Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016)

[Chris_Sanders]

Mine is almost a countdown.

6
5
4
3.9
7
3
2
1

 

[Covert Rain]

He composes very little. Stole most of what you like from older movies, and real classical composers.

Every composer, every song writer and musician can be accused of doing the same. It's utter nonsense.

 

[Bert]

Let me ask you guys something, not in a confrontational way it's an earnest question.

Why is Clone wars better than Episode 1? Like other than Jar Jar, why do you think 2 was better than 1?

Cuz seriously, I said it leaving the theater back then and my opinion hasn't changed. Other than Yoda going super saiyan, that was one of the worst films I've ever seen. I hated that movie.

 

[Dback Jon]

Every composer, every song writer and musician can be accused of doing the same. It's utter nonsense.

So Vanilla Ice wrote all the music for "Ice Ice Baby"? And the fact that it is almost identical to Under Pressure means nothing?

The Imperial March and many, many other pieces are lifted basically note for note from older works.

 

[stewdog1]

So Vanilla Ice wrote all the music for "Ice Ice Baby"? And the fact that it is almost identical to Under Pressure means nothing?

The Imperial March and many, many other pieces are lifted basically note for note from older works.

I don't have time for this right now, but every composer draws inspiration from elsewhere whether consciously or not. However, are you sure you ain't talking about James Horner? He was the worst about plagiarism. I'll provide examples later.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Let me ask you guys something, not in a confrontational way it's an earnest question.

Why is Clone wars better than Episode 1? Like other than Jar Jar, why do you think 2 was better than 1?

Cuz seriously, I said it leaving the theater back then and my opinion hasn't changed. Other than Yoda going super saiyan, that was one of the worst films I've ever seen. I hated that movie.

Episodes 1-3 were completely terrible, IMO. Hayden Christensen, whatever his name is...is one of the worst actors I've ever seen...he made episodes 2 and 3 unwatchable. Just thinking about it now makes me cringe.

 

[Dback Jon]

I don't have time for this right now, but every composer draws inspiration from elsewhere whether consciously or not. However, are you sure you ain't talking about James Horner? He was the worst about plagiarism. I'll provide examples later.

No - talking about John Williams And yes, he stole most everything

 

[Covert Rain]

No - talking about John Williams And yes, he stole most everything

Prove it John. You have a bad habit of making dramatic statements without being able to back it up. I have a book or two on him if you want to compare notes.

For example do you know for most of his adult life he has written music almost daily? Your comparison to Vanilla Ice is stupid. You don't know the difference between sample and inspiration evidently.

 

[WaywardFan]

Star Wars
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
Empire Strikes Back
Spaceballs
Star Wars Holiday Special
The Pantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Let me ask you guys something, not in a confrontational way it's an earnest question.

Why is Clone wars better than Episode 1? Like other than Jar Jar, why do you think 2 was better than 1?

Cuz seriously, I said it leaving the theater back then and my opinion hasn't changed. Other than Yoda going super saiyan, that was one of the worst films I've ever seen. I hated that movie.

I hate Episode 1

Because of Midi Chlorians

Because of terrible child acting

Because of a goofy CGI Pod Race

Because Anakin built C3PO

Because of the awful racist accents of the trade federation

Because the villain isn't fleshed out

Because of Natalie Portman's wooden child doll acting

Yes Episode 2 is a bad movie but at least there are some really memorable scenes.

 

[Covert Rain]

I hate Episode 1

Because of Midi Chlorians

Because of terrible child acting

Because of a goofy CGI Pod Race

Because Anakin built C3PO

Because of the awful racist accents of the trade federation

Because the villain isn't fleshed out

Because of Natalie Portman's wooden child doll acting

Yes Episode 2 is a bad movie but at least there are some really memorable scenes.

I actually liked the Pod Race from an FX standpoint and even though I do not think there was intentional racism with the accents it was a bad choice. I think you are spot on with the rest. To me the Clone Wars was decent enough (my son loves it) and I liked Revenge of the Sith although hated the "noooooo".....it was bad.

 

[Chaplin]

Also I don't really understand the love that John Williams gets

As a composer he is awful He is talented as in orchestrator But all the memorable music in pretty much any movie he's ever scored he lifted from other composers

Huh? Totally don't undertand this. He is an amazing composer. You probably know him best from Star Wars, Raiders, E.T., etc., but remember he also did the music for JFK, Home Alone, Harry Potter, Superman and Born on the Fourth of July.

Please enlighten us on what he stole.

You do know that Hitchcock stole almost everything, right? What are your thoughts about him? What about Shakespeare? Same thing.

 

[Bert]

I hate Episode 1

Because of Midi Chlorians

Because of terrible child acting

Because of a goofy CGI Pod Race

Because Anakin built C3PO

Because of the awful racist accents of the trade federation

Because the villain isn't fleshed out

Because of Natalie Portman's wooden child doll acting

Yes Episode 2 is a bad movie but at least there are some really memorable scenes.

But Episode 2 is like 90mins of Anakin and Black Swan sitting in a meadow staring at eachother with the corniest dialogue of all time. And that ridiculous gladiator scene!

I'm sorry my friend, you're wrong. Episode 1 is better than episode 2. FIGHT ME!!!

 

[BillsCarnage]

No - talking about John Williams And yes, he stole most everything

There's a saying, good artists create, great artists steal. To say he stole most everything is a crazy exaggeration though.

