Rostered Players w/ Potential to be Traded

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We got a 6th for Mason Cole...

Illustrates the value (or lack thereof) that teams place on 6th and 7th round picks.

 

[Chopper0080]

Great points. But the guys we want to trade aren’t surpluses, they just stink.

Slight disagreement.

Isabella does stink but I don't think anyone expected Moore AND Dortch to look as good as they do. If Dortch was the zero he has been so far in the league with other teams, Isabella would be tougher to part with.

Same for Kirk. He isn't bad, but he looks different when you have Moore looking amazing for a role in the slot which is where we thought Kirk would be. Now the question becomes, can you afford to keep Moore on the bench in favor of Kirk in 3WR sets? He looks different for a team like Philly who is has struggled to find WRs and may value a vet who can play outside and inside right away for the year while their young WRs develop.

Hicks is meh unless you are adding him to a young LB room and you are willing to use him on early downs only. We have not spot because of having just given his spot to an unproven rookie after asking him to take a pay cut. The funny part is that adding a guy like Hicks to a young LB room is great but demoting him is where it gets sticky.

Justin Murray has a bunch of starts as a average to below average player. That isn't great unless you are worried about not having a player who can play both T and G and sometimes reach an average level of production. He is also cheap. Josh Jones, Sean Harlow and Max Garcia make him a bit more expendable than originally thought. Harlow may also be available as he is on a one year deal vs Murray who is on a 2 year deal.

 

[AZman5103]

Kirk has value to someone, and if we shopped him I guarantee we could get a late round pick. Kirk for Ertz makes sense for both teams. If we have to throw in a late round pick on our side I would still do it

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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I mean, for AI? What's the price? Bag of turnips?

 

[slanidrac16]

I guess I will answer this since I started the thread. It isn't about our "trash" being "treasure" to someone else. It is about a team being willing to gamble on a player for a player they may be trying to move or a player who will be potentially cut.

Example. KC has 4 TEs they like. They probably aren't going to roster them all. Why not trade one to get something back and if the player doesn't work on that team, they can always add him back on the PS later. It is a very low risk move.

Another example. Maybe the Eagles KNOW they are not going to re-sign Miles Sanders and they really like the group of Gainwell, Howard, and BScott. Is it better to hold onto a player they know they are going to get rid of when they can acquire a player like Hicks or Kirk who could potentially fill an area of weakness on their roster?

Broncos has 5 RBs and probably will only carry 4.

David Njoku is a mystery.

Could the Chargers be interested in an inexpensive swing tackle in Justin Murray for a TE or fringe EDGE player.

Etc...

There are just many situations that arise where a team evaluates their roster and finds a surplus of depth at one position group which they will be unable to keep.

I get your concept, but at this point I think most teams would just wait for the final cut down dates.

 

[jf-08]

I mean, for AI? What's the price? Bag of turnips?

Turnip.

 

[BritCard]

Slight disagreement.

Isabella does stink but I don't think anyone expected Moore AND Dortch to look as good as they do. If Dortch was the zero he has been so far in the league with other teams, Isabella would be tougher to part with.

Same for Kirk. He isn't bad, but he looks different when you have Moore looking amazing for a role in the slot which is where we thought Kirk would be. Now the question becomes, can you afford to keep Moore on the bench in favor of Kirk in 3WR sets? He looks different for a team like Philly who is has struggled to find WRs and may value a vet who can play outside and inside right away for the year while their young WRs develop.

Hicks is meh unless you are adding him to a young LB room and you are willing to use him on early downs only. We have not spot because of having just given his spot to an unproven rookie after asking him to take a pay cut. The funny part is that adding a guy like Hicks to a young LB room is great but demoting him is where it gets sticky.

Justin Murray has a bunch of starts as a average to below average player. That isn't great unless you are worried about not having a player who can play both T and G and sometimes reach an average level of production. He is also cheap. Josh Jones, Sean Harlow and Max Garcia make him a bit more expendable than originally thought. Harlow may also be available as he is on a one year deal vs Murray who is on a 2 year deal.

