Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016)

[Covert Rain]

OK. So the latest news is that Vader is going to be used in more than just a cameo for this film and possibly future films. Anybody else a little concerned with that?

Vader is already considered one of the greatest villains of all time. I don't want them to cheapen it. To be honest, using Vader to chase a bunch of rebels across the galaxy seems like major overkill.

Not to mention that Episode III insinuates not all the Jedi were destroyed. It would seem the much higher priority would be ensuring that the Jedi are destroyed Death Star or no Death Star. If they are going to use Vader it should be for hunting down the last remaining Jedi. Who else would do it?

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Dart...ue-One-May-Bigger-Than-We-Thought-108447.html

 

[Cheesebeef]

OK. So the latest news is that Vader is going to be used in more than just a cameo for this film and possibly future films. Anybody else a little concerned with that?

Vader is already considered one of the greatest villains of all time. I don't want them to cheapen it. To be honest, using Vader to chase a bunch of rebels across the galaxy seems like major overkill.

Especially since we'd see Vader fail... AGAIN. I mean, in the prequels, that's seemingly ALL Anakin did was fail against Dooku in Clones, then defeat Dooku with Obi-Wan's help... and then fail against Obi-Wan. Seemingly the only thing he DID do was kill a bunch of kids and sand people and THEIR KIDS!

Enough of demystifying the greatest villain of all time and making him look like a punk bitch at every turn before the OT.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Vader is already considered one of the greatest villains of all time. I don't want them to cheapen it. To be honest, using Vader to chase a bunch of rebels across the galaxy seems like major overkill.

One word.. D-I-S-N-E-Y

But some of the stuff i've read says that while he's in the movie he's more of a background figure, but still integral to the movie. Yes we'll se him, but screen time will be limited.

This was a concern of mine that Disney would pimp this franchise so much that it loses its lore in movie history. They have said there will be more SW movies after ep9. They're going to milk the franchise into saturation; that's my fear.

 

[Covert Rain]

Especially since we'd see Vader fail... AGAIN. I mean, in the prequels, that's seemingly ALL Anakin did was fail against Dooku in Clones, then defeat Dooku with Obi-Wan's help... and then fail against Obi-Wan. Seemingly the only thing he DID do was kill a bunch of kids and sand people and THEIR KIDS!

Enough of demystifying the greatest villain of all time and making him look like a punk bitch at every turn before the OT.

Which is exactly why I would love to see him hunt Jedi. It appears the only Jedi to escape the clutches of the Empire by the original trilogy are Obi and Yoda. So what happened to the rest that probably escaped?

You could show Vader successfully hunting down multiple Jedi and taking them out. My guess is that is not "Disney" enough and why we will never see it.

 

[Zeno]

OK. So the latest news is that Vader is going to be used in more than just a cameo for this film and possibly future films. Anybody else a little concerned with that?

Vader is already considered one of the greatest villains of all time. I don't want them to cheapen it. To be honest, using Vader to chase a bunch of rebels across the galaxy seems like major overkill.

Not to mention that Episode III insinuates not all the Jedi were destroyed. It would seem the much higher priority would be ensuring that the Jedi are destroyed Death Star or no Death Star. If they are going to use Vader it should be for hunting down the last remaining Jedi. Who else would do it?

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Dart...ue-One-May-Bigger-Than-We-Thought-108447.html

Rogue One is set 19 years after Episode 3, he probably spent those years hunting down the remaining Jedi or driving those few survivors so deep in to hiding that they are no longer what he considers a threat, remember Tarkin probably stated what was the Imperial belief at the time "The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion." (obviously they were wrong as they were never able to find Obi Wan or Yoda in those intervening years).

From what I have gathered from rumors, there is concept art of Vader in action and will see him as an almost unstoppable force. It rolls directly in to Ep 4, where he is tracking down the Death Star plans--the plans were stolen, he was hunting down those responsible, somehow they were transferred to Leia on her ship. I would not be surprised if most of the "Rogue One" team is wiped out trying to hold off Vader to allow the last survivor to make the transfer before her death or last second escape (I am guessing Felicity is the last one left).

