Rodney Hudson Covid 19 list

[Russ Smith]

It's definitely Omicron. Delta didn't just start beating vaccines at this rate.

Well the CDC isn't just throwing darts at a board when they say 3% of the cases are Omicron in the US right now.

Again part of the problem the NFL has is that they don't actually know their vaccination rate because it appears lots of players probably lied.

add in that NFL players are in close contact as part of their job pretty regularly, in meetings etc and until yesterday they weren't required to wear a mask if they were vaccinated(or said they were) and we just had Thanksgiving, and this is no surprise.

The daily cases for the US right now are still under 200K, the peak number was 300K in January, so we're not yet seeing this dramatic rise in cases due to Omicron that other countries are. My guess is the jump in the NFL is related to Thanksgiving and players getting out of their "bubbles" and the coming back to the team and being around each other without masks.

If you do the math and follow what they know so far, by the end of December Omicron will be the dominant variant here and the daily cases will probably exceed 300 and might be pushing 400K.

Hopefully the trend continues with Omicron being much less serious though, S Africa 1.7% hospitalization rate etc.

On the UCLA hoops board I'm on we're having the same debate we had in March 2020 when they were complaining about Covid and I said there's not going to be an NCAA tournament anyways it's just a matter of time. I was told I was nuts, 2 days later they shut it down. The same people now are telling me I'm nuts suggesting they should take a 2 week pause and get all the teams boostered and healthy again. When UCLA cancelled the Alabama State game I said that won't be the only one we won't play UNC on Saturday. It's just obvious you can see the way it's going.

The NFL is a much more insulated league they have a much more realistic chance of keeping the season if they do the right thing. NCAA hoops very difficult to do college kids, all that travel etc going to be much harder and right now it depends what state you live in as to how you approach it. California teams like UCLA are shutting down for 1-2 players, rest of the country isn't.

 

[Shane]

@Russ Smith

i don’t understand the talking point of “their must be a lot of people lying about their vac status due to the recent spike” it’s well known and documented that the Vaxed can still get it and likewise spread it. Some of the studies have shown that the viral load can be the same or higher even in a vaxed person. Yes they may not get as sick and the vax does save lives. But stopping the spread not so much.

 

[Russ Smith]

@Russ Smith

i don’t understand the talking point of “their must be a lot of people lying about their vac status due to the recent spike” it’s well known and documented that the Vaxed can still get it and likewise spread it. Some of the studies have shown that the viral load can be the same or higher even in a vaxed person. Yes they may not get as sick and the vax does save lives. But stopping the spread not so much.

Sure but the point is the NFL already got tipped off after the Antonio Brown case that they had players who had done the same thing. Now suddenly they have this big surge after Thanksgiving. yes it could all be vaccinated players, if 95% of the NFL is vaccinated then most of the cases will be vaccinated players. But if that number is really only 80%, then the surge makes more sense.

This article is from a few days ago it's about a French doctor who claimed on air that triple vaccinated people are more likely to get Omicron than unvaccinated based on a Danish study. It goes into detail debunking that and explains the actual data from the Danish study says unvaccinated people are 4 times as likely to get Omicron as vaccinated people are.

Are triple-vaccinated people more likely to be infected by the Omicron variant than the unvaccinated?

You may not have heard of Blachier, but in France TV viewers are as familiar with his face as we are here with Dr. Fauci’s. And he caused the COVID pot to boil over a couple of days ago when he supposedly claimed that data from Denmark show that people who are triple vaccinated are more likely...

www.mcgill.ca

So is it true vaccinated players can get and spread it, absolutely. But the sheer numbers in the NFL right now, go WAY beyond what the general population is seeing so far. The reason is likely because they're in close contact, weren't wearing masks, just came back from Thanksgiving. And the reason they weren't wearing masks is if they claimed they were vaccinated, even if they were lying, they weren't required to mask.

