Rumor: Cardinals to franchise tag Calais Campbell

[Crazy Canuck]

It has nothing to do with him not being signed.

It is the illogical reasoning not to sign him sooner.

There is certain "illogic" in suggesting what should or should not have been done without knowing the detail of the exchange between the interested parties.

 

[kerouac9]

I believe that Javon Walker was traded to Oakland or Denver. They got draft pick compensation for that deal, and the team that dealt for him didn't re-sign him (IIRC because he suffered a devestating knee injury after a contract holdout and never recovered).

There's plenty of time to be miserable about this, but there's still two or three weeks before teams announce Franchise tags. Can't we postpone the misery and disappointment until it's actually deserved?

 

[Duckjake]

Finally, a voice of reason.. Rolle is the only one who left that I would have liked see stay.

I don't mind them tagging CC as long as this doesn't turn into a Dansby situation.

So basically the Cards have done a horrendous job of drafting in the first round which led to them dumping all their 1st round picks except Fitz and Levi from 2000-2008.

But you miss the real point. When you continually miss on draft picks or keep losing guys as free agents you never build the veteran team that wins. You also miss the opportunity to add talent and instead just keep replacing it. People can make all the excuses they want for the Front Office but that doesn't help us get to watch the Cards win football games in week 18 or 19.

I don't know how many times I've posted to remind fans that the 2008 and 2009 playoff teams had the most veteran players on the roster in years. Too many ignore that fact and claim it was all Warner.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

There is certain "illogic" in suggesting what should or should not have been done without knowing the detail of the exchange between the interested parties.

Agreed.

There is also two decades of NFL history that show, regardless of details concerning interested parties, that the Cardinals are pretty blind, and poor negotiators if they cannot get this done.

What ? Are they hoping to anger Campbell, and his representation so they can run him out of town, ala Anquan Boldin ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Can't we postpone the misery and disappointment until it's actually deserved?

I thought the situation was at a point where it was deserved.

 

[BigRedRage]

The only "news" on this is they are working on a long term deal and expect it done. This thread is purely speculation.

 

[40yearfan]

I believe that Javon Walker was traded to Oakland or Denver. They got draft pick compensation for that deal, and the team that dealt for him didn't re-sign him (IIRC because he suffered a devestating knee injury after a contract holdout and never recovered).

There's plenty of time to be miserable about this, but there's still two or three weeks before teams announce Franchise tags. Can't we postpone the misery and disappointment until it's actually deserved?

AMEN!!!

 

[40yearfan]

Agreed.

There is also two decades of NFL history that show, regardless of details concerning interested parties, that the Cardinals are pretty blind, and poor negotiators if they cannot get this done.

What ? Are they hoping to anger Campbell, and his representation so they can run him out of town, ala Anquan Boldin ?

Anquan ran himself out of town. He wanted a new contract when his old one was less than 2 years old (4 year contract). It's hard to become the #2 when you are used to being the #1.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Agreed.

There is also two decades of NFL history that show, regardless of details concerning interested parties, that the Cardinals are pretty blind, and poor negotiators if they cannot get this done.

What ? Are they hoping to anger Campbell, and his representation so they can run him out of town, ala Anquan Boldin ?

There is no such thing. It's all in the details.

There is only one way to be absolutely certain that a smile never leaves CC's face and that is to give him exactly what his reps want. Short of that, there will be too-and-fro.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

There is no such thing. It's all in the details.

Hogwash.

3 decades of NFL free agency dictates that if you want the player, then you can sign the player.

Details are nothing more than issues to dicuss, and work out. How fast you do so, is a matter of business savy, and experience.

Sitting around waiting for details to sort themselves out would sound what the Cardinals seem to do year after year.

They waited around for details to sort out about Boldin, and he went bye-bye cause he was: A. Tired of waiting, and B. Took the Cardinals wait & see attitude as an insult.

We are not talking about signing the back-up place holder, we are talking about signing a young phenom of a defensive player. I understand the Cardinals are upset that Campbell went out and had such an outstanding, and noticable year, and ruined there chances to pick him up at a discount, but at some point the organization has to start acting like a professional organization, and pay those who make the team competitive.

