Robert Sarver is in Big Trouble (ANNOUNCES SALE PROCESS)

[Mainstreet]

Because it isn't there and without proof this is a whole lot of nothing

Yeah, I didn't even want to link it.

 

[Raindog]

Word around the interwebs is that Sarver called DA a “Lazy N-word”

I saw elsewhere that allegation was attributed to Jalen Rose.

Which, if it has any proof behind it... well, if Ayton had any plans of resigning here prior, I would guess that ship is about to sail.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I saw elsewhere that allegation was attributed to Jalen Rose.

Which, if it has any proof behind it... well, if Ayton had any plans of resigning here prior, I would guess that ship is about to sail.

I watched part of the pregame show today and he mentioned it, but he threw it out there casually. It wasn't clear (at least to me) whether he knew this was actually true or not.

 

[Chaplin]

Jalen Rose is also a disgruntled former employee. How would he even know that?

 

[Mainstreet]

There is so much drama around the NBA.

Luckily other teams and players will not allow the Suns to dominate the headlines.

 

[elindholm]

I’m honestly shocked that some of you believe that to be acceptable behavior.

In my original post on this topic -- which you apparently either didn't read or have already forgotten -- I wrote, "You can say that Sarver shouldn't do it because he's an owner and not a player, but in that particular case it would be just another example of him not respecting owner/employee boundaries, not a sexual harrassment issue."

So, let's make it simple: If one athlete slaps another on the ass, is it sexual harrassment? How about when coaches do it to their players?

 

[Mainstreet]

Context and relationships are everything in regard to physical contact or even paying a women a compliment. Actually some women like to hug. There are a lot of people who like to have physical contact. Some of it may be cultural. It's more about who they are as a person and whether that is appropriate behavior in that environment.

I do agree if you don't know the person well and it's a work environment it's best to avoid it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

That’s fair. Monty also probably isn’t involved day to day in the corporate part of the Suns. I’m guessing his view of Sarver and others within the larger framework of the entire franchise might be a little limited. James Jones probably has a more expansive view though.

I bet Larry is barely there enough to see the day to day though. Could be wrong there.

From what I've heard, Monty hasn't exactly defended or repudiated him. He basically is saying he hasn't really seen it. Monty is probably a lot more focused on the player side of things and doesn't mix it up on the business end.

I doubt Larry hangs out at Suns facilities all of the time.

 

[Raindog]

In my original post on this topic -- which you apparently either didn't read or have already forgotten -- I wrote, "You can say that Sarver shouldn't do it because he's an owner and not a player, but in that particular case it would be just another example of him not respecting owner/employee boundaries, not a sexual harrassment issue."

So, let's make it simple: If one athlete slaps another on the ass, is it sexual harrassment? How about when coaches do it to their players?

Honestly, I think the cultural climate where it's acceptable for anyone to slap anyone else on the rear end, whether male or female, is pretty much over by now. Increasingly, that kind of contact between two people who are not intimately familiar with one and other, even if it is a tradition within the male sports environment, is at high risk of getting someone in some level of legal trouble these days. Everyone would do well to err on the side of avoiding it in every setting given the evolving social climate.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In my original post on this topic -- which you apparently either didn't read or have already forgotten -- I wrote, "You can say that Sarver shouldn't do it because he's an owner and not a player, but in that particular case it would be just another example of him not respecting owner/employee boundaries, not a sexual harrassment issue."

So, let's make it simple: If one athlete slaps another on the ass, is it sexual harrassment? How about when coaches do it to their players?

A) in today’s world, yeah it’s probably sexual harassment when any coworker does it. You have to stop thinking sports doesn’t play by other employment rules. That’s archaic thinking.
B) when a superior does it - you bet your backside it’s harassment. Disparity in power is scrutinized greatly.
C) man on woman? Where have you been living the last decade?

 

[Krangodnzr]

A) in today’s world, yeah it’s probably sexual harassment when any coworker does it. You have to stop thinking sports doesn’t play by other employment rules. That’s archaic thinking.
B) when a superior does it - you bet your backside it’s harassment. Disparity in power is scrutinized greatly.
C) man on woman? Where have you been living the last decade?

I think the butt slapping validates most of the other accusations. It not only shows incredibly poor judgement, but it also shows that he doesn't give a hoot about boundaries.

Sarver is a damn caveman in a time where that behavior is completely unacceptable.

 

[elindholm]

A) in today’s world, yeah it’s probably sexual harassment when any coworker does it. You have to stop thinking sports doesn’t play by other employment rules. That’s archaic thinking.
B) when a superior does it - you bet your backside it’s harassment. Disparity in power is scrutinized greatly.
C) man on woman? Where have you been living the last decade?

A. In the other part of my original post that you didn't read or understand, I wrote "Isn't ass-slapping still a part of sports culture? I feel like I see it from players all the time, but maybe it has stopped and I haven't noticed [emphasis added]. Don't volleyball players do it after every point?" It was an honest question. I'm not "thinking sports doesn't play by other employment rules." I acknowledged that it's not an issue I pay a lot of attention to, and I asked for information.

B. Yes, this is what I already said. It's a violation of boss/employee boundaries. Can you please read what I actually write?

C. So you're privileging heteronormativity? Where I've been living the last decade, that's a no-no.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

A. In the other part of my original post that you didn't read or understand, I wrote "Isn't ass-slapping still a part of sports culture? I feel like I see it from players all the time, but maybe it has stopped and I haven't noticed [emphasis added]. Don't volleyball players do it after every point?" It was an honest question. I'm not "thinking sports doesn't play by other employment rules." I acknowledged that it's not an issue I pay a lot of attention to, and I asked for information.

