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[sunsfan88]

I have no problem giving up pretty much anything we have to acquire a young talented power forward. What I don't want to see is us trading away what little future we have for a topped out (or nearly topped out) player that is only marginally better than what we currently have. Hickson or Millsap at a reasonable price, yes, but neither one is a future star. In fact, they aren't much more than barely serviceable.

Steve

Neither may be a star but one of em is very young and filled with potential. Hickson. Suns need someone like him to finish at the rim. And Milsap is more than "servicable" He brings Lou's energy every play except Milsap is a good offensive player as well as being a great defender and rebounder.

And who ever said about giving up the farm for these players? Do you actually think Utah or CLE would demand Nash & two 1st rd picks for them or something?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Agreed. Those two particular players are not even close to being "farm worthy."

Lets go back in time to before the JRich trade.
Lets suppose,hypothetically,for arguments sake.....

(and this IS NOT intended to be a parallel to the Barkley trade. Not the same thing. Forget about that)

.........that OKC was shopping K.Durant for some reason.....maybe he had a run-in with the law,maybe he was busted downtown for jaywalking(it doesn't matter why for this discussion).

Would you have been willing to trade Nash,JRich,Dudley,Frye,Lopez,2011 1st rd pick and future considerations for Kevin Durant last summer? Assuming Durant was on a long-term deal of course....

That would basically give you one the top 3 best young players in the league and leave you with nothing else. You then would be forced to build around him with zero assets.

Is that better than waiting years and years and years for an oppourtunity to just somehow "land" or "luck into" a player like that?
Of course it is.

Absolutely. The NBA is a game of stars and I doubt that will ever change. I'd trade our entire roster and a first round pick for Durant, Rose, Griffin and maybe Dwight Howard. It would take a few years to put the complementary pieces around one of them to become competitive but great players are so much harder to find than good players. I'd hesitate to do this if I were Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota, Sacramento or even Utah but a place like Phoenix can attract quality FA's if the star is in place.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

Absolutely. The NBA is a game of stars and I doubt that will ever change. I'd trade our entire roster and a first round pick for Durant, Rose, Griffin and maybe Dwight Howard. It would take a few years to put the complementary pieces around one of them to become competitive but great players are so much harder to find than good players. I'd hesitate to do this if I were Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota, Sacramento or even Utah but a place like Phoenix can attract quality FA's if the star is in place.

Steve

But but but but....we'd just come off a WCF appearance and taken the Lakers to six games. Why break that up for one great young player?

 

[AzStevenCal]

But but but but....we'd just come off a WCF appearance and taken the Lakers to six games. Why break that up for one great young player?

I can't believe I have to keep telling you this. The moon is made of cheese, you raise mice to assist in the harvest. Sooner or later, someone will devise an economical means for traveling to the moon and you'll be well placed to make your fortune. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure at least two of us are talking nonsense.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

Barkley was aquired by trading away 3 starters including an all-star and a SF who was widley considered one of the most improved players in the league in Tim Perry.....not exactly considered a "safe" trade at the time. Obviously it was a steal in hindsight.

That simply isn't true. League wide the trade was viewed as a no brainer for the Suns and a risk for the 76'ers. Not the other way around. The Suns were getting a super star in return for 3 quality players but players nobody considered super star level material. Many at the time thought that the Suns would have to part with All-star guard KJ to even have a chance at getting him. The trade was considered a great one considering they didn't have to give up KJ who at the time was a hot trade commodity and considered one of the best at his position.

 

[Mainstreet]

Milsap may not be a star, but it would take a lot for the Jazz to trade him. He is wreaking ball inside. IMO, he more than adequately replaced Boozer. Actually Milsap and Boozer were both second round picks. Why oh why did the Suns not pick Boozer with their second first round pick the year they drafted Stoudemire. As a general rule, always bigs over smalls. Here is a link on Milsap.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_millsap/

 

[AzStevenCal]

Milsap may not be a star, but it would take a lot for the Jazz to trade him. He is wreaking ball inside. IMO, he more than adequately replaced Boozer. Actually Milsap and Boozer were both second round picks. Why oh why did the Suns not pick Boozer with their second first round pick the year they drafted Stoudemire. As a general rule, always bigs over smalls. Here is a link on Milsap.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_millsap/

I would have passed on Boozer also. Really, it never crossed my mind that he would have an NBA career. It was probably just my quite reasonable Duke hatred but I didn't think he'd have any impact at this level.

