*RUMOR* Diaw back to Phx *RUMOR*

[SunsTzu]

Never mind the fact that the Suns will be paying Mohammed, Childress, and Warrick a combined $17.4 million to play zero minutes.

I can't understand how anyone could find this trade remotely palatable to the Suns. It's unspeakably horrible.

Will be paying Thomas to not play too since he isn't scheduled back until the very tail end of the season.

Horrible, horrible deal for the Suns. Don't understand why anyone wants Thomas at all, sure Nash would probably make him look good but it seems unlikely Nash will be on the team beyond next year and the Suns would have a roster full of guys that are completely dependent on him.

 

[elindholm]

Just to let everyone know, Ray Ray, the guy on RealGM that posted this rumor, IS a legit guy.

Then it's awfully strange that no remotely credible media source -- RealGM obviously does not qualify -- has picked up on it. Generally if a rumor has any legs at all, everyone is on it within 24 hours.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This trade is flat-out awful for the Suns and I'm counting on the fact that there is nothing to the rumor. It's debatable whether Diaw is even a better player than Warrick at this point. Warrick is a better scorer and rebounder; Diaw a better passer and defender. We all know that Diaw has more talent, but that's irrelevant because he almost never applies it.
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I cannot imagine this trade being real. The Suns are not actively trying to make deals although they are listening. The teams that are the initiators are usually the losers in trades.

Babby might be terrible to listen to, but negotiating is his bread and butter. I just cannot see something like this happening.

I think the Orlando deal is a better representative of the type of thing Babby might do.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the Orlando deal is a better representative of the type of thing Babby might do.

This is my hope as well.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Just to let everyone know, Ray Ray, the guy on RealGM that posted this rumor, IS a legit guy. He broke the Orlando deal almost a week before it happened. He's also the one that posted that we were waiting until 18 Feb to do a deal around Lopez/Carter for Josh Smith, but apparently either the Suns are/have reconsidered that or Atlanta has, if this deal is being discussed.

IMO the only reason I would think the Suns aren't interested in Thomas is the fact that he hasn't been able to stay healthy, even going back to his time in Chicago. They may be worried that they'll get good production from him for a little while, then down with injury for awhile, ala Lopez. Personally, I do the original deal and take Thomas. I think with our new bigs rotation, we become a very good team and go deep in the playoffs with Nash leading the way. Thomas would beast with Nash.

I think he is a guy that made a lucky guess and now passes himself off as an insider. I have connections deep inside the Cardinals organization and believe me, I won't be posting on any boards about info I get from my relative there. In fact, we purposely don't even talk about it. A confidentiality break could sacrifice a dream job.

 

[joshstmarie]

That board is a nerd haven of NBA 2k11 GMs that really dont have a clue about basketball besides throwing up ridiculous trades in a trade checker.

 

[sunsfan88]

I wish the Suns could work something out for Josh Smith without giving up Nash, Gortat or Dudley.

 

[carey]

I wish the Suns could work something out for Josh Smith without giving up Nash, Gortat or Dudley.

I just read this exact post on RealGM.

 

[sunsfan88]

I just read this exact post on RealGM.

And the guy who posted it has the same exact username!

 

[Folster]

I wish the Suns could work something out for Josh Smith without giving up Nash, Gortat or Dudley.

I was thinking the same thing. Here's the improbable framework of a trade I came up with that includes the Phoenix and Orlando pick going to Charlotte.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6gk4glh
or
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=69k8j6w

Suns get Josh Smith and Marvin Williams, the latter of which the Hawks have been trying to move.
Atlanta gets upgrades at the 3 with Gerald Wallace, and at the 5 with Lopez. Horford can now move down to the 4, and Thomas provides a less-talented, but cheaper version of Smith.
Charlotte gets Vince Carter's quasi-expiring contract and both the Phoenix and Orlando first round picks while clearing a ton of capspace.

The Suns come out as the big winners of this trade even though they get yet another wing with Williams. Atlanta balances their roster, adds a tough vet in Wallace, a legit center to pair with Horford, and saves some long term money by moving. Charlotte is the big loser talent-wise and in order for them to sign-off on a deal like this they'd have to be going for a total rebuild. Obviously other players could be added to satisfy all parties involved. As a Suns fan, I'd be willing to add Dragic or anyone else outside of Nash and Gortat to get this deal done.