B. Yes, this is what I already said. It's a violation of boss/employee boundaries. Can you please read what I actually write?

C. So you're privileging heteronormativity? Where I've been living the last decade, that's a no-no.

A. In this very paragraph it feels like you’re trying to claim you want to understand and yet still defending it bringing up volleyball. I dunno man, there seems an awful lot of experience out there to draw from to understand where the weight of this issue lies.

B. This alone should be enough to avoid even delving into A, no?

C. I made exactly ZERO comment on other interactions. I just pointed out that the ones like this have been most prevalent in the press and lawsuits. Hence the where have you been living comment. You’re making illogical leaps in an attempt to “gotcha.” I am supportive of all gender identities and the sanctity of their bodies from unwanted contact.

 

[Mainstreet]

Sarver is a damn caveman in a time where that behavior is completely unacceptable.

I think your analogy is pretty close in explaing behavior based on different eras of time. There will always be people out of step with current norms.

 

[Finito]

Amin was talking about how awkward Sarver is in person and how just has no clue how to act around people. His dad was a billionaire he’s had money his whole life and not a little bit of money either.

He kind of said Sarver wasn’t a hateful guy just a clueless bafoon who thinks he’s one of the guys.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Amin was talking about how awkward Sarver is in person and how just has no clue how to act around people. His dad was a billionaire he’s had money his whole life and not a little bit of money either.

He kind of said Sarver wasn’t a hateful guy just a clueless bafoon who thinks he’s one of the guys.

I would say he WANTS to be one of the guys but has no clue how human beings truly interact.

 

[Finito]

Jalen Rose is also a disgruntled former employee. How would he even know that?

This whole thing of oh you can’t trust that guy he had a bad experience here stuff is so BS

There were plenty of people who had no problems with guys like Weinstein or Sterling but I guess we should only listen to them right you can’t trust someone who had a bad experience.

I just don’t get how someone thinks that.

 

[Finito]

I don’t think this effects him at all in the end

 

[elindholm]

A. In this very paragraph it feels like you’re trying to claim you want to understand and yet still defending it bringing up volleyball. I dunno man, there seems an awful lot of experience out there to draw from to understand where the weight of this issue lies.

Huh? Does it happen in volleyball or not? (I think it does, but I'm not sure.) Is volleyball unique? (I doubt it, but maybe it is.) I'm not "defending" ass slapping. I'm wondering how prevalent it continues to be in certain subcultures.

B. This alone should be enough to avoid even delving into A, no?

No. Not all forms of harrassment or discrimination are the same. For example, no one yet has brought up race, even though we're talking about a white owner slapping a black player's ass. Maybe there are those who think it is a racial issue, but that's a different conversation.

The argument isn't whether it's wrong. It's why and how it's wrong. Why and how matter. If you want to say that slapping a female's ass is automatically sexual harrassment, you need to explain why it's not automatically sexual harrassment when the ass belong to a male. And if you acknowledge that it is harrassment when the victim is male, then I'll have to assume that all ass-slapping has been eradicated from team sports, because otherwise conscientious people would be complaining about this a lot more regularly.

I am supportive of all gender identities and the sanctity of their bodies from unwanted contact.

So if a male athlete slaps his male teammate on the ass, is that sexual harrassment or not?

 

[Finito]

Huh? Does it happen in volleyball or not? (I think it does, but I'm not sure.) Is volleyball unique? (I doubt it, but maybe it is.) I'm not "defending" ass slapping. I'm wondering how prevalent it continues to be in certain subcultures.




No. Not all forms of harrassment or discrimination are the same. For example, no one yet has brought up race, even though we're talking about a white owner slapping a black player's ass. Maybe there are those who think it is a racial issue, but that's a different conversation.

The argument isn't whether it's wrong. It's why and how it's wrong. Why and how matter. If you want to say that slapping a female's ass is automatically sexual harrassment, you need to explain why it's not automatically sexual harrassment when the ass belong to a male. And if you acknowledge that it is harrassment when the victim is male, then I'll have to assume that all ass-slapping has been eradicated from team sports, because otherwise conscientious people would be complaining about this a lot more regularly.



So if a male athlete slaps his male teammate on the ass, is that sexual harrassment or not?

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[Hoop Head]

Apparently Baxter Holmes (author of ESPN article) was on the Lowe Post podcast. Haven't listened yet but here's a link for anyone interested. I know he does discuss this issue but Im not sure if he reveals anything new or substantial.

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[Cheesebeef]

Listening to Raja on the NBA Show on the ringer. Says he never saw blatant racism from Sarver but describes him as a piece of human garbage for multiple incidents involving himself and his wife and isn’t surprised at all by the allegations.

 

[overseascardfan]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are video or audio recordings of Sarver out there. If he did this on the regular then someone could easily have recorded his remarks on their phones. That is if they cared enough to do so.

 

[Chaplin]

This whole thing of oh you can’t trust that guy he had a bad experience here stuff is so BS

There were plenty of people who had no problems with guys like Weinstein or Sterling but I guess we should only listen to them right you can’t trust someone who had a bad experience.

I just don’t get how someone thinks that.

How you can discount bias without consideration is not how due process works. But you do you.

 

[TJ]

Hard to discount the validity of this story when 70+ people attest to the same appalling behavior. If it’s all false, it’s one of the greatest hit jobs in history.