The surge supports the belief that there's lots more players than Brown lying about their vaccine status. It doesn't PROVE it, but it supports it. now if they came out tomorrow and said 90% of these NFL cases are Omicron then I'd retract that.

 

[ajcardfan]

It's way too early to be making broad statements about Omicron. Limited data can lead to stupid conclusions. Like "kids don't spread Covid".

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

@Russ Smith

i don’t understand the talking point of “their must be a lot of people lying about their vac status due to the recent spike” it’s well known and documented that the Vaxed can still get it and likewise spread it. Some of the studies have shown that the viral load can be the same or higher even in a vaxed person. Yes they may not get as sick and the vax does save lives. But stopping the spread not so much.

This is false news. The vaccinated can still get it but not at the same rate. I don’t understand why this point is so difficult for so many to understand.

 

[ajcardfan]

This is false news. The vaccinated can still get it but not at the same rate. I don’t understand why this point is so difficult for so many to understand.

And, if someone is sick for a shorter amount of time then smaller window for virus to spread.

 

[Shane]

This is false news. The vaccinated can still get it but not at the same rate. I don’t understand why this point is so difficult for so many to understand.

I guess it depends on which studies you want to believe and what your trust of science is.

COVID vaccines cut the risk of transmitting Delta — but not for long

People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta.

www.nature.com

This clearly says that after 3 months of vax. You are much more likely to spread Delta at a much higher rate. Well we are over 6 months into the season when you count training camp.

It also says that when you first catch it the virus load are pretty identical and like AJ said above the load drops quicker then unvaccinated. So why yes their window for spread may be smaller(until the 3 month + mark and the first week of infection). The ability to spread initially is just as high no?

When you’re a sports team and flying together, in meetings together, on the field together. I’m not sure the ability to spread for shorter period of time makes much difference amongst teammates and coaches. Especially when if vaccinated your not required to wear masks etc…

Bottom line is I’m not necessarily convinced that this is happening because there is a slew of players that lied or have fake vax cards. This spread could easily happen vaxed or not.

 

[Ronin]

So I'm guessing nobody else on the team caught it? Too soon?

 

[Shane]

So I'm guessing nobody else on the team caught it? Too soon?

Jesus Ronin

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jesus Ronin

Seriously!

 

[Ronin]

I was really asking a question.

Even though it didn't end up sounding like it.lol

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I guess it depends on which studies you want to believe and what your trust of science is.

COVID vaccines cut the risk of transmitting Delta — but not for long

People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta.

www.nature.com

This clearly says that after 3 months of vax. You are much more likely to spread Delta at a much higher rate. Well we are over 6 months into the season when you count training camp.

It also says that when you first catch it the virus load are pretty identical and like AJ said above the load drops quicker then unvaccinated. So why yes their window for spread may be smaller(until the 3 month + mark and the first week of infection). The ability to spread initially is just as high no?

When you’re a sports team and flying together, in meetings together, on the field together. I’m not sure the ability to spread for shorter period of time makes much difference amongst teammates and coaches. Especially when if vaccinated your not required to wear masks etc…

Bottom line is I’m not necessarily convinced that this is happening because there is a slew of players that lied or have fake vax cards. This spread could easily happen vaxed or not.

You’re ignoring the biggest impact of the vaccine. It cuts down on the percent of people that get it period. Doesn’t matter how transmittable you are if you don’t catch it in the first place. So let’s be clear:

Vaccines:

Cut down in the percentage of people who catch it;

And

Provide a period of time where further transmittal is unlikely

Those two combine to probably lower the transmittal rate exponentially.

Personally my thought on the fake vax cards: professional athletes have never shown a high level of ethics in terms of refraining from cheating. I’m inclined to believe the fake vax cards are much higher than you believe.

Also this: transmittal doesn’t depend on how much you trust science. The latter just makes one an idiot if they don’t.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I didn't catch all of it but there was a caller on NFL radio talking about what this means for betting line and sooner or later someone will accept a huge payoff and leak the covid list to a gambler before it's announced to the media. Payer can get his bets down before the team releases it. Ginormous implications for sports world. Says it's a matter of when, not if.

