Rob Housler TE Cards 3rd round pick

[clif]

I just don't see how you, me, or anyone else can make the decision that this has been a terrible draft at this stage. How do you know for sure?

I never said that. I said I was extremely dissappointed in the drafting of a player at an under used position. For four years we have heard this team talk about how important the TE is and watch as they have drafted and signed numerous players to fill the role only to watch on Sunday as we get absolutely no production out of the position. I can recall two (2) plays our TE's have made over the last 4 years. The catch by Spach against Atlanta and the catch in the endzone in the SuperBowl by Patrick.

Meanwhile we have a GAPING hole at QB and depending on how the CBA goes we might be without our starting guards, center, and #2 wide receiver.

 

[Duckjake]

Steve Breaston
Tim Hightower
DRC
Calais Campbell
Greg Toler
LSH
Dan Williams
Daryl Washington
Andre Roberts
Obrien Schofield

That whole list has shown to be NFL talent. Many from small schools and are still developing. But appear to be well on their way to decent careers.

In time, for other teams. We just drafted a guy to replace Tolar. We just drafted a guy to replace Hightower. You yourself claim DRC sucked last season. Breaston won't be re signed. Neither will Campbell.

Most of the other guys are 1st or 2nd year players and considering they were an integral part of one of the worst Cardinal teams in 20 years I wouldn't be too keen on their ability.

Where's that NFC Championship Video I took? It's going to be a long pre season.

 

[ARodg]

So realistically, if I would have said, "The Cards will end Day 2 with a CB, RB, and a TE."

What would you have said?

 

[CtCardinals78]

Levi Brown not lived up to the HYPE but still went to a freaking SB with him manning down the right side. I'll take it.

Rashad Johnson is actually looking like he may just be coming around.

Iwebema and Doucett have shown flashes but just cannot stay healthy much like Beanie.

Plus are you really gonna hold Beanie against him when you and EVERYONE else thought it was the steal of the entire draft?

I could make lists of jsut about as many failures for just about any team in the NFL I'm betting.

No, I am going to hold Beanie against him because I don't think he has been able to get the most out of him, just like every first round pick he has selected so far. Iwebema is a great ST player, when healthy.

How many freaking players, better yet projects has Whiz taken a chance on in the draft that had question marks next to them with injuries?
Schofield, Ali Highsmith, Beanie Wells, Ryan Williams, I believe Iwebema or Harrington was injured too IIRC.

Great, they went to the Super Bowl with Levi Brown. They also passed on elite players to select a guy who contributed to a Super Bowl run that can't do jack now. No, I won't take that.

 

[CtCardinals78]

You can play this game with every team in the NFL

Yup, but how many of them are perennial losers?

 

[bg7brd]

So realistically, if I would have said, "The Cards will end Day 2 with a CB, RB, and a TE."

What would you have said?

I would have said "interesting, not what I would have thought but what do I know".

 

[PJ1]

They like being miserable. They are the 5 year olds you see in the candy store who wont get what they want from their parents.

Really just offering opinions on a message board. You are actually the one insulting people when they don't agree with you. To some it doesn't matter what the Cardinals do as anything is ok. Others feel differently.

 

[Duckjake]

Levi Brown not lived up to the HYPE but still went to a freaking SB with him manning down the right side. I'll take it.

Rashad Johnson is actually looking like he may just be coming around.

Iwebema and Doucett have shown flashes but just cannot stay healthy much like Beanie.

Plus are you really gonna hold Beanie against him when you and EVERYONE else thought it was the steal of the entire draft?

I could make lists of jsut about as many failures for just about any team in the NFL I'm betting.

Dang how did the Cards ever go 5-11 and finish almost dead last in every statistical category last year with all those studs on the team?

Looks to me like the Cards are once again taking guys too high that they don't need so they can low ball them in contract negotiations.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm fine with drafting a RB in the second.

This pick makes no sense here. A one dimensional TE from a second rate school? Am I missing something.

 

[john h]

Justin Houston AND Martez Wilson fall to you, and THIS is the pick? An "un-willing run blocker who doesn't have the strength to block in the running game". Right after you draft a running back.

How does Steve Kiem still have a job?

A RB that is often injured---

 

[Goldfield]

I would have said "interesting, not what I would have thought but what do I know".

Agreed.

The TE is an odd pick. I also would understand it more if it was 4th round or so. But I am not going to sit here and act like an idiot and call the guy an "a-hole".

 

[Russ Smith]

They have always said that they take a modified BPA approach. Under that scenario you take the BPA with consideration for position. Everybody and their mama had Ryan Mallet at or near the top of the list with regards to Best remaining (at a position of enormous need) and we pass him up to take a player at a position that is rarely if ever used by this staff. Even after they drafted yet another TE.

Clif are you forgetting that Ryan Mallett admitted to multiple NFL teams that he used drugs in college?

I would almost bet he was completely off the Cards board for that one reason.

They don't like to take kids who have that sort of issue, especially at QB.

