Rob Housler TE Cards 3rd round pick

[jf-08]

what the ****?

Cards seriously pissing me off.

 

[Duckjake]

Because with the NFL draft EVERYONE IS AN EXPERT

I'm sure many of us would cringe on the players we were pimping in earlier drafts that ended up being nothing

Just like we cringe on the players the Cards actually drafted who ended up being nothing or playing for other teams.

There are more former Cardinal first round draft picks on other teams rosters than there are on ours.

 

[jf-08]

At least he is faster that our RB in the 2nd round.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Chris where are these ratings coming from? You're not googling NFL Gm's opinions you're googling people who run draft websites. The fact is NFL teams find kids they think are gems, and they don't tell Mel Kiper and others about it because they want to keep it quiet.

Name one draft site that had Tom Brady pegged as a future good QB let alone a HOF player. Name one that even mentioned Antonio Gates.

Scouts Inc, NFL.Com, and PFW

And yes there are a big gems late in rounds. I don't dislike the pick, I just wonder if a small school sleeper had to be taken in the third. It will be great to see a TE actually burn someone.

 

[slinslin]

Isn't it interesting that all everyone here on the board is far more educated on this player, and adamant that he should have never been drafted here, when my guess is none of you have ever seen this guy play? Doesn't that seem a bit unreasonable to anyone?

It would be nice if the crybabies turned off their computer for a week and come back when they drop the act.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

80 inches? WOW!

Maybe the Cards ARE bringing Scud back at QB and long wing spans are needed. If that's the case, what a great pick.

 

[Southpaw]

So we drafted a TE who was flexed into the slot consistently and played well enough to be second team All Sun Belt?

Awesome. I mean, it's not like we've drafted slot receivers in the 3rd round the last two drafts and gave a lot of playing time to a third slot WR named Max Komar last year.

Maybe the player turns out to be good, but we are talking about one of Ken Whisenhunts 3rd round picks.

LOL @ Russ comparing being redshirted at Michigan for a five-star recruit with being redshirted for Florida Atlantic.

LOL @ Wally for the comparison to the Miami kid who was playing basketball his whole college career except for one year.

Then you have completely missed the point. No one knew who Jimmy Graham was before the combine. Saints took him with the 3rd pick and the guy is tabbed as a future star. He was drafted because of his athleticism and not his resume.

Housler volunteered to red shirt.; It was not a coaching decision. It was his. He ended up putting on 30 lbs and learned the pro set offense as a scout QB. He reinvented himself. Sounds dedicated to me. Write him off if you want. It will be one helluva story if he succeeds.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I guess the good thing is Housler is faster than the RB we drafted in round 2.

 

[Southpaw]

BTW, FAU is not a small school. 28,000 students. Its football program is relatively new.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Atlantic_University

On campus stadium is under construction as we speak.

 

[Duckjake]

BTW, FAU is not a small school. 28,000 students. Its football program is relatively new.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Atlantic_University

On campus stadium is under construction as we speak.

Sam Acho had 3 sacks, a Forced Fumble and a recovery vs FAtl last year. Housler caught 2 TD passes in that game.

Let's get them both. Trade up RG!

 

[Russ Smith]

Maybe if you had a Cray.

Draft magazines maybe. In early 2000 most people didn't even know what a PC was.

So all that Y2K fear mongering was a fig newton of our imaginations?

 

[Russ Smith]

So we drafted a TE who was flexed into the slot consistently and played well enough to be second team All Sun Belt?

Awesome. I mean, it's not like we've drafted slot receivers in the 3rd round the last two drafts and gave a lot of playing time to a third slot WR named Max Komar last year.

Maybe the player turns out to be good, but we are talking about one of Ken Whisenhunts 3rd round picks.

LOL @ Russ comparing being redshirted at Michigan for a five-star recruit with being redshirted for Florida Atlantic.

LOL @ Wally for the comparison to the Miami kid who was playing basketball his whole college career except for one year.

Did you read the article? The kid VOLUNTEERED to redshirt so that they wouldn't lose their top 3 TE's in one year.

I don't know a thing about the kid but either do you, Wally is likely the only guy on this board who's ever seen the kid play.