I often think fans don't account for scheme. Jordan Hicks played best in a 4-3. He simply doesn't look comfortable in our 3-4. I still think he has value to a team with the right system.

Same with Kirk. This scheme sucks for him. We largely have him running curls and comebacks to the sticks with the occasional post. I don't know why because a lot of his best work at A&M and his first 2 years here was YAC. We used to give him a bunch of bubble screens which he was good at and just stopped last year.

All these guys can make it somewhere if used correctly.

 

[kerouac9]

I often think fans don't account for scheme. Jordan Hicks played best in a 4-3. He simply doesn't look comfortable in our 3-4. I still think he has value to a team with the right system.

Same with Kirk. This scheme sucks for him. We largely have him running curls and comebacks to the sticks with the occasional post. I don't know why because a lot of his best work at A&M and his first 2 years here was YAC. We used to give him a bunch of bubble screens which he was good at and just stopped last year.

All these guys can make it somewhere if used correctly.

I fully expect Hicks to stick here this season and be productive. Isaiah Simmons could very well be our second- or third-best pass rusher. The first series of the Red and White practice had Hicks, Collins, and Simmons on the field at the same time.

 

[Chopper0080]

I fully expect Hicks to stick here this season and be productive. Isaiah Simmons could very well be our second- or third-best pass rusher. The first series of the Red and White practice had Hicks, Collins, and Simmons on the field at the same time.

With the personnel we have in our front 7, there is many different ways to implement different fronts.

A 4-3 w/ Hicks, Collins, and Simmons at LB and Jones and Watt at DE.

A 3-4 w/ Simmons outside and a 3/4 with Simmons inside.

So many guys have position flexibility it will be interesting to see if Vance takes advantage of it.

I will also admit that watching Simmons run down slot WRs brought back the S dream a bit.

 

[football karma]

I will also admit that watching Simmons run down slot WRs brought back the S dream a bit.

the play he made against KC on third down was sooo good. Its one of those invisible on the stat sheet plays: a tackle for a 4 yard gain on 3rd and 7 (IIRC) -- but it matters.

 

[juza76]

I often think fans don't account for scheme. Jordan Hicks played best in a 4-3. He simply doesn't look comfortable in our 3-4. I still think he has value to a team with the right system.

Same with Kirk. This scheme sucks for him. We largely have him running curls and comebacks to the sticks with the occasional post. I don't know why because a lot of his best work at A&M and his first 2 years here was YAC. We used to give him a bunch of bubble screens which he was good at and just stopped last year.

All these guys can make it somewhere if used correctly.

Beside the scheme, Jordan Hicks level of play decreased a lot compared to his days in Philly
Never seen a player losing so much speed at 28

 

[Cardiac]

Likely always Keim’s greatest gem of a transaction as a GM.

I would say maybe the 2nd best in nfl history, jj trading H Walker for a ton of picks probably better.

 

[cardpa]

I would send Hicks and Kirk to Philly for Ertz. I think Ertz got a bad rap for just one bad season filled with injuries. I believe he can add a lot to our TE position and the offense.

 

[BritCard]

I fully expect Hicks to stick here this season and be productive. Isaiah Simmons could very well be our second- or third-best pass rusher. The first series of the Red and White practice had Hicks, Collins, and Simmons on the field at the same time.

I think the Cards want to keep him for sure but they did give him permission for a trade so if someone comes in with a decent offer it's going to be tough for them to say know without serious pissing Hicks off.

I do think Vallejo can take those snaps too if Hicks goes.

 

[Rohinaz]

I would send Hicks and Kirk to Philly for Ertz. I think Ertz got a bad rap for just one bad season filled with injuries. I believe he can add a lot to our TE position and the offense.