 

[Covert Rain]

Rogue One is set 19 years after Episode 3, he probably spent those years hunting down the remaining Jedi or driving those few survivors so deep in to hiding that they are no longer what he considers a threat, remember Tarkin probably stated what was the Imperial belief at the time "The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion." (obviously they were wrong as they were never able to find Obi Wan or Yoda in those intervening years).

From what I have gathered from rumors, there is concept art of Vader in action and will see him as an almost unstoppable force. It rolls directly in to Ep 4, where he is tracking down the Death Star plans--the plans were stolen, he was hunting down those responsible, somehow they were transferred to Leia on her ship. I would not be surprised if most of the "Rogue One" team is wiped out trying to hold off Vader to allow the last survivor to make the transfer before her death or last second escape (I am guessing Felicity is the last one left).

I agree with Cheese though. Seems like a very weeny way to use Vader. He goes after a bunch of rebels which we know ALREADY get the plans to the Rebels. Another failure. I just wish they were using him differently if you are going to use him at all. Show me him hunting the Jedi and taking them out. Wouldn't that be more compelling?

 

[Zeno]

I agree with Cheese though. Seems like a very weeny way to use Vader. He goes after a bunch of rebels which we know ALREADY get the plans to the Rebels. Another failure. I just wish they were using him differently if you are going to use him at all. Show me him hunting the Jedi and taking them out. Wouldn't that be more compelling?

I could get all in on a Vader movie set 5 years or so after Episode 3, but this movie isn't that. This is more the story of how the Rebellion got the plans for the Death Star, which is probably seen as the first victory of the Rebellion. Like it or not it is a heroes story not the villains story, Vader will be there because he will tie it in to the original trilogy AND he is the most iconic villain of all time and that alone will drive up interest.

What I am really hoping is they don't try to shoe horn Vader or some on the run Jedi in to the Han Solo movie or it would go totally against what he said in Ep 4 "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense."

I do want to see an Obi Wan movie set while he was watching over Luke from afar and would LOVE to see an Old Republic movie set when the Sith were as numerous as the Jedi.

 

[Covert Rain]

I could get all in on a Vader movie set 5 years or so after Episode 3, but this movie isn't that. This is more the story of how the Rebellion got the plans for the Death Star, which is probably seen as the first victory of the Rebellion. Like it or not it is a heroes story not the villains story, Vader will be there because he will tie it in to the original trilogy AND he is the most iconic villain of all time and that alone will drive up interest.

What I am really hoping is they don't try to shoe horn Vader or some on the run Jedi in to the Han Solo movie or it would go totally against what he said in Ep 4 "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense."

I do want to see an Obi Wan movie set while he was watching over Luke from afar and would LOVE to see an Old Republic movie set when the Sith were as numerous as the Jedi.

It's obvious this movie isn't that but to me it sounds like they are doing exactly what you said and shoehorning Vader in to make that tie in. Who knows...maybe it will be bad A. I doubt it.

You want to bet we get multiple scenes of Vader standing around ordering people, being demonstrative and yelling?

They are already doing standalone "prequels". I hope they visit the Jedi that fled.

 

[Zeno]

It's obvious this movie isn't that but to me it sounds like they are doing exactly what you said and shoehorning Vader in to make that tie in. Who knows...maybe it will be bad A. I doubt it.

You want to bet we get multiple scenes of Vader standing around ordering people, being demonstrative and yelling?

They are already doing standalone "prequels". I hope they visit the Jedi that fled.

I don't see this as shoehorning him in as it was obvious in the beginning of Ep 4 that he was active in the hunt to recover the plans...it isn't a stretch to assume he had been involved since the plans were first taken. It makes more sense for him (and Tarkin) to be involved than for them not to be.

 

[Zeno]

You want to bet we get multiple scenes of Vader standing around ordering people, being demonstrative and yelling?

Rumor is they built "stunt" Vader suits meaning built for action scenes, so I don't think him just standing around and yelling will be a reality.

 

[Covert Rain]

Rumor is they built "stunt" Vader suits meaning built for action scenes, so I don't think him just standing around and yelling will be a reality.

