Rotation Next 10gms

[AzStevenCal]

How many more games does Gentry have in his 10 game "sticky rotation" plan? Is he going to keep it like this? Starters are gelling, that's what is important. That bench used to be the bomb, now it is just party popper. Dragic is streakier that a homeless mans draws. I like kinda like Warrik's game as of late. The Polish layup is worth watching just to wait for it.... witness the Polish layup.
We are winning, the Knicks victory was really sweet. If we can get some production from the bench, might be able to hang with the better squads. Don't wanna burn Nash with too many minutes, we might get around a 6 seed play-off spot if we keep playing. LOLopez, who knows? Never know which Frye will show up but he is more consistant than floppin Robin. Vince Carter turned it up for his 20 Gs game, he new sportscentr was watching. It would be nice if he played like that more often.
Hill and Dudley, no complaints here.

You too? The last time we played a decent team that wasn't struggling we got blown out by 30 some points. Our two best wins in over a month have come against the Knicks and an injury depleted Portland squad. We are just one of the 5 teams battling for 9th place. I think the 6 spot is a dream. I don't want to keep trying to burst anyone's bubble but this board gets very depressing when expectations are raised and the team falls well short of them. High expectations at this point, IMO, are unwarranted.

Steve

 

[desertdawg]

You too? The last time we played a decent team that wasn't struggling we got blown out by 30 some points. Our two best wins in over a month have come against the Knicks and an injury depleted Portland squad. We are just one of the 5 teams battling for 9th place. I think the 6 spot is a dream. I don't want to keep trying to burst anyone's bubble but this board gets very depressing when expectations are raised and the team falls well short of them. High expectations at this point, IMO, are unwarranted.

Steve

If we play like we have been (competing) and Gentry finds something that works on the bench, we can sneak in. Not very beneficial for our draft, but I think we finish up between 6-10 spot. I don't expect much from this team this year, it's like playing Jenga with marbles. Probably just miss the play-offs and a chance at the star talent in the draft.
Now I gotz to go play with my dog after typing this depressing scribble.

 

[JCSunsfan]

There's a lot of them. Just look at the rosters of all the good teams and you'll find one. I don't buy into the theory that all these good teams are looking to trade away one of the most valuable assets an NBA team can have but maybe we'll get lucky or perhaps we can initiate a hostile takeover.

The good news is that if we do find a team willing to move a quality power forward, we would probably be the only team interested in trading for him. Take Horford for example, if he's available who else could possibly be interested in acquiring him. A first round pick and Childress should do the trick which is really fortunate for us as we don't have much more to offer than that.

Steve

That is why I asked the question. When you have to name names, its obvious that the task is much more difficult than just going out and getting a pf.

 

[BC867]

How many more games does Gentry have in his 10 game "sticky rotation" plan?

Alvin Gentry announced his ten-day lineup on January 9th.

If you count the game that day, the tenth game would be vs. Charlotte on January 26th.

If it started with the following game, the tenth would be vs. Boston on the 28th.

 

[sunsfan88]

You too? The last time we played a decent team that wasn't struggling we got blown out by 30 some points. Our two best wins in over a month have come against the Knicks and an injury depleted Portland squad. We are just one of the 5 teams battling for 9th place. I think the 6 spot is a dream. I don't want to keep trying to burst anyone's bubble but this board gets very depressing when expectations are raised and the team falls well short of them. High expectations at this point, IMO, are unwarranted.

Steve

The Knicks and the Blazers are still good teams. And now it looks like everyone is clicking so who knows what can happen against teams like Boston or SA.

 

[mojorizen7]

Whats wrong with giving up the farm to aquire a legit PF/bigman? It almost worked in '92/'93.

 

[Mainstreet]

Whats wrong with giving up the farm to aquire a legit PF/bigman? It almost worked in '92/'93.

The Suns did not trade the farm for Charles Barkley. The Suns traded Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang to the Sixers for him. Although I am still a huge fan of Hornacek the Suns stole Barkley.

 

[BC867]

Whats wrong with giving up the farm to aquire a legit PF/bigman? It almost worked in '92/'93.

I wouldn't worry about that. Who would we consider a farm on the Suns?

Our three best individual players are the three oldest. And all of the rest, although we've developed an attachment to some of them, are not more crucial than getting a legitimate Power Forward.

Hopefully our new executives have the skill to do it in a way that gives us the team balance we have lacked all season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Whats wrong with giving up the farm to aquire a legit PF/bigman? It almost worked in '92/'93.

probably because this team doesn't even have a farm.

gortat's probably = Lang, but unbelievably, there isn't even a Horny or a Tim Perry on this team... and even if there was, there sure as hell ain't a KJ, Majerle, Chambers, Dumas and Ceballos on the club to surround said big man.