Why? we need Hicks and Kirk. Im all for adding Ertz, but I dont think we should leave ourselves vulnerable at 2 other spots. Hicks is leading all our LBs in tackles. Kirk has made a bunch of great plays this year. I would offer up future picks or isabella

 

[HomerPimpson]

What team exactly wants Isabella? He's literally worth nothing in trade value.

He's so bad the entire team said yeah sit there and collect your check and then you're gone.

 

[slanidrac16]

I would send Hicks and Kirk to Philly for Ertz. I think Ertz got a bad rap for just one bad season filled with injuries. I believe he can add a lot to our TE position and the offense.

Uh no. Philly if interested would get a 6th.

 

[Chopper0080]

The players they have that would be expendable are Isabella and Devon Kennard. Both are under-contract, play valuable positions, and are under-utilized. The argument is that Isabella has shown nothing and Kennard is expensive relative to his production but if you are a bad team with cap space they may be worth giving up a player you are not intending to re-sign for.

Kirk is a FA and will be valuable to our comp formula if he signs elsewhere as he should be coming off a productive year. I don't see a TE on the market good enough that you would sell low on Kirk for. Same with Hicks. His role in Arizona is greater than his trade value would bring.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Talking about realistic TE targets, former fan favorite Dan Arnold already has half has many catches this year split between two teams than he had all of last year!

If you're not going to get a clear upgrade like a Geseki/Ertz, Dan Arnold would be a nice cheap addition, and far better than anything else we have on the roster.

 

[football karma]

alking about realistic TE targets, former fan favorite Dan Arnold already has half has many catches this year split between two teams than he had all of last year!

im not a fan of trading assets for Dan Arnold

i think some portion (not all, not even most, but a decent portion) of last years offensive struggles had to do with Maxx (or, a suitably good blocker, competent pass catcher) being out of the lineup

teams play a light box, and Maxx is a good blocker in the run game -- so advantage in running the ball. Forces defenses to choose personnel.

Arnold is a poor blocking, king sized WR who gives no run game advantage. Teams treat him like a big WR and feel free to play nickel with him in the game.

 

[unseenaz]

dan arnold lead jacksonville in targets and receiving yards this weekend, no chance jacksonville is gonna trade him so shortly after acquiring him.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

im not a fan of trading assets for Dan Arnold

i think some portion (not all, not even most, but a decent portion) of last years offensive struggles had to do with Maxx (or, a suitably good blocker, competent pass catcher) being out of the lineup

teams play a light box, and Maxx is a good blocker in the run game -- so advantage in running the ball. Forces defenses to choose personnel.

Arnold is a poor blocking, king sized WR who gives no run game advantage. Teams treat him like a big WR and feel free to play nickel with him in the game.

He has 15 catches this year already, what's your plan? Just not play a TE? Give reps to Darrell Daniels?

You wouldn't trade a conditional 6th or 7th to add another familiar weapon at a position of desperate need?

 

[BritCard]

Foster Moreau is another one to consider. Doesn't see much of the field with Waller. Raiders raved about him in the offseason. Was good at LSU. Blocker first, receiver 2nd but can do both. Would be a great TE2 when Maxx is back. Plus, it's the Raiders. We always get a sweet deal.

Also Tyler Kroft from the Jets.

 

[football karma]

He has 15 catches this year already, what's your plan? Just not play a TE? Give reps to Darrell Daniels?

give up assets for a TE who can block as well as serve as a safety outlet

 

[Krangodnzr]

Foster Moreau is another one to consider. Doesn't see much of the field with Waller. Raiders raved about him in the offseason. Was good at LSU. Blocker first, receiver 2nd but can do both. Would be a great TE2 when Maxx is back. Plus, it's the Raiders. We always get a sweet deal.

Also Tyler Kroft from the Jets.

The issue with Moreau would probably be compensation. The Raiders would probably want at least a 3rd rounder for a cost controlled asset. Then again, Moreau might actually be worth it.