Nash, Dudley, Hill, Smith, Gortat
Dragic, Pietrus, Williams, Warrick, Frye

Don't bother telling me this trade has a snowball's chance in hell of happening. I know.

 

[devilalum]

I was thinking the same thing. Here's the improbable framework of a trade I came up with that includes the Phoenix and Orlando pick going to Charlotte.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6gk4glh
or
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=69k8j6w

Suns get Josh Smith and Marvin Williams, the latter of which the Hawks have been trying to move.
Atlanta gets upgrades at the 3 with Gerald Wallace, and at the 5 with Lopez. Horford can now move down to the 4, and Thomas provides a less-talented, but cheaper version of Smith.
Charlotte gets Vince Carter's quasi-expiring contract and both the Phoenix and Orlando first round picks while clearing a ton of capspace.

The Suns come out as the big winners of this trade even though they get yet another wing with Williams. Atlanta balances their roster, adds a tough vet in Wallace, a legit center to pair with Horford, and saves some long term money by moving. Charlotte is the big loser talent-wise and in order for them to sign-off on a deal like this they'd have to be going for a total rebuild. Obviously other players could be added to satisfy all parties involved. As a Suns fan, I'd be willing to add Dragic or anyone else outside of Nash and Gortat to get this deal done.

Nash, Dudley, Hill, Smith, Gortat
Dragic, Pietrus, Williams, Warrick, Frye

Don't bother telling me this trade has a snowball's chance in hell of happening. I know.

Neither one of those deals saves the HAwks any money.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yea also Bobcats are probably gonna want more.

Here's something I just drew up;

Phoenix gets:

Josh Smith
Jeff Teague
Thabeet

Atlanta gets:

Vince Carter (expiring contract)
Goran Dragic
OJ Mayo
Robin Lopez

Memphis gets:

Jamal Crawford
1st rd pick from PHX & another 1st rd pick from Atlanta

I have heard that the Hawks need a PG that is a good defender and can shoot 3s well. That basically describes Goran Dragic. He was a big part of our team last year & I'd hate to give him up but we desperately need a PF. Also Lopez has potential & has shown signs of being real good so it allows them to move Horford to the 4 spot. The addition of OJ Mayo & Carter make them one of the deepest teams in the NBA.

Memphis gets rid of Mayo who is having off-court trouble for them. They get Crawford who is an expiring & can help them push for the playoffs. They also get two 1st rd picks....

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=64jda79

 

[Evil Ash]

The Diaw deal as it was explained on realgm was likely complete speculation. His wording in the original post hints at it. "Don't be surprised if" isn't strong wording for someone with insider knowledge.

He may have heard something along the lines of the Suns are talking to the Bobcats about a trade but it is highly unlikely a source would give out all that info. You don't hear about specifics like that unless the deal is done and players are taking their physicals.

 

[elindholm]

The Diaw deal as it was explained on realgm was likely complete speculation. His wording in the original post hints at it. "Don't be surprised if" isn't strong wording for someone with insider knowledge.

Right, this is the trademark of someone who is throwing darts at a board and hoping to come off as hundreds of times more knowledgeable than he is.

I mean, come on, I called the Orlando trade too (except for the inclusion of Clark/Pietrus), but that was just luck. It doesn't make me an insider.

 

[Mainstreet]

Right, this is the trademark of someone who is throwing darts at a board and hoping to come off as hundreds of times more knowledgeable than he is.

I mean, come on, I called the Orlando trade too (except for the inclusion of Clark/Pietrus), but that was just luck. It doesn't make me an insider.

Some people are better throwing darts than others. We can make you are designated dart thrower.

 

[elindholm]

Some people are better throwing darts than others. We can make you are designated dart thrower.

Thanks, but that's my only true hit in several dozen attempts, so my percentage is pretty low.

 

[Folster]

I was drawn to this site some years ago to share inside information that I received. My old boss was a season ticket holder and had a close friend who worked with the Suns. The friend wasn't a big wig, but his job required him to travel with the Suns on their road trips. I met him a few times and I could see him next to the bench at their games. My boss would often pass on info that he heard to me because he knew I was a big Suns fan. When the Suns lost JJ, he told me that the Suns would be acquiring a former Maverick teammate of Nash who played guard, but could not remember his name was Raja Bell because his knowledge of non-Suns players was poor. He also told me that the Suns were getting Tim Thomas well before it was known because his buddy had told him that they already ordered his locker placard. He told me a few other things that never materialized either. For instance, the season of Stoudemire's micro-fracture, Memphis and Phoenix were discussing a Gasol for Stoudemire swap during the All-star break.