 

[elindholm]

Remember, the Suns before the Barkley trade were already a very good team that had been to the WCF at least once. Barkley was supposed to put them over the top, not rescue them single-handedly.

 

[Mainstreet]

Remember, the Suns before the Barkley trade were already a very good team that had been to the WCF at least once. Barkley was supposed to put them over the top, not rescue them single-handedly.

Agree.

I have attached a link to the 92-93 Suns roster below. Barkley joined Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers and Dan Majerle among others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992–93_Phoenix_Suns_season

 

[Cheesebeef]

Remember, the Suns before the Barkley trade were already a very good team that had been to the WCF at least once. Barkley was supposed to put them over the top, not rescue them single-handedly.

twice in 89 and 90... and they were a second round playoff team the year they traded for chuck.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Agree.

I have attached a link to the 92-93 Suns roster below. Barkley joined Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers and Dan Majerle among others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992–93_Phoenix_Suns_season

technically, he didn't join Ainge. Ainge was signed after the trade.

 

[mojorizen7]

We dont need to trade the farm for a PF/bigman so he can save the team right away. I'm talking about trading away anybody and anything in order to aquire a legit player to put pieces around.

Barkley was aquired by trading away 3 starters including an all-star and a SF who was widley considered one of the most improved players in the league in Tim Perry.....not exactly considered a "safe" trade at the time. Obviously it was a steal in hindsight.

Cheese brought up a good point though....there probably isn't enough here,even if the FO was willing to sell the drawers in order to buy a new dresser.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We dont need to trade the farm for a PF/bigman so he can save the team right away. I'm talking about trading away anybody and anything in order to aquire a legit player to put pieces around.

Barkley was aquired by trading away 3 starters including an all-star and a SF who was widley considered one of the most improved players in the league in Tim Perry.....not exactly considered a "safe" trade at the time. Obviously it was a steal in hindsight.

dude, come on... the entire city of Phoenix EXPLODED with that deal. We were all terrified we were gonna have to deal KJ to make that deal work and we only had to give up Horny (which was kinda painful, but not as painful as getting rid of KJ would have been). My friends and i were at Duke basketball camp when we heard the deal and we were skipping around the dorm and everyone at camp was pissed because they thought we got a complete steal.

And Lang Bang was a backup... I know this because I always wanted him to start... and thought him being included in the deal was the worst part of it. i chuckle back on that thought now.

freaking Barkley's back/knee and his inability to take care of himself. That team should have won two titles when Jordan was retired (and could have contended for more because if they had, they wouldn't have made that god-awful Hot Rod deal!).

 

[AzStevenCal]

dude, come on... the entire city of Phoenix EXPLODED with that deal. We were all terrified we were gonna have to deal KJ to make that deal work and we only had to give up Horny (which was kinda painful, but not as painful as getting rid of KJ would have been). My friends and i were at Duke basketball camp when we heard the deal and we were skipping around the dorm and everyone at camp was pissed because they thought we got a complete steal.

And Lang Bang was a backup... I know this because I always wanted him to start... and thought him being included in the deal was the worst part of it. i chuckle back on that thought now.

freaking Barkley's back/knee and his inability to take care of himself. That team should have won two titles when Jordan was retired (and could have contended for more because if they had, they wouldn't have made that god-awful Hot Rod deal!).

I always liked Hornacek too so I prefer to think of the deal as Perry, Lang and David Thirdkill. We traded him to Detroit for the 2nd round pick that became Hornacek.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

technically, he didn't join Ainge. Ainge was signed after the trade.

Right.
Not to mention 1st rd pick Oliver Miller and former 2nd rd pick Dumas<who had already been drafted but not even remotely counted on to contribute that year.....which they both did IMO far beyond what was expected.

Barkley joined basically KJ,Majerle,Chambers.....including Ceballos and M.West in that is a stretch.
The Barkley trade gutted the starting lineup and team chemistry on paper,but immediate solid drafting(Miller),prior drafting(Dumas),player development(Ceballos) and FA(Ainge) erased that.

 

[carey]

Thanks for the history lesson.

That was the year we relocated to Phoenix (1992) and I was able to watch basketball regularly. I was born in '76 and never really got to see the Jazz. They were gone by '79 and I think the town as a whole was anti-basketball for a while.

 

[mojorizen7]

dude, come on... the entire city of Phoenix EXPLODED with that deal. We were all terrified we were gonna have to deal KJ to make that deal work and we only had to give up Horny (which was kinda painful, but not as painful as getting rid of KJ would have been). My friends and i were at Duke basketball camp when we heard the deal and we were skipping around the dorm and everyone at camp was pissed because they thought we got a complete steal.

