last year.
Penny isn't too far from free agency (and is probably only a #3 starter)
Brazoban could be pretty good, but has only pitched one season in the bigs.

How would it have set the Dbacks up for years to come?
 

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WTF does the headine on AZcentral.com mean:

Randy traded to NY possible in 3-way deal


Now, there's a good piece of journalism we can count on!

That sentence left me with a headache trying to decipher it. :eek:
 

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cheesebeef said:
WHAT?! Now RJ wants to stay? Damnit - that deal potentially would have set us up for years to come.

What the hell is Randy doing? Is he just some petulant child who wanted a lot of attention? This blows - unless Randy stay and they somehow get another bat the size of Green's in some other type of deal.

I think its a ploy to get his extension done with the Yankees soon. An "If you don't work out a deal with me, I'll stay here" type of thing
 

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nm132 said:
Green wasn't that great last year.
Penny isn't too far from free agency (and is probably only a #3 starter)
Brazoban could be pretty good, but has only pitched one season in the bigs.

How would it have set the Dbacks up for years to come?

Now, there's a guy that's optimistic. :confused:
 
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KingofCards said:
Yes. That is it. I knew it. RJ is bargaining with his future to help the team he is possibly leaving.

I love that guy. He is always looking out for #1.

Just a thought. After thinking about it RJ is just trying to get an extension from George. I hope this trade happens. I believe as of today the Diamondbacks have a shot at the weak NL West.
 

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Anyone know Brad Penny's contract numbers?
 

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Ryanwb said:
Anyone know Brad Penny's contract numbers?

Is Penny healthy? I know he had shoulder/arm problems last year and missed all but two starts once traded to the Dodgers.

I am absolutely blown away by the movement we've made during FA - I was expecting the Backs to be completely off my radar for another 5 years.
 

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I am absolutely blown away by the movement we've made during FA - I was expecting the Backs to be completely off my radar for another 5 years.
You bandwagon idiot.

:D
 

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sly fly said:
Now, there's a guy that's optimistic. :confused:

Well, Shawn Green has actually been mediocre the past two seasons, but who's counting. The trade could have been worse: Albie Lopez or Elmer Dessens could have been involved.
 

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After looking at this again and from reading more reports, this trade looks like it is going to happen. The NY Times has this trade reported and they don't put up just random rumors (they are the paper of record).

There is still confusion on certain aspects of the deal but the parameters are agreed upon (hence this won't officially be done for a couple of days). For example there is a stipulation in RJ's deal that says he gets Suns season tickets as long as he is here ... so they are trying to figure out the equivalent of that in NY. That doesn't mention the $$ aspect of the deal, namely who gets money from whom.

This looks like its going to happen but just not done tonight
 

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OK. Now Jayson Stark says that this deal may never happen since this was something that was brought up BEFORE Beltre left and his leaving may destroy it.

OY
 

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Sportscenter is talking about Johnson as a Yankee. Sounds like it's about to be done.
 

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Oy - step away from the computer for a few hours and all heck breaks loose.

Is he or isn't he?

Like the trade - if it happens.
 

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stretchthefield said:
Wonder if this money dump by the Dodgers clears the way to make a run at Carlos Beltran? If the trade does happen.

Tim Kirkjan(sp?) was hinting that more than likely they'd go after JD Drew.
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1947995

Thursday, December 16, 2004
Dodgers would move Green, Penny to D-Backs


ESPN.com news services
Randy Johnson wants out of Arizona and wants in with the Yankees. The five-time Cy Young Award winner would have to waive his no-trade clause, but he'd apparently do that in a heartbeat.

A proposed three-team mega-trade that reportedly was on the road to getting done Thursday night hit the skids.

A baseball source told ESPN that several obstacles stand in the way of a trade involving the Yankees, Diamondbacks and Dodgers, and that the deal rapidly exceeding the complexity of last year's failed Alex Rodriguez-to-Boston trade might never happen at all.

Earlier reports indicated that the teams were closing in on a trade that would send Johnson to the Yankees, Javier Vazquez and prospects Eric Duncan and Dioner Navarro to Los Angeles, and Shawn Green and pitchers Brad Penny and Yhency Brazoban to Arizona.

The trade was proposed before Adrian Beltre agreed to a $64 million, five-year deal with the Mariners on Thursday. By failing to re-sign Beltre, the Dodgers may rethink their role in the trade, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported.

Other issues that threatened to derail the trade include the waiving of Green's no-trade clause. A source close to Green told ESPN.com that the Dodgers outfielder is happy living in Southern California, where he grew up, and has expressed no desire to leave Los Angeles. How much money the Diamondbacks would receive from the Yankees is also a point of contention. Sources told Stark that moving Duncan and Navarro would preclude the Yankees from sending money to Arizona.

Another obstacle that reportedly would derail the trade is Vazquez's salary; he is due $34.5 million over the next three seasons and Los Angeles apparently wants help from the Yankees footing the bill.

There was no confirmation from any of the teams that a deal has been proposed. Johnson's agent, Barry Meister, declined comment when reached by ESPN.com.

"We're still in conversations with a lot of different clubs about a lot of different possibilities," Dodgers general manager Paul DePodesta said earlier Thursday. "We have talked about some three-way deals and some four-way deals.

"I don't know if it's going to happen or not," he said.

Both Johnson and Green have no-trade clauses. The Big Unit has desired a trade to the Yankees for months. Green's former agent is Jeff Moorad, who is the Diamondbacks' incoming CEO, so it's expected that Green, who is due $16 million in 2005, would approve the trade.