I was being a bit facetious but I seriously doubt you will see a heavy dose of Vader in action. Not to say you won't see any.

Also, Disney has stated that Star Wars Rebels is cannon. Take that for what it is. I believe if memory serves me correct it takes place what 5 years prior to Star Wars (ANH)? That would seem to support that Vader took out most the Jedi in the 19 years since Episode III. However, the Jedi are still around at least until the end of the time frame of Rebels (again not counting Obi and Yoda) and helped build the rebellion you see by the Star Wars film. That's why they are more dangerous than the Death Star.

It just sucks that's that we are not going to see the years prior to Rebels and the Empire hunting the Jedi. To me that is the prime space to see more Vader. As Cheese stated....we already know what happens....he ultimately fails and the Rebels get the plans. There are so many good stories that could come out of Vader hunting Jedi.

 

[Cheesebeef]

One word.. D-I-S-N-E-Y

But some of the stuff i've read says that while he's in the movie he's more of a background figure, but still integral to the movie. Yes we'll se him, but screen time will be limited.

This was a concern of mine that Disney would pimp this franchise so much that it loses its lore in movie history. They have said there will be more SW movies after ep9. They're going to milk the franchise into saturation; that's my fear.

by having one, ion one way shape or form every single year, that's exactly what they're going to do. Star Wars was an EVENT in every sense of the term. It came out every 3 years... then disappeared for a couple decades... then came out every 3 years again.

 

[Covert Rain]

by having one, ion one way shape or form every single year, that's exactly what they're going to do. Star Wars was an EVENT in every sense of the term. It came out every 3 years... then disappeared for a couple decades... then came out every 3 years again.

That is a great point. I mean this new Star Wars film was very much viewed in that vain. A huge event.....a new movie after the world was told it was over. Turn this into a turn key type franchise....there is no way it will be viewed the same right? Not that they won't do huge business with each film.....only it won't be exactly the same.

It's a catch 22 for me though. I want more and more Star Wars yet at the same time I don't want them to churn and burn the franchise.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Rumor is they built "stunt" Vader suits meaning built for action scenes, so I don't think him just standing around and yelling will be a reality.

Sounds like Vader is going to be kicking some serious arse and could be quite violent.

http://makingstarwars.net/2016/01/a...e-some-action-in-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story/

The action sequences filmed are unknown, but there was work pitching the different ways Darth Vader could kill rebels on a battlefield with the Force and his lightsaber. The storyboard “pitches” showed decapitated rebels, people being dismembered by Vader throwing his sword, levitating bodies to make human shields, and so on. The art was more violent than what we’ve seen Darth Vader do on screen before.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

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[Cheesebeef]

sheesh... it's about time they dropped a trailer for this one!

 

[Covert Rain]

Ok wow. That was cruel.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

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[BillsCarnage]

Interesting... Let the hype machine begin.

 

[Covert Rain]

Definitely will be interesting. Different tone for sure. Although, the hype machine would have kicked into high gear had they showed a glimpse of Vader verses instead of hinting at him. I loved the fact we get to see the AT-AT's in a different environment.

 

[jf-08]

I'm thinking this will be the best Star Wars flick in the past 20 years.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'm thinking this will be the best Star Wars flick in the past 20 years.

I am anticipating this much more than I did The Force Awakens.

 

[puckhead]

This looks fantastic.

 

[Cheesebeef]

super curious how these standalone, non Skywalker Star Wars movies do. Suffice to say, I will not be making any box office bets or predictions on this one!

 

[Covert Rain]

super curious how these standalone, non Skywalker Star Wars movies do. Suffice to say, I will not be making any box office bets or predictions on this one!

Yeah that's tough. I know I liked TFA more than you did even though we shared some of the same issues (another Death Star etc.). However, I wonder if the movie made historical amounts of cash because it was a competent Star Wars compared to the prequels or did fans simply love that film?

What I mean is, if all you have to do is make a competent Star Wars film it will make similar money. If it comes down to story and broad appeal it may not. This definitely seems less family oriented verses TFA so it may have less broad appeal.

It's a tough thing to predict.