 

[Stout]

I'm in meltdown mode over Williams, I won't lie. For the most part, that's because there were players there at a position of immediate need that I feel would have immediately improved our defense. I'm also seething in fury over how idiotic our staff is (see guys, no fumbles!). Otherwise, I don't mind having the kid on the roster. I still absolutely hate the pick, but might be brought around about having the kid on the team.

As far as this pick, well, of course I hate it. I hate the pick, but not the player. Earlier in the week the NFL Network crew was talking about him as a late-round sleeper, a very raw developmental project with a high ceiling. Sure, I love having a guy like that on our roster, absolutely, and at a position of some need.

But in the THIRD ROUND? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Well, we're the ones that jinxed the war room, giving them so many props for the PP7 pick. It all went to their head, apparently

 

[Russ Smith]

You have to look at the perponderance of evidence and take an educated guess. Almost universally you would find him as a 5th to 6th round grade due to being from a small school.

So it would appear (though certainly no guarantee) that he could have been had in the 4th.

The key to a successful draft is maximizing your picks. You want to get high end talent across the board. That is why guys slide who are successful in the NFL despite being 5th round and later.

Chris where are these ratings coming from? You're not googling NFL Gm's opinions you're googling people who run draft websites. The fact is NFL teams find kids they think are gems, and they don't tell Mel Kiper and others about it because they want to keep it quiet.

Name one draft site that had Tom Brady pegged as a future good QB let alone a HOF player. Name one that even mentioned Antonio Gates.

 

[Duckjake]

Chris where are these ratings coming from? You're not googling NFL Gm's opinions you're googling people who run draft websites. The fact is NFL teams find kids they think are gems, and they don't tell Mel Kiper and others about it because they want to keep it quiet.

Name one draft site that had Tom Brady pegged as a future good QB let alone a HOF player. Name one that even mentioned Antonio Gates.

There weren't any draft sites back then.

 

[MadCardDisease]

So I watched some videos of this kid and he does have upside but why take him early in the thrid. Come on Graves. Work the phones and move back a couple of slots and pick up a few extras along the way. You could have had this guy later in the third and he probably would have been there in the fourth.

 

[vince56]

In 2000? Yes there were.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I dunno, I loved the Leonard Pope pick and then saw how that worked out...maybe this is reverse...it could work out for all I know

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I dunno, I loved the Leonard Pope pick and then saw how that worked out...maybe this is reverse...it could work out for all I know

Good point. Pope was a 6'8" TE of the future for the Cards. Well, not so much. I'd be interested in seeing some of the posts related to that pick - I'm probably guilty too....

 

[Russ Smith]

There weren't any draft sites back then.

Yes there were, Kiper has been doing this for ages, others have been copying him.

Brady couldn't win the starting job in college and they considered redshirting him midway through his college career too.

Hell some idiots thought the best QB on that roster was Drew Henson, not me of course.

I just don't see how people can be so upset about a kid most of them have never seen except on youtube.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

So I watched some videos of this kid and he does have upside but why take him early in the thrid. Come on Graves. Work the phones and move back a couple of slots and pick up a few extras along the way. You could have had this guy later in the third and he probably would have been there in the fourth.

If by "later in the third" you mean the seventh.. then yeah, I agree.

 

[Evil Ash]

Yes there were, Kiper has been doing this for ages, others have been copying him.

Brady couldn't win the starting job in college and they considered redshirting him midway through his college career too.

Hell some idiots thought the best QB on that roster was Drew Henson, not me of course.

I just don't see how people can be so upset about a kid most of them have never seen except on youtube.

Because with the NFL draft EVERYONE IS AN EXPERT

I'm sure many of us would cringe on the players we were pimping in earlier drafts that ended up being nothing

 

[MadCardDisease]

I don't know, this kid looks really thin for a TE. He is one dimensional at best. I'm not liking the value of this pick at all. Draft projects after the 3rd.

 

[Duckjake]

Yes there were, Kiper has been doing this for ages, others have been copying him.

Brady couldn't win the starting job in college and they considered redshirting him midway through his college career too.

Hell some idiots thought the best QB on that roster was Drew Henson, not me of course.

I just don't see how people can be so upset about a kid most of them have never seen except on youtube.

Maybe if you had a Cray.

Draft magazines maybe. In early 2000 most people didn't even know what a PC was.

 

[kerouac9]

So we drafted a TE who was flexed into the slot consistently and played well enough to be second team All Sun Belt?

Awesome. I mean, it's not like we've drafted slot receivers in the 3rd round the last two drafts and gave a lot of playing time to a third slot WR named Max Komar last year.

Maybe the player turns out to be good, but we are talking about one of Ken Whisenhunts 3rd round picks.

LOL @ Russ comparing being redshirted at Michigan for a five-star recruit with being redshirted for Florida Atlantic.

LOL @ Wally for the comparison to the Miami kid who was playing basketball his whole college career except for one year.