Rumor: Marion to CHI for Chandler and #2

[abomb]

Saw this on Hoops Hype, but didnt see it anywhere else on this board;

http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I'd rather they keep Chandler and give us Gordon and Nocioni so we could draft Aldridge. Heck, as compensation for them taking on the additional salary, I'd give them #21 as well....

Then maybe we could package Barbosa, Jones and #27 for someone like Ridnour, or another young PG....

Nash/Ridnour
Bell/Gordon
Diaw/Nocioni
Stoudemire/TThomas
Aldridge/KThomas

 

[JCSunsfan]

We have actually been discussing this one for a week or so. The rumor started in Chicago--and not with team personnel.

 

[asudevil83]

it would be nice to get either Deng or Nocioni, but i just dont see that happening.

the reason Chicago would include Chandler in the deal is that 1.) he's making a hell of a lot of money and 2.) including him still makes Chicago FA player this offseason in which they could go after a guy like Ben Wallace.

but it makes more sense to swap out Deng or Nocioni roster wise. that's quite a glut of guys at the SF/undersized PF slot.

i will say that this offseason we will either be a non-factor in trades or that we'll be THE busiest making deals. we could see quite a roster turnover.

 

[slinslin]

I would do it...but I would like to think we could squeeze out a little bit more.

 

[asudevil83]

I would do it...but I would like to think we could squeeze out a little bit more.

the problem is that its most likely that we are iniciating the trade.....so therefore Chicago has more leverage.

they dont NEED to make a trade for Marion, but we NEED to make a trade of Marion IF we are doing anything for financial reasons.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I was thinking this:

Either Nocioni or Deng, Chris Duhon, and the # 2 pick

for Marion and the #21 pick.....

I would even include Barbosa in that trade but i think the salary difference is pretty disparate already. Is there anyone on that team who has a 5 million dollar salary that is disposable? Micheal Sweetney maybe?

 

[scoutmasterdave]

I would do it

I'm with you - I think I'd do it. Chandler's contract is pretty excessive for what he is - 6 years, $64M for a good defensive player and great rebounder with no offensive game.

The #2 pick, however, would be a very good, relatively cheap player for four years - I'd go for Gay, Thomas, or Morrison, since we would then need help at the 3.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm with you - I think I'd do it. Chandler's contract is pretty excessive for what he is - 6 years, $64M for a good defensive player and great rebounder with no offensive game.

The #2 pick, however, would be a very good, relatively cheap player for four years - I'd go for Gay, Thomas, or Morrison, since we would then need help at the 3.

There is one big problem with Chandler that we are not taking into account (besides his long bloated contract he got last summer). Amare and Chandler HATE each other going back to high school. Team chemistry is one our best attributes and i would think adding a volatile Chandler to the mix leads to the possibility of poisioning the well. PLus he never can stay healthy.

If he could stay healthy then I think he could have great success on this team. However these trades are not done in a vacum and the other contingincies have to be taken into account......

 

[scoutmasterdave]

Amare and Chandler HATE each other going back to high school. Team chemistry is one our best attributes and i would think adding a volatile Chandler to the mix leads to the possibility of poisioning the well.

I would like to think that both are mature enough to let that slide if they were to become teammates.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I would like to think that both are mature enough to let that slide if they were to become teammates.

That would be nice but they are human beings too. I think there is too much bad blood to take that risk and risk alienating your best player. After his rookie season, STAT said some pretty disparaging things about Chandler that would be uncomfortable at the least if they were on the same team. If Amare signs off then it is all good but i have seen lesser situations turn out sourly so i dont think its a risk worth taking.

 

[JCSunsfan]

There is one big problem with Chandler that we are not taking into account (besides his long bloated contract he got last summer). Amare and Chandler HATE each other going back to high school. Team chemistry is one our best attributes and i would think adding a volatile Chandler to the mix leads to the possibility of poisioning the well. PLus he never can stay healthy.

If he could stay healthy then I think he could have great success on this team. However these trades are not done in a vacum and the other contingincies have to be taken into account......