I did, however, think Millsap was undervalued. I'd still like him on my team, I just wouldn't give up more than Childress and the Magic first for him. I called him marginally better than Warrick but I have to admit I'm talking about Warrick on his best days. If you consider the "other" Warrick who often shows up, Paul is a huge improvement.

Steve

 

[desertdawg]

Can't replace a guy like Stat. We will soon find out you can't replace a guy like Nash. Then we will find out you can replace a guy like Gentry. By then, Carter and Hill will be gone. Looking for a PF right now shows how stupid Sarver is. He should have payed Amare, and kept him here at least until Nash was done, only makes sense.
The other teams that are around our level talent/record wise are young teams and on their way up. 10 game rotations...

 

[mojorizen7]

That simply isn't true. League wide the trade was viewed as a no brainer for the Suns and a risk for the 76'ers. Not the other way around. The Suns were getting a super star in return for 3 quality players but players nobody considered super star level material. Many at the time thought that the Suns would have to part with All-star guard KJ to even have a chance at getting him. The trade was considered a great one considering they didn't have to give up KJ who at the time was a hot trade commodity and considered one of the best at his position.

I suppose you guys are right. It was certainly risky for Philly because the fans loved Chuck.
I was pumped up beyond all comprehension. I was a young and dumb 24 yr old at the time and didnt care about things like role models in basketball shorts.

Still, i seem to remember hearing rumblings(initially before and during the Olympics) like "Barkley is a time bomb waiting to explode"...."will he behave?" etc.
IIRC Barkley had just been aquitted of assualt charges the very same day he was traded. Just sayin.

It was a fantastic trade obviously. IMO the best Suns trade ever. I still maintain that calling it a no-brainer is not exactly the whole truth.

 

[Mainstreet]

I did, however, think Millsap was undervalued. I'd still like him on my team, I just wouldn't give up more than Childress and the Magic first for him. I called him marginally better than Warrick but I have to admit I'm talking about Warrick on his best days. If you consider the "other" Warrick who often shows up, Paul is a huge improvement.

Steve

I don't know why fans think the Jazz would trade Milsap. I think the Jazz would smile at the offer of Childress and the Magic first for him. Milsap is an anchor for the Jazz inside. He always comes to play and knows where he is supposed to play, inside.

Here is a link to his stats.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_millsap/index.html?nav=page

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't know why fans think the Jazz would trade Milsap. I think the Jazz would smile at the offer of Childress and the Magic first for him. Milsap is an anchor for the Jazz inside. He always comes to play and knows where he is supposed to play, inside.

Here is a link to his stats.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_millsap/index.html?nav=page

Well, two things stood out to me as I looked through his stats. One, he's not quite as good a rebounder as I thought and he's a couple of years younger than I expected. I was thinking he was late 20's and that had a lot to do with why I wouldn't want to invest much in him. My suggestion of Childress and a pick wasn't intended to describe his value, merely his value to us. I missed the fact though that he's young enough to actually still have value 5 or 6 years from now if we were to rebuild successfully. But like you said, I know of no reason the Jazz would be looking to move him.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

A package of Childress plus the Magic pick has negative value, even to the Suns. Milsap has rather high positive value, especially to the Suns.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm confused where the Milsap interest came from. Did someone here just mention him, or was it from an article somewhere? I haven't heard anything about the Suns having interest or the Jazz looking to move him.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'm confused where the Milsap interest came from. Did someone here just mention him, or was it from an article somewhere? I haven't heard anything about the Suns having interest or the Jazz looking to move him.

Probably because he's a PF and we dont have one.

I doubt there's anyone out there(that could catapult us into contention) that can be had without gutting what little talent we do have in order to get it.

Unfortunately.

 

[elindholm]

I'm confused where the Milsap interest came from. Did someone here just mention him, or was it from an article somewhere? I haven't heard anything about the Suns having interest or the Jazz looking to move him.

No idea, I was just chiming in. I doubt the Jazz have any interest in trading him; rather, I get the sense that they are delighted with how he has blossomed.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm confused where the Milsap interest came from. Did someone here just mention him, or was it from an article somewhere? I haven't heard anything about the Suns having interest or the Jazz looking to move him.

I believe the Milsap talk may have started in the post below.

I'm no NBA executive but guys like Milsap & JJ Hickson can maybe be obtained while not giving up the farm.