That said, there is a composer I remember hearing a piece from many years ago and you could definitely hear some of the SW theme in it; maybe it was the Empire theme. But, it wasn't nearly as pronounced as it was in the SW music. It was one of the composers Williams said he has had inspiration from. Every artist gets inspirations from other artists.

Even if the SW theme was taken from say 8 different composers, Williams still had had to take the bits and compose them into the SW theme. And that's still original music, not stealing. Stealing is taking someone else's work and claiming it as your own - not even close to what Williams does.

You could probably take any modern composer and find parts here or there from previous composers.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Because of the awful racist accents of the trade federation

I still shake my head at this.. Because you know, it's scifi in a galaxy far, far away, so why can't other creatures have accents??

If they had a redneck accent would anyone have cared? Nope.

But Episode 2 is like 90mins of Anakin and Black Swan sitting in a meadow staring at eachother with the corniest dialogue of all time. And that ridiculous gladiator scene!

I'm sorry my friend, you're wrong. Episode 1 is better than episode 2. FIGHT ME!!!

I like Clones better overall than #1, but the part I like best is the very end when Palpatine is standing over the army, the early star destroyers taking off and the Empire theme starts playing. Best part of the whole movie, imo.

Oh and natalie portman in that torn up outfit in the last 3rd of the movie!

Take that!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I still shake my head at this.. Because you know, it's scifi in a galaxy far, far away, so why can't other creatures have accents??

If they had a redneck accent would anyone have cared? Nope.

I like Clones better overall than #1, but the part I like best is the very end when Palpatine is standing over the army, the early star destroyers taking off and the Empire theme starts playing. Best part of the whole movie, imo.

Oh and natalie portman in that torn up outfit in the last 3rd of the movie!

Take that!

It wasn't that it was an Asian accent, it was a cartoony Asian accent.

 

[Bert]

I like Clones better overall than #1, but the part I like best is the very end when Palpatine is standing over the army, the early star destroyers taking off and the Empire theme starts playing. Best part of the whole movie, imo.

Oh and natalie portman in that torn up outfit in the last 3rd of the movie!

Take that!

Ok I was going to argue then you played the Portman card and, I got nothin.

 

[stewdog1]

It wasn't that it was an Asian accent, it was a cartoony Asian accent.

So a serious accent would be OK? This is a no win and frankly asinine issue.

 

[stewdog1]

This is just one of many examples of James Horner plagiarism.

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This is just one of many examples, especially stealing from Prokoiev.

Heck, almost the entire track of Stealing the Enterprise from Star Trek III, is almost entirely lifted. The theme from Willow is another example.

John Williams, who has been inspired, has never plagiarized the way Horner did. Don't get me wrong though , I'm a fan of Horner.

 

[BillsCarnage]

^ I always thought that was an adaptation

 

[Chris_Sanders]

So a serious accent would be OK? This is a no win and frankly asinine issue.

This sums it up exactly

 

[crisper57]

I liked Phantom Menace for several big reasons.

First: Darth Maul > Count Dooku.
Second: Duel of the Fates (the fight theme from TPM) was one of the best additions to the score since the Empire March
Third: It was the first Star Wars to show an increased scope. In Empire and Jedi, the ground battles and space dogfights were pretty tightly shot. The Gungan/Nubian/Droid battle showed what the new CGI could bring in terms of battle scenes, which Clones built on in the next outing.
Fourth: The Pod Race was entertaining, if not silly
Fifth: This was the first time we got to see Jedi in their prime. Watching Obi Wan and Qui Gon lay waste to the droids in the opening scenes was pretty damn awesome, because we finally saw what a fully-trained/healthy Jedi could do.

 

[Covert Rain]

I liked Phantom Menace for several big reasons.

First: Darth Maul > Count Dooku.
Second: Duel of the Fates (the fight theme from TPM) was one of the best additions to the score since the Empire March
Third: It was the first Star Wars to show an increased scope. In Empire and Jedi, the ground battles and space dogfights were pretty tightly shot. The Gungan/Nubian/Droid battle showed what the new CGI could bring in terms of battle scenes, which Clones built on in the next outing.
Fourth: The Pod Race was entertaining, if not silly
Fifth: This was the first time we got to see Jedi in their prime. Watching Obi Wan and Qui Gon lay waste to the droids in the opening scenes was pretty damn awesome, because we finally saw what a fully-trained/healthy Jedi could do.

All good points except the Gungan battle scene is one of the worst things I have seen. It was a cartoon in the middle of the movie. It completely pulled me out of he movie which FX are not supposed to do IMO.

 

[crisper57]

All good points except the Gungan battle scene is one of the worst things I have seen. It was a cartoon in the middle of the movie. It completely pulled me out of he movie which FX are not supposed to do IMO.

I agree the fight was cheesy, but for the first time you could see the scale of the armies. Hundreds, if not thousands, of individual combatants filling the screen was cost-prohibitive in the 70's and 80's. So I appreciated getting Star Wars scenes that filled the screen with entire battles, rather than individual skirmishes within larger battles.

 

[Azlen]

While Rogue One did a very good job of explaining why one X-Wing was able to destroy the Death Star, there is another plot hole from 4 that still kind of bugs me. Why did the Empire seem to completely forget about the plans once the Millennium Falcon left Mos Eisley? Tarkin never asked Leia about them. There was never any discussion about them being on board the Falcon even though it was the ship they were looking for. It was almost like they forgot that it was such a big deal and the rebel fleet sacrificed a lot to get them. I've never really understood that.