I don't have any idea if he'll be good or not but I do know that this stuff about his draft grade is bunk, there is no draft grade that we have access too we have projections, from people who don't work for NFL teams.

 

[kerouac9]

Did you read the article? The kid VOLUNTEERED to redshirt so that they wouldn't lose their top 3 TE's in one year.

I don't know a thing about the kid but either do you, Wally is likely the only guy on this board who's ever seen the kid play.

I don't have any idea if he'll be good or not but I do know that this stuff about his draft grade is bunk, there is no draft grade that we have access too we have projections, from people who don't work for NFL teams.

That's all well and good, but we didn't need an NFL scout to tell us that Calvin Pace wasn't going to get the job done. We didn't need an NFL scout to tell us that Buster Davis was a terrible fit. We didn't need an NFL scout to question the drafting of Jorrick Calvin--a guy who didn't even play football last year. We didn't need an NFL Scout to tell us that Levi Brown wasn't deserving of the 5th overall pick in the draft.

The issue with saying, "We don't know as much as these guys in the draft room do," is that history has shown that the guys in the draft room don't know what they're doing. 9 of the 11 players on the defense last year were acquired by the current coaching and scouting staff. Do you need to be an NFL scout to evaluate that group?

NFL Scouts don't know any more than the well-informed fan. I'm certain of that. Listen to a former scout like Bill Williamson and it'll be clear that sometimes they know less than the well-informed fan. They don't have some special knowledge that makes their football acumen superior to someone who watches a lot of football--they just had the opportunity to pursue the career when others of us took different avenues.

P.S. Was that the same article where Max Hall got UDFA offers from five or six other teams, most of them for far more money than the Cards were offering?

 

[Russ Smith]

That's all well and good, but we didn't need an NFL scout to tell us that Calvin Pace wasn't going to get the job done. We didn't need an NFL scout to tell us that Buster Davis was a terrible fit. We didn't need an NFL scout to question the drafting of Jorrick Calvin--a guy who didn't even play football last year. We didn't need an NFL Scout to tell us that Levi Brown wasn't deserving of the 5th overall pick in the draft.

The issue with saying, "We don't know as much as these guys in the draft room do," is that history has shown that the guys in the draft room don't know what they're doing. 9 of the 11 players on the defense last year were acquired by the current coaching and scouting staff. Do you need to be an NFL scout to evaluate that group?

NFL Scouts don't know any more than the well-informed fan. I'm certain of that. Listen to a former scout like Bill Williamson and it'll be clear that sometimes they know less than the well-informed fan. They don't have some special knowledge that makes their football acumen superior to someone who watches a lot of football--they just had the opportunity to pursue the career when others of us took different avenues.

P.S. Was that the same article where Max Hall got UDFA offers from five or six other teams, most of them for far more money than the Cards were offering?

How many times have you seen Rob Housler play? I mean games not on Youtube or on ESPN last night, actual games.

Nobody is saying scouts don't make mistakes of course they do, the point is the complaints that this guy is a bad pick because some nfl draft site didn't have him graded as a 3rd rounder is totally speculative.

If this were a kid that we'd all seen on tv a lot I wouldn't be objecting to the comments here. My point is people are complaining about a kid they know nothing about.

I don't even have a problem with the people complaining we shouldn't have picked a TE, that's a defendable position. But complaining we picked Housler when they don't know Rob Housler from Rob Kardashian is what bothers me.

I loved the first pick, I like the 2nd pick, I don't know a thing about the 3rd pcik.

 

[ajcardfan]

You are bringing up two months ago? I can't believe you claim that no player who falls in the draft can ever be any good after watching Kurt Warner take us to a SB.

Guru Gosselin changes his predictions.

Unreal.

If you want ammunition you can look up his posts on Justin Houston and Von Miller from around the same time period.

 

[ajcardfan]

I loved the first pick, I like the 2nd pick, I don't know a thing about the 3rd pcik.

Yeah, but it did sting to see Ayers go immediately the 2nd round pick and Houston immediately after the 3rd round pick. Personally, I think both will be decent NFL pass rushers.