And Lang Bang was a backup... I know this because I always wanted him to start... and thought him being included in the deal was the worst part of it. i chuckle back on that thought now.

freaking Barkley's back/knee and his inability to take care of himself. That team should have won two titles when Jordan was retired (and could have contended for more because if they had, they wouldn't have made that god-awful Hot Rod deal!).

I remember Cheese,you're right. I was pumped up too!
Lang was a starter though(im almost positive)...it was a bit risky at the time,thats all im saying. People forget the year Tim Perry had in '91-'92. It appeared that the light had come on after being a high draft pick.

Ahhh the memories of a team that really seemed to come together. Barkley had everyone believing in destiny....except MJ.

Edit: Lang started 71 gms the year before the offseason trade. Just sayin.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Right.
Not to mention 1st rd pick Oliver Miller and former 2nd rd pick Dumas<who had already been drafted but not even remotely counted on to contribute that year.....which they both did IMO far beyond what was expected.

Barkley joined basically KJ,Majerle,Chambers.....including Ceballos and M.West in that is a stretch.

uh... why? West was the starter for the three years previous to Lang-Bang starting and had been since they made their run to the WCF four years earlier and Ced was a decent up and coming bench player who had some huge scoring outputs when given major minutes during the season. As to the rest of the team, Majerle was always in the running for 6th man of the year, Chambers was a 20 ppg scorer and KJ was a multiple All-Star. That team he was going to had a lot of talent already on it considering how big of a trade that was.

 

[Griffin]

Then there's also the trade that brought McDyess to Phoenix. The Suns only gave up draft picks, although a bunch of them, if I remember correctly, to get McDyess. It can be done. There are quality power forwards on bad teams that could be obtained for the right price. Maybe not current/future superstars like Barkley was or McDyess might have become, but good enough to help us immediately. But, I have very little confidence that our current owner and management can get something like that done.

 

[mojorizen7]

uh... why? West was the starter for the three years previous to Lang-Bang starting and had been since they made their run to the WCF four years earlier and Ced was a decent up and coming bench player who had some huge scoring outputs when given major minutes during the season. As to the rest of the team, Majerle was always in the running for 6th man of the year, Chambers was a 20 ppg scorer and KJ was a multiple All-Star. That team he was going to had a lot of talent already on it considering how big of a trade that was.

The only thing Ceballos had done prior to the Finals year was win a slam dunk contest. He came into his own in '93. Excellent timing.

I loved Big Daddy West(he who could not guard anyone according to the refs),but he was very much on the decline by '93....hence losing his starting position in '91 and the drafting of center O.Miller in '92.

I already mentioned KJ,Majerle and Chambers as "the core talent" that Barkley joined. I'm not sure why you're trying to talk me into believing they were legit pieces.....i acknowledged that.

What are we debating?

 

[mojorizen7]

Then there's also the trade that brought McDyess to Phoenix. The Suns only gave up draft picks, although a bunch of them, if I remember correctly, to get McDyess. It can be done. There are quality power forwards on bad teams that could be obtained for the right price. Maybe not current/future superstars like Barkley was or McDyess might have become, but good enough to help us immediately. But, I have very little confidence that our current owner and management can get something like that done.

I think this was my original point with my "whats wrong with giving the farm" post.
I forgot,i'm now debating the value of the remaining pieces left after Barkley was aquired.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think this was my original point with my "whats wrong with giving the farm" post.
I forgot,i'm now debating the value of the remaining pieces left after Barkley was aquired.

I have no problem giving up pretty much anything we have to acquire a young talented power forward. What I don't want to see is us trading away what little future we have for a topped out (or nearly topped out) player that is only marginally better than what we currently have. Hickson or Millsap at a reasonable price, yes, but neither one is a future star. In fact, they aren't much more than barely serviceable.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

I have no problem giving up pretty much anything we have to acquire a young talented power forward. What I don't want to see is us trading away what little future we have for a topped out (or nearly topped out) player that is only marginally better than what we currently have. Hickson or Millsap at a reasonable price, yes, but neither one is a future star. In fact, they aren't much more than barely serviceable.

Steve

Agreed. Those two particular players are not even close to being "farm worthy."

Lets go back in time to before the JRich trade.
Lets suppose,hypothetically,for arguments sake.....

(and this IS NOT intended to be a parallel to the Barkley trade. Not the same thing. Forget about that)

.........that OKC was shopping K.Durant for some reason.....maybe he had a run-in with the law,maybe he was busted downtown for jaywalking(it doesn't matter why for this discussion).

Would you have been willing to trade Nash,JRich,Dudley,Frye,Lopez,2011 1st rd pick and future considerations for Kevin Durant last summer? Assuming Durant was on a long-term deal of course....

That would basically give you one the top 3 best young players in the league and leave you with nothing else. You then would be forced to build around him with zero assets.

Is that better than waiting years and years and years for an oppourtunity to just somehow "land" or "luck into" a player like that?
Of course it is.