Round 2 Decision

[DVontel]

No thanks on Deone Walker.

 

[Chopper0080]

No thanks on Deone Walker.

Similar reasons you didn’t care for DVondre Sweat last year?

 

[DVontel]

Similar reasons you didn’t care for DVondre Sweat last year?

I just thought Sweat was too big & it didn’t help he caught a DWI leading up to the draft. I liked Sweat more overall than Walker though.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When looking at possible draftees, put motor high on your list of traits.
Gannon talks about that aspect a lot.

 

[Chopper0080]

When looking at possible draftees, put motor high on your list of traits.
Gannon talks about that aspect a lot.

It's one of the things I like about Deone Walker. He played a ton of snaps per game. That is rare for a guy of his size in college.

 

[phillycard]

He’s only 25? Feels like he’s been around for 10 years

Right??!! I just said the same thing!

 

[Chopper0080]

If we go free agent end I want chase young….only 25 and has proved he can stay on the field…2 year 35 million

I think that would be an overpay but he is starting to look more intriguing.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think that would be an overpay but he is starting to look more intriguing.

Could have had him for a lot less than that this last offseason.

 

[Harry]

Tankathon has Alfred Collins going to the Cards in round 2! I like the pick assuming they go Edge in Round 1. He’s a little raw but has a great motor and tons of physical tools. He has a ferocious, bull rush mentality, but needs to refine technique. He attempts various moves but lacks the polish to make them fully effective. He’s quick and can penetrate now. He uses his hands well and can shed blockers effectively. Collins never seems discouraged by double teams. He’s a solid tackler so when he gets his hands on someone he usually lands them. Collins is very aware and frequently deflects passes. He’s quick enough to exploit stunts. Like many tall players he can get upright, sacrificing his leverage. This kid wants to win and wants to be good. He fits the Cards mentality. In their system he should become a force.

 

[DVontel]

Tankathon has Alfred Collins going to the Cards in round 2! I like the pick assuming they go Edge in Round 1. He’s a little raw but has a great motor and tons of physical tools. He has a ferocious, bull rush mentality, but needs to refine technique. He attempts various moves but lacks the polish to make them fully effective. He’s quick and can penetrate now. He uses his hands well and can shed blockers effectively. Collins never seems discouraged by double teams. He’s a solid tackler so when he gets his hands on someone he usually lands them. Collins is very aware and frequently deflects passes. He’s quick enough to exploit stunts. Like many tall players he can get upright, sacrificing his leverage. This kid wants to win and wants to be good. He fits the Cards mentality. In their system he should become a force.

Now we’re talking @Chopper0080

 

[Chopper0080]

Tankathon has Alfred Collins going to the Cards in round 2! I like the pick assuming they go Edge in Round 1. He’s a little raw but has a great motor and tons of physical tools. He has a ferocious, bull rush mentality, but needs to refine technique. He attempts various moves but lacks the polish to make them fully effective. He’s quick and can penetrate now. He uses his hands well and can shed blockers effectively. Collins never seems discouraged by double teams. He’s a solid tackler so when he gets his hands on someone he usually lands them. Collins is very aware and frequently deflects passes. He’s quick enough to exploit stunts. Like many tall players he can get upright, sacrificing his leverage. This kid wants to win and wants to be good. He fits the Cards mentality. In their system he should become a force.

I just started looking at some of his games today at lunch.

 

[Chopper0080]

Now we’re talking @Chopper0080

Not now. I am watching Kenneth Grant chase down RBs 20 yards down the field and dropping into coverage, breaking up passes.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kenneth Grant has 10 pass defenses in the past two seasons at Michigan. I know you mentioned him earlier this year @DVontel but he is 21 and playing really aware and athletic football.

 

[Chopper0080]

and I am sorry for those who are new to the draft prospects this year. Kenneth Grant has no part of round 2. Completely off topic.

 

[Shane]

and I am sorry for those who are new to the draft prospects this year. Kenneth Grant has no part of round 2. Completely off topic.

1??

 

[oaken1]

1??

Top 15

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Kenneth Grant has 10 pass defenses in the past two seasons at Michigan. I know you mentioned him earlier this year @DVontel but he is 21 and playing really aware and athletic football.

That’s the less talented DT at Michigan, right?

 

[Chopper0080]

That’s the less talented DT at Michigan, right?

Less talented? Maybe. Both look like they could be special. IMO. Not many 335 lb dudes move like Grant. I am sure there are highlight vids on YouTube that will summarize him pretty quickly if you want to watch.

 

[Chopper0080]

1??

He is a first rounder for sure IMO. How teams perceive his pass rush ability will determine where in the 1st round he goes.

 

[Chopper0080]

It's early but I haven't seen many DTs consistently get off the ball quicker than Omarr Norman-Lott from Tennessee. Very little hesitation and delay from snap to his first step. He would be a consideration in round 2 if he was available and nothing crazy pops up.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Less talented? Maybe. Both look like they could be special. IMO. Not many 335 lb dudes move like Grant. I am sure there are highlight vids on YouTube that will summarize him pretty quickly if you want to watch.

I watched a bunch of Michigan this year, I just mix up the names of the two stud tackles. Hence my question about which is considered more talented. The mocks seem place a 10-15 pick differential to them.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I watched a bunch of Michigan this year, I just mix up the names of the two stud tackles. Hence my question about which is considered more talented. The mocks seem place a 10-15 pick differential to them.

That's what happens when you get old.

 

[Harry]

I just started looking at some of his games today at lunch.

What did you think of Collins? They have to take Grant unless some Edge drops dramatically. I love Grant.

 

[Chopper0080]

What did you think of Collins? They have to take Grant unless some Edge drops dramatically. I love Grant.

I see what you are saying about him standing up at the snap at times. Looks like he can get off blocks to make tackles on RBs which is underrated IMO. He can get after the QB when he gets on the shoulder of an OL. His arms look long. I like DL in that 6'3 to 6'5 range which he hits. A little bit older prospect. I worry about Collins not having more than 2 sacks in a 5 year career.

I can see why he is a 2nd round prospect. A little bit of a high floor, low ceiling guy but that is just from a small sample size.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's what happens when you get old.

It’s more the age makes me care less about learning which is which.