I believe this is a huge exaggeration that has grown on message boards. They compete hard against each other on the court, but so have alot of players. I really doubt the relationship is on a Raja-Kobe level.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

You do not trade Big for small, Chandler and #2 is fair, but say Gordon and #2no way, as much as I like it, you do not down size the Suns. Chandler fits very well in the Suns system and I would not oppose this trade at all

 

[Divide Et Impera]

You do not trade Big for small, Chandler and #2 is fair, but say Gordon and #2no way, as much as I like it, you do not down size the Suns. Chandler fits very well in the Suns system and I would not oppose this trade at all

I fully disagree. You trade Marion for Gordon/Nocioni/#2 and draft Aldridge, Thomas or Barganani and the team gets A LOT deeper. We also put ourselves in a great position for other moves, especially considering Barbosa, Jones, Burke, Grant, #21 and #27....

 

[cepstrum]

IMO in no way do we do this. We are close to a championship and we cannot be making deals for cap relief. We don't get better next year with this deal (although it could work in our favor down the road). Every single move that we make this summer has to be for the sole purpose of getting better NEXT year. That's why I'm calling shenanigans on this rumor...

 

[The Commish]

I have never liked Chandler. His back problems really concern me, and just seems like a headcase. I would rather do a Marion/#21 for Deng/Gordon/#2 trade (or something like that). Gordon makes Barbosa expendable and you can trade him for another pick perhaps.

 

[Cheesebeef]

that deal sucks as does the deal to move up to 13.

 

[playstation]

i don't want to trade marion unless its for pierce/garnett (which is not happening).

he's a perfect fit for our team, and if we win the title next year, we may make so much money that its not required for us to get rid of him.

if need be, better to get rid of barbosa, get a marcus williams, and let tim thomas walk too if need be.

marion won't need to carry the team next year. he'll be option 4, maybe even 5. for a guy like him, that's PERFECT. he focuses on garbage points (there's nobody better in the league at getting those), boards like a beast, leads the fastbreak, and gets the hell out of everyone's way in set offense.

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK, I am not interested in trading Marion either. We are too close to a title to mess with the chemistry of this team. With Stoudemire coming back from injury, there would be just too many unknowns. But since this rumor is out there, let's look at the possibilities.

Chicago is WAY under the cap, so the trade doesn't have to be equal. I'm not sure what Chandler makes, Hoopshype doesn't have it (It would be great if free agents came off the cap before the draft, so that teams would be more free to deal at that time).

I assume Chandler is making somewhere around 10 million. We might be able to force them to take Burke or maybe Grant. So we save $6 million or so. Then it looks like House is planning on leaving, and Skita might get dropped also. That's another $1.8 between the two. So we could end up dropping about $8 million in salary. The #2 pick would command about $3.3 million. I think we could sign Tim Thomas for around $4 million. So the trade would be:

Marion
Grant
(House, Skita)

for

Chandler
Tim Thomas
#2 (Tyrus Thomas, Morrison?)


Nah, I'd still rather keep Marion. We need the rebounding. But Morrison would be intriguing in a Suns uni.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

OK, I am not interested in trading Marion either. We are too close to a title to mess with the chemistry of this team. With Stoudemire coming back from injury, there would be just too many unknowns. But since this rumor is out there, let's look at the possibilities.

Chicago is WAY under the cap, so the trade doesn't have to be equal. I'm not sure what Chandler makes, Hoopshype doesn't have it (It would be great if free agents came off the cap before the draft, so that teams would be more free to deal at that time).

I assume Chandler is making somewhere around 10 million. We might be able to force them to take Burke or maybe Grant. So we save $6 million or so. Then it looks like House is planning on leaving, and Skita might get dropped also. That's another $1.8 between the two. So we could end up dropping about $8 million in salary. The #2 pick would command about $3.3 million. I think we could sign Tim Thomas for around $4 million. So the trade would be:

Marion
Grant
(House, Skita)

for

Chandler
Tim Thomas
#2 (Tyrus Thomas, Adam Morrison?)


Nah, I'd still rather keep Marion. We need the rebounding. But Morrison would be intriguing in a Suns uni.