Nothing against the Bad Ottis's of the world, but I would be nice to see this organization do something other than wait till they can get the Bidwill discount to sign players.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Anquan ran himself out of town. He wanted a new contract when his old one was less than 2 years old (4 year contract). It's hard to become the #2 when you are used to being the #1.

Business is business. Did we forget that already after 8 months.

You deal with the situations, you know, like other professional ball clubs.

But you are right. Breaston, Doucet, Roberts, and the rest have been very good replacements for what this organization lost in Anquan Boldin.


And I am more than sure, when Calais Campbell leaves, either this season or the next, we will adequately replace him as well. Nothing a UDFA can't fix.

 

[BigRedRage]

Business is business. Did we forget that already after 8 months.

You deal with the situations, you know, like other professional ball clubs.

But you are right. Breaston, Doucet, Roberts, and the rest have been very good replacements for what this organization lost in Anquan Boldin.


And I am more than sure, when Calais Campbell leaves, either this season or the next, we will adequately replace him as well. Nothing a UDFA can't fix.

to be fair, we replaced antonio smith with calais, worked out great.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Hogwash.

3 decades of NFL free agency dictates that if you want the player, then you can sign the player.

Details are nothing more than issues to dicuss, and work out. How fast you do so, is a matter of business savy, and experience.

Sitting around waiting for details to sort themselves out would sound what the Cardinals seem to do year after year.

They waited around for details to sort out about Boldin, and he went bye-bye cause he was: A. Tired of waiting, and B. Took the Cardinals wait & see attitude as an insult.

We are not talking about signing the back-up place holder, we are talking about signing a young phenom of a defensive player. I understand the Cardinals are upset that Campbell went out and had such an outstanding, and noticable year, and ruined there chances to pick him up at a discount, but at some point the organization has to start acting like a professional organization, and pay those who make the team competitive.

Nothing against the Bad Ottis's of the world, but I would be nice to see this organization do something other than wait till they can get the Bidwill discount to sign players.

To use your favoured term: Hogwash!

If nothing else, the Fitz contract would tell you that Cards are willing to invest in excellence; to this one could add the Wilson and Dockett deals. And, whether it works out or not, the Kolb deal was an aggressive pursuit to improve this team.

I would imagine that you would be a bit more "detail" oriented if it was your $$$; your CAP and overall budget to manage and the precedence you want to set for future contract negotiations, which is precisely the concerns managed and addressed in every front office.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There is certain "illogic" in suggesting what should or should not have been done without knowing the detail of the exchange between the interested parties.

we know that midway during the season, apparently they weren't even talking to CC about an extension. that in of itself is illogical.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There's plenty of time to be miserable about this, but there's still two or three weeks before teams announce Franchise tags. Can't we postpone the misery and disappointment until it's actually deserved?

where's the fun in that?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

To use your favoured term: Hogwash!

Well it IS a good line.

It give the contrary, and challenging tone, yet it is such an old term it that it is not instigating.

As for the debate:

If you want the player, then sign him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Well it IS a good line.

It give the contrary, and challenging tone, yet it is such an old term it that it is not instigating.

As for the debate:

If you want the player, then sign him.

Agreed. Now let's leave them to work out the "details"...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

2000

So since 2000 the Cards have had 1 guy stay longer than their rookie contract, the Saints have had 3, and the Packers 4. Not like they are miles apart from each other.

lol, "not like they are miles apart."