Drafting a RB, FB and TE is going to look pretty stupid if we fall behind by double digits every 1st half and revert to trying to throw the ball all over the place. while I understand they have some value as pass catchers, improving the run game had to be what was in mind.

 

[Pariah]

Even Kurt Warner on the NFL Network was questioning their 2nd and third round picks.

Let's not go overboard with our love of all things Warner. He was a phenomenal QB for us, but that doesn't mean his word is gospel.

 

[Russ Smith]

And the irony is we got the guy in the 4th round that people wanted us to take in the 3rd round(one of them).

 

[Krangodnzr]

If you want ammunition you can look up his posts on Justin Houston and Von Miller from around the same time period.

And I still don't like Von Miller that much; he fit what we needed/were looking for but I don't think he has the upside of Robert Quinn.

As for Justin Houston....I'm not Nostradamus here, no one knew he failed multiple drug tests. IMO he's a 1st round physical talent, 7th round smarts.

Doesn't change the fact that Duckjake was advocating taking a guy that is STILL available deep in the 7th round with #38 overall. And then after the combine was advocating taking a guy we got in the 4th round with the #38 overall.

 

[ajcardfan]

Doesn't change the fact that Duckjake was advocating taking a guy that is STILL available deep in the 7th round with #38 overall. And then after the combine was advocating taking a guy we got in the 4th round with the #38 overall.

Yeah, and it doesn't change the fact you slagged us for thinking Miller would be drafted before Houston. And, that you thought we were stupid for thinking Houston would be available in the second. Houston falls like a rock, and Miller winds up being rated in the top 1 to 3 players by most all the "experts".

So, you're not smarter than any of the rest of us. It's all guesswork by us. If we're right, it's due to luck and not much else.

 

[Zeno]

And I still don't like Von Miller that much; he fit what we needed/were looking for but I don't think he has the upside of Robert Quinn.

As for Justin Houston....I'm not Nostradamus here, no one knew he failed multiple drug tests. IMO he's a 1st round physical talent, 7th round smarts.

Doesn't change the fact that Duckjake was advocating taking a guy that is STILL available deep in the 7th round with #38 overall. And then after the combine was advocating taking a guy we got in the 4th round with the #38 overall.

I am sure you were 100% on all your choices through the years...pretty arrogant if you ask me.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I am sure you were 100% on all your choices through the years...pretty arrogant if you ask me.

Did I say I was 100% on my choices? I'm just reacting to people on this board freaking out because we didn't draft so and so in the second round and they were available 2 rounds late.

I think we had a pretty good draft overall.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Yeah, and it doesn't change the fact you slagged us for thinking Miller would be drafted before Houston.

Did I? Or did I say I liked Houston better? I seem to remember saying that I preferred Houston and that I didn't like Miller. I'm sticking to the prediction that Miller will be ok, but not great.

Houston obviously failed two drug tests that no one knew about until a few weeks ago. But based on game film I'd take Houston before I'd take Miller.

And, that you thought we were stupid for thinking Houston would be available in the second. Houston falls like a rock, and Miller winds up being rated in the top 1 to 3 players by most all the "experts".

Did I ever say you were stupid? I think you're misattributing what I've said and getting all emotional over this topic. I believed Houston would go in the first round and I still think he would have if not for failed drug tests.

So, you're not smarter than any of the rest of us. It's all guesswork by us. If we're right, it's due to luck and not much else.

Never said I was. I have my opinion, you have yours. I'm just not going to get all butthurt over others opinions.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I have my opinion, you have yours.

I think we still should have drafted Suggs instead Leftwich back in '03. I agrued, and argued, and argued for it...and then we traded down.

I think that was the last time I really looked at the draft as something to get worked up over.

No real point here I suppose...just thought I'd share.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think we still should have drafted Suggs instead Leftwich back in '03. I agrued, and argued, and argued for it...and then we traded down.

I think that was the last time I really looked at the draft as something to get worked up over.

No real point here I suppose...just thought I'd share.

It's a great point actually. I liked them both; Heck I still do even though Leftwich will never be a good starting QB, he'd be a huge upgrade from Derrick Anderson.