If it meant trading Marion to be able to keep TT, on top of getting back Chandler and the #2 pick, I'd do it.

In other words, Marion + filler < TT, Chandler, #2 pick

If you take TT out of the equation, it's a different story, though I think I might still do it.

 

[SweetD]

If the Bulls would take Kurt Thomas off our hands and we got Chandler and Nochi or Deng I might have to think about it.

 

[asudevil83]

If the Bulls would take Kurt Thomas off our hands and we got Chandler and Nochi or Deng I might have to think about it.

the bulls wouldnt do that. the whole point in including Chandler instead of Deng/Nocioni is that dumping Chandler would still allow them to be far enough under the cap to sign a big name free agent or a couple decent guys.

KT would just make adding Chandler null-and-void.

i will say though that IF this deal were to go through, KT would most certainly be gone unless we drafted Morrison.

 

[JCSunsfan]

the bulls wouldnt do that. the whole point in including Chandler instead of Deng/Nocioni is that dumping Chandler would still allow them to be far enough under the cap to sign a big name free agent or a couple decent guys.

KT would just make adding Chandler null-and-void.

i will say though that IF this deal were to go through, KT would most certainly be gone unless we drafted Morrison.

I think they would take KT. He is a Skiles type of player. They aren't going to get any FA's of comparable worth for the same money.

Besides, Hoopshype has them at 18 million in salary without Chandler, so that's probably somewhere around 28 with Chandler. They have 20 mil plus to spend of FA's. Right now they have more money than value available in the market.

Don't know why we would really want to get rid of KT though.

From Chicago's perspective, they could add KT, Marion, and a max free agent (Wallace?), for Chandler and the #2 pick. If I'm a Bulls fan, thats a no brainer.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

To me anything we get besides the number two pick is just gravy for the Suns. I could see Chandler, Nocioni, Deng, and Duhon all being productive players on this team. But to me the Suns are enamored with Thomas if they make this trade. BTW don't expect it to happen until after the first pick is made because I'm sure the front office is wary of letting thier old pal BC know what their true intentions are.

Thomas would be locked in for four years cheaply, is MORE athletic than Marion, and has more upside potential. Thomas has compared to Stoudemire because he is raw but very willing to work to get better. He is the type of player the Suns usually love and I'm sure Sarver likes the idea of getting 75% of Marions numbers for 1/4 the cost.

Saying all that I think we should trade for Nocioni or Deng over Chandler in this proposed scenario. I owuld rather no over rely on Thomas developing into a stud next year and have a guy who has played for a couple years in the 6-7 man rotation. Keep KT and one of the later picks and get big man depth there. I'm thinking Chandler's salary is what makes this deal work however.

Just depends on how much the Suns like Thomas. I trust their evaluations so if we pull this off, i will give them the benefit of the doubt......

 

[JCSunsfan]

To me anything we get besides the number two pick is just gravy for the Suns. I could see Chandler, Nocioni, Deng, and Duhon all being productive players on this team. But to me the Suns are enamored with Thomas if they make this trade. BTW don't expect it to happen until after the first pick is made because I'm sure the front office is wary of letting thier old pal BC know what their true intentions are.

Thomas would be locked in for four years cheaply, is MORE athletic than Marion, and has more upside potential. Thomas has compared to Stoudemire because he is raw but very willing to work to get better. He is the type of player the Suns usually love and I'm sure Sarver likes the idea of getting 75% of Marions numbers for 1/4 the cost.

Saying all that I think we should trade for Nocioni or Deng over Chandler in this proposed scenario. I owuld rather no over rely on Thomas developing into a stud next year and have a guy who has played for a couple years in the 6-7 man rotation. Keep KT and one of the later picks and get big man depth there. I'm thinking Chandler's salary is what makes this deal work however.

Just depends on how much the Suns like Thomas. I trust their evaluations so if we pull this off, i will give them the benefit of the doubt......

If I was DAntoni, I'd be pushing for Heinrich instead of Chandler. BTW, unless I missed something, we'd still have the #21 and #27. So you get Thomas at #2 and Sene and Boone. Maybe Sergio is still available?