Sadly my boss resigned and passed away shortly at a fairly young age due to heart problems. Because of my experience, I can half-way believe some of the people that share info that they hear. If you hear something and share it, that is awesome. But the guys who use the info or make up the info to exalt themselves and inflate their self on a message board is ridiculous.

 

[Errntknght]

Right, this is the trademark of someone who is throwing darts at a board and hoping to come off as hundreds of times more knowledgeable than he is.

I mean, come on, I called the Orlando trade too (except for the inclusion of Clark/Pietrus), but that was just luck. It doesn't make me an insider.

The Orlando trade was more than throwing darts since that was one team that might welcome Turkoglu. I speculate on a trade about once every three years but Hedo had me racking my brain for a place we might profitably send him. I speculated there might be chance we could send him for Gortat or Bass, if we'd throw in a bit more and take Pietrus off their hands. (I must admit I didn't contemplate including Richardson for VC.)

The other possible destination for Hedo I thought was Sacramento since they needed playmaking in the worst way and they could well afford to part with Dalembert and still not have to play Turk at PF.

 

[Mainstreet]

The other possible destination for Hedo I thought was Sacramento since they needed playmaking in the worst way and they could well afford to part with Dalembert and still not have to play Turk at PF.

Also Hedo previously played well for the Kings as he did for the Magic.

 

[ninous26]

Serious, no joke.

Today I heard from a regular customer that works for the suns that Sarver wants to have his son who is in college to play for the suns.

I am scared to post anything on this forum anymore if its not in a game thread because of how other members can be so hostile towards one another.. I mean, one person disagrees with you and your head gets bitten off.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Serious, no joke.

Today I heard from a regular customer that works for the suns that Sarver wants to have his son who is in college to play for the suns.

I am scared to post anything on this forum anymore if its not in a game thread because of how other members can be so hostile towards one another.. I mean, one person disagrees with you and your head gets bitten off.

Well, put your hat on your neck and get out! Okay, it's not all that fitting but it's one of my favorite lines from one of the weaker Marx Brother's movies. I think you're safe with this kind of stuff if you add the proper disclaimers.

Steve

 

[BC867]

At 6'8" - 215, Boris Diaw is bigger than Josh Childress (6'8" - 209), but only by six pounds.

He is smaller than both Grant Hill (6'8" - 225) and Hakim Warrick (6'9" - 219).

Another Suns thread about trading for a Power Forward under 6'9" - 230.

I've never heard the expression quoted as, "Set your sights low."

Do the Suns front office and fans have a collective NBA inferiority complex?

 

[Folster]

At 6'8" - 215, Boris Diaw is bigger than Josh Childress (6'8" - 209), but only by six pounds.

You are crazy if you think Boris Diaw is only 215lbs. NBA.com has him listed at 235 and I question that as conservative. The Suns just played the Bobcats a couple weeks ago. You can see right?

 

[JCSunsfan]

You are crazy if you think Boris Diaw is only 215lbs. NBA.com has him listed at 235 and I question that as conservative. The Suns just played the Bobcats a couple weeks ago. You can see right?

You know that's right.

 

[BC867]

You are crazy if you think Boris Diaw is only 215lbs. NBA.com has him listed at 235 and I question that as conservative. The Suns just played the Bobcats a couple weeks ago. You can see right?

My source was BaseballReference.com, who lists Diaw as 6'8" - 215.

But you're right. NBA.com and ESPN.go.com both show him as 6'8 - 235.

SportsIllustrated.CNN.com says 6'8" - 245.

I guess he's gained some weight since DraftExpress.com reported him at 6'8 - 203.

Thanks for correcting it. While we're talking about it, do you think that Boris (whom some of our posters referred to as Doris while he was with the Suns) has both the bulk and power of a Power Forward?

I can't help but think of all those games when Channing Frye's 6'11" - 248 didn't translate to power in the post. It's still inconsistent on any given night.

What is your opinion?