Saints - 50% retention
Packers - 38% retention
Cardinals - 13% retention

Those are miles.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

2000
AZ- Thomas Jones (Left)
NO- No 1st rounder
GB- Bubba Franks

2001
AZ- Leonard Davis (Left)
NO- Duece McCallister
GB- Jamal Reynolds (Left)

2002
AZ- Wendell Bryant (Left)
NO- Donte Stallworth (left) & Charles Grant
GB- Javon Walker (left)

2003
AZ- Bryant Johnson (Left) & Calvin Pace (Left)
NO- Johnathan Sullivan (Left)
GB- Nick Barnett

2004
AZ- Larry Fitzgerald
NO- Will Smith
GB- Ahmad Carrol (Left)

2005
AZ- Antrel Rolle (Left)
NO- Jammal Brown (Left)
GB- Aaron Rodgers

2006
AZ- Matt Leinart (Left)
NO- Reggie Bush (Left)
GB- AJ Hawk

2007
AZ- Levi Brown
GB- Robert Mecham
GB- Justin Harrell (Left)

So since 2000 the Cards have had 1 guy stay longer than their rookie contract, the Saints have had 3, and the Packers 4. Not like they are miles apart from each other.

You also have to factor in the guys leaving NO and GB, Carroll, Harrel, Reynolds, Stallworth, and Brown either showed they couldn't play in the league or had injury issues (Stallworth,Bush, Brown). The only guys the Cards let go that couldn't play were Leinart and Bryant.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You also have to factor in the guys leaving NO and GB, Carroll, Harrel, Reynolds, Stallworth, and Brown either showed they couldn't play in the league or had injury issues (Stallworth,Bush, Brown). The only guys the Cards let go that couldn't play were Leinart and Bryant.

stop providing context to the argument!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

WHYS AND WHEREFORS:

2000
AZ- Thomas Jones (Left)

* Considered a malingerer by many on this board.

2001
AZ- Leonard Davis (Left)

* Rec'd a 48M deal to play r-guard in Dallas. Don't recall too many who believed that Mr. False Start was worth that coin at any position.

2002
AZ- Wendell Bryant (Left)

* Bust and out of the league before his first contract expired.

2003
AZ- Bryant Johnson (Left)

* mediocre receiver who at best was a no. 3 in AZ

AZ - Calvin Pace (Left)

* solid in his last year, which got him a huge contract in NY, and, again, most believed that he was grossly overpaid. The contract was also instrumental in making negotiations with Dansby problematic.

2004
AZ- Larry Fitzgerald

2005
AZ- Antrel Rolle (Left)

* Turned down a lucrative deal in AZ for one in NY that made him the highest paid Safety at the time. Few on this board believed he was worth that $$$, and many believe he was adequately replaced by Rhodes.

2006
AZ- Matt Leinart (Left)

* Didn't like how this ended, but, he had as many detractors as supporters on this board.

2007
AZ- Levi Brown

* Left to be seen how they deal with him.

those are all reasonable arguments, but what they ignore are two items (a) some good players got away because we either didn't coach them up or make them happy here and (b) we let some of those players get to the point where they had us over a barrel instead of having foresight and locking them up earlier. both are scathing indictments of a poor organization.

 

[Duckjake]

to be fair, we replaced antonio smith with calais, worked out great.

That was a different situation. For once the Cards had a young player on the roster ready to step in. That's the way to work the system. (Even better is to have the young player ready to replace the 30 year old guy coming to the end of his 2nd contract.) To some extent that was also the situation with Boldin. However, neither Breaston, Doucet, nor Roberts have been able to play like the Q. But at least the Cards had guys on the team to man the vacated position. There is no one on the roster to replace Campbell.

To let guys leave that you can afford to sign when there is no replacement on the roster is what causes problems. That's when you have to replace talent rather than adding to it and adversely impacts your ability to draft BPA.

I'll say it again. Daryl Washington has to not only be better than Dansby he also has to add as much to the team as Dansby and the player the Cardinals could have taken in the 2nd round if they hadn't had to draft Daryl to replace Karlos.





Like Jimmy Clausen for instance.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

lol, "not like they are miles apart."

Saints - 50% retention
Packers - 38% retention
Cardinals - 13% retention

Those are miles.

One man's miles, is another's details.

 

[BigRedRage]

I like washington as much as i liked dansby

 

[Stout]

to be fair, we replaced antonio smith with calais, worked out great.

Yes, but wouldn't it be nice to actually add talent rather than replace it?