The Yankees also would be expected to sign Johnson to a contract extension if they acquire him. Johnson will make $16 million next season, the final year of his contract.

Johnson was a Montreal Expos second-round draft pick in 1985. He signed with Arizona on Dec. 10, 1998, and won the Cy Young Award in each of his first four seasons in the desert. He finished second to Houston's Roger Clemens in this year's voting. Johnson also won a Cy Young Award in Seattle, where he played from 1989-98.

Johnson finished with a 16-14 record in 2004, but he led the majors in strikeouts with 290 and was second in the majors with a 2.60 ERA despite coming off knee surgery. In a season in which Arizona lost a franchise-worst 111 games, Johnson pitched a perfect game, passed 4,000 career strikeouts and passed Steve Carlton to become the most prolific left-handed strikeout pitcher in history. He ranks No. 3 on the strikeout list behind Nolan Ryan and Clemens.

Green, 31, has a .282 career average but dipped to .266 last season with 28 home runs and 86 RBI.

Penny, 26, was traded from Florida to the Dodgers on July 30 but saw limited action for Los Angeles because of a problem in his right arm. He was 9-10 with a 3.15 ERA for both clubs.

Penny was selected in the fifth round of Arizona's initial free-agent draft in 1996 but never pitched for the Diamondbacks in the majors. He, right-hander Vladimir Nunez and outfielder Abraham Nunez (as a player to be named) were traded to Florida for closer Matt Mantei in July 1999.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


If indeed it comes down to whether or not Shawn Green waives his no-trade clause....I wonder what other players the Dodgers might be able to include to compensate for him..... Also, if Penny would pass his physical is another determining factor.... Lord...wish this would all come to an end.....
 

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Ok, so we somehow manage to trade Randy, increase the payroll, and add two injury-prone players all at the same time, not to mention the fact that we dont get a single prospect (unless Brazoban is still considered one).

:rolleyes:
 

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coyoteshockeyfan said:
Ok, so we somehow manage to trade Randy, increase the payroll, and add two injury-prone players all at the same time, not to mention the fact that we dont get a single prospect (unless Brazoban is still considered one).

:rolleyes:


Agreed, I would rather just keep randy, and add another decent starter. Plug in whoever at the rest of the positions, and we still would have a great chance in the NL West.
 

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Better hope Green or Johnson vetos this trade.

At least RJ is still putting up his usual numbers outside of wins, which is only because the DBacks offense is pathetic. Green is due the same $16 million that RJ gets in 2005, but Green hasn't done much of anything the last 2 years. Certainly not numbers that would justify paying him $16 million. Of course Moorad used to be his agent, so there's a slight conflict of interest in obtaining a player that is merely slightly above league average the last 2 seasons. Joe Jr will never catch on though since he's busy paying an oft injured 3rd baseman $54 million.

And then there's Penny. How can he even pass a physical?

"In 41 years of examining thousands of pitchers, Dr. Frank Jobe has never come across an injury like Brad Penny's.
Consequently, no one can be certain when Penny will pitch again. "If the bruise is on the outside of the nerve, it could take three to four weeks to recover," Jobe said. "If the bruise is on the inside, it could be a matter of months. But either way, he needs rest and must stretch out the arm with exercise. Not only have I never seen something like this, but it is so rare that there isn't even any [research] literature on it."
Source: Los Angeles Times

And this most recent update: "Nov. 18, 2004 - 7:26 p.m.
GM Paul DePodesta told MLB.com Penny, who injured a nerve in his arm, was back in LA to visit Dr. Frank Jobe but has not resumed throwing yet."

I hated to see Penny go when he was shipped off to the Marlins in the Mantei deal. He was my favorite minor leaguer in the DBacks system, but now he's just damaged goods with an injury they don't even know how to treat.

So the only decent player in the deal is Brazoban. Giving up Randy Johnson should've have gotten the DBacks more than the above.
 

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Indrid Cold said:
Better hope Green or Johnson vetos this trade.

I don't. I hope it goes through

At least RJ is still putting up his usual numbers outside of wins, which is only because the DBacks offense is pathetic. Green is due the same $16 million that RJ gets in 2005, but Green hasn't done much of anything the last 2 years. Certainly not numbers that would justify paying him $16 million. Of course Moorad used to be his agent, so there's a slight conflict of interest in obtaining a player that is merely slightly above league average the last 2 seasons. Joe Jr will never catch on though since he's busy paying an oft injured 3rd baseman $54 million.

Oft Injured? He's been injured twice. 2 years ago, he broke his leg (how often does that occur in a sport like baseball?). Last year, he hurt his shoulder but came back and was productive

And then there's Penny. How can he even pass a physical?

With a wink and a nod like Pedro

So the only decent player in the deal is Brazoban. Giving up Randy Johnson should've have gotten the DBacks more than the above.

Would you like to get more especially for possibly the most dominating LH starter of all time? Absolutely but you have to remember

A) Randy isn't coming back here after his contract expires if we trade him or not

and

B) He says he's only going to the Yankees. So you're stuck between a rock and a hard place because unless you like Javier Vasquez a great deal then you aren't getting much else

Welcome to reality. I'm sorry it sucks sometimes
 

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Evil Ash said:
IWelcome to reality. I'm sorry it sucks sometimes

a tad on the touchy side possibly?

remind me not to ever disagree with you...
 
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