With the new partnership with legal sports betting the casino managing bookmakers are getting the info first on injuries and illness.

 

[BritCard]

Well the CDC isn't just throwing darts at a board when they say 3% of the cases are Omicron in the US right now.

Again part of the problem the NFL has is that they don't actually know their vaccination rate because it appears lots of players probably lied.

add in that NFL players are in close contact as part of their job pretty regularly, in meetings etc and until yesterday they weren't required to wear a mask if they were vaccinated(or said they were) and we just had Thanksgiving, and this is no surprise.

The daily cases for the US right now are still under 200K, the peak number was 300K in January, so we're not yet seeing this dramatic rise in cases due to Omicron that other countries are. My guess is the jump in the NFL is related to Thanksgiving and players getting out of their "bubbles" and the coming back to the team and being around each other without masks.

If you do the math and follow what they know so far, by the end of December Omicron will be the dominant variant here and the daily cases will probably exceed 300 and might be pushing 400K.

Hopefully the trend continues with Omicron being much less serious though, S Africa 1.7% hospitalization rate etc.

On the UCLA hoops board I'm on we're having the same debate we had in March 2020 when they were complaining about Covid and I said there's not going to be an NCAA tournament anyways it's just a matter of time. I was told I was nuts, 2 days later they shut it down. The same people now are telling me I'm nuts suggesting they should take a 2 week pause and get all the teams boostered and healthy again. When UCLA cancelled the Alabama State game I said that won't be the only one we won't play UNC on Saturday. It's just obvious you can see the way it's going.

The NFL is a much more insulated league they have a much more realistic chance of keeping the season if they do the right thing. NCAA hoops very difficult to do college kids, all that travel etc going to be much harder and right now it depends what state you live in as to how you approach it. California teams like UCLA are shutting down for 1-2 players, rest of the country isn't.

FYI David Sills, the NFL Chief Medical Officer has said that this surge is due to Omicron and that most players were fully vaxxed.

I think Omicron is everywhere, far more so than thought, and it's just much milder. Sills said 2/3's of all players recently on the list were asymptomatic. Only picked up by regular testing.

 

[ajcardfan]

FYI David Sills, the NFL Chief Medical Officer has said that this surge is due to Omicron and that most players were fully vaxxed.

I think Omicron is everywhere, far more so than thought, and it's just much milder. Sills said 2/3's of all players recently on the list were asymptomatic. Only picked up by regular testing.

This could be one of milder strains that everyone (at least those who paid enough attention in school) predicted Natural Selection would eventually favor. Evolution -friend, enemy- it's both and it doesn't give a **** what anyone believes about it.

 

[Russ Smith]

FYI David Sills, the NFL Chief Medical Officer has said that this surge is due to Omicron and that most players were fully vaxxed.

I think Omicron is everywhere, far more so than thought, and it's just much milder. Sills said 2/3's of all players recently on the list were asymptomatic. Only picked up by regular testing.

That is certainly the hope if it's far milder and is dominant, it can help "end" the pandemic.

HEre's what I found from Googling Sills

"The first of those is, I think, Omicron. I think that the data is very clear. We've isolated several cases of Omicron in our NFL cases. That takes a little time. It doesn't happen instantaneously, but we already have some early signal in from more than one club. I think the data would suggest to us that this variant is going to take over and become the dominant variant in our country very quickly. So, I think that's a driving factor.
I think secondly, immunity is going down. We're seeing waning immunity and I'll share with you a little bit more on that point in just a minute. Then I think also seasonal variation. We know as physicians all upper-respiratory illnesses tend be worse in the wintertime."

Several cases is not the same as it's due to Omicron although he did say that's one of the factors.

The third factor it's hard to know what he was saying but it goes back to my comments about actual vaccination rate. He says the recent surge is much bigger in players than in staff even though there's more staff than players. So the players are getting Covid at a much higher pace than the staff is so it's got something to do with behavior etc of the players as compared to staff. So maybe players aren't following rules staff are, but also maybe staff actually really is 95% vaccinated and the players weren't as PFT reported.

He also says 572 members of the nFL, I assume players and staff, were tested for immunity levels, they volunteered and it showed significant portions of the NFL had very low levels of immunity, or none, suggesting they needed boosters, and also the none suggests they weren't actually vaccinated.

 

[BritCard]

That is certainly the hope if it's far milder and is dominant, it can help "end" the pandemic.

HEre's what I found from Googling Sills

"The first of those is, I think, Omicron. I think that the data is very clear. We've isolated several cases of Omicron in our NFL cases. That takes a little time. It doesn't happen instantaneously, but we already have some early signal in from more than one club. I think the data would suggest to us that this variant is going to take over and become the dominant variant in our country very quickly. So, I think that's a driving factor.
I think secondly, immunity is going down. We're seeing waning immunity and I'll share with you a little bit more on that point in just a minute. Then I think also seasonal variation. We know as physicians all upper-respiratory illnesses tend be worse in the wintertime."

Several cases is not the same as it's due to Omicron although he did say that's one of the factors.

The third factor it's hard to know what he was saying but it goes back to my comments about actual vaccination rate. He says the recent surge is much bigger in players than in staff even though there's more staff than players. So the players are getting Covid at a much higher pace than the staff is so it's got something to do with behavior etc of the players as compared to staff. So maybe players aren't following rules staff are, but also maybe staff actually really is 95% vaccinated and the players weren't as PFT reported.

He also says 572 members of the nFL, I assume players and staff, were tested for immunity levels, they volunteered and it showed significant portions of the NFL had very low levels of immunity, or none, suggesting they needed boosters, and also the none suggests they weren't actually vaccinated.

He simply meant they haven't genome typed most of them yet I think.

You can tell its Omicron by its nature. Breezes through doubled jabbed defenses. Spreads much easier which is why team outbreaks are much high. And high percentage of asymptomatic and mild cases.

WFT said 21 of 23 players could have practiced.

I'd bet by last dollar 90% of this outbreak is Omicron.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He simply meant they haven't genome typed most of them yet I think.

You can tell its Omicron by its nature. Breezes through doubled jabbed defenses. Spreads much easier which is why team outbreaks are much high. And high percentage of asymptomatic and mild cases.

WFT said 21 of 23 players could have practiced.

I'd bet by last dollar 90% of this outbreak is Omicron.

Yeah. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t. They world always seems behind on when these viruses and variants start spreading. By the time they realized what it was in South Africa, it was probably everywhere already but if it was asymptomatic then we’d have no idea if the overwhelming majority of those people weren’t testing because they didn’t even realize they had I.T.

 

[Russ Smith]

So I just read something that says the NFL is still not sure about the fake vaccinations stuff but they suspect the main reason the players have been hit so much harder than staff is they think most players got J and J vaccine because of the convenience of one shot over two. If you recall the NFL had a deadline and players who waited almost had no choice but to get J and J so they could get it done in time. J an J is far less effective against Delta and presumably Omicron.

If true that's interesting as it raises the question can just them getting a Moderna or Pfizer booster solve that issue quickly?

 

[Cheesebeef]

So I just read something that says the NFL is still not sure about the fake vaccinations stuff but they suspect the main reason the players have been hit so much harder than staff is they think most players got J and J vaccine because of the convenience of one shot over two. If you recall the NFL had a deadline and players who waited almost had no choice but to get J and J so they could get it done in time. J an J is far less effective against Delta and presumably Omicron.

If true that's interesting as it raises the question can just them getting a Moderna or Pfizer booster solve that issue quickly?

Dude... it was probably a major chore just getting a lot of those idiots the one J and J. Thinking the holdouts would get the booster isnt likely, IMO.

Especially since the NFL has moved to See No Evil, Hear No Evil testing protocols.