Ryan Williams out for the season.

[Cbus cardsfan]

What's wrong with this guy?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15041/type/college/dan-herron

He's on the Bengals practice squad.

There's nothing wrong with him. He could fill in. He's basically just a guy. Average speed and elusiveness. He definitely got better evey year at OSU though and was productive for them. I think he could be better than Powell or Smith, but that's not saying a whole lot. IIRC, he ran a slower than expected time at the combine. Maybe 4.6 something.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's not Whiz' job to trade for a RB though it's Graves'. Whiz should tell him if he needs one or not, and i think we do, but Graves does the actual trade.

Williams still has talent, I really like Ben Tate of Houston and there are others.

The problem with Tate is they play a totally different system in Houston with zone blocking and the reason he doesn't play more is he's not nearly the receiver Foster is. Good player though.

Williams hasn't seemed to be the same since his ankle surgery, which was suppsoed to be minor.

The guy I would love to have now is not available, Michael Bush, big strong push the pile guy who's also an excellent receiver. Perfect for this crappy OL.

 

[JC_AZ]

I think the Rams need a receiver or two...for this OL I think we need Steven Jackson...I know, the Division 'thing' is an issue...but not many like him that have something left to prove

 

[NJCardFan]

We need a RB and what do we do? Sign a CB.

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[Crazy Canuck]

We need a RB and what do we do? Sign a CB.

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Not according to Whiz at this time. However, Toler did come up limping after being beat on the long TD... so, perhaps, they do need CB depth.

It really doesn't matter who's running the ball if the O-line opens holes.

 

[conraddobler]

I feel sorry for the kid but this isn't that big a deal.

How many TD's just got lost?

How many yards?

He wasn't producing that many of either, we can plug anyone in to get stuffed 3 yards in the backfield, heck just start running QB sneaks, Kolb can just install a saddle on the center.

 

[THESMEL]

Next man up- Welcome to 4-1 in the NFL. Survive until we get The Bean soaked and ready to cook, We only had 15 runs last week Rwill wasn't ready for feature duties - Powell and Smith by committee.

We'll make the Bills look like a sB team if we drop back 60 times again, But that is how Whiz rolls- healthy backs or not. He is adicted to the pass and kill's olines and QB's. Lets see if we can hand them our playbook and outperform the worst team in the nFL like the Niners did.

 

[Duckjake]

I feel sorry for the kid but this isn't that big a deal.

How many TD's just got lost?

How many yards?

He wasn't producing that many of either, we can plug anyone in to get stuffed 3 yards in the backfield, heck just start running QB sneaks, Kolb can just install a saddle on the center.

But there was the threat of a big runs which Williams made to help run the clock vs Philly. 42 yards on 5 carries on the Cards 4th quarter drive that ran the clock from 10:26 to 3:57 and put 3 on the board.

Do you think that opposing DCs would be more concerned about Ryan Williams or William Powell?

 

[kerouac9]

Do you think that opposing DCs would be more concerned about Ryan Williams or William Powell?

Honestly, I don't think that opposing DCs were/will be "concerned" about either of them. I think that Ryan Williams had a greater chance of taking advantage of that lack of concern or regard, but now we don't even have that. We just have a guy who wasn't good enough to play for a D1 school coming out of high school, or push an underclassman for playing time at a third-tier D1 program.

 

[Duckjake]

Honestly, I don't think that opposing DCs were/will be "concerned" about either of them. I think that Ryan Williams had a greater chance of taking advantage of that lack of concern or regard, but now we don't even have that. We just have a guy who wasn't good enough to play for a D1 school coming out of high school, or push an underclassman for playing time at a third-tier D1 program.

It wasn't "good enough" it was smart enough. If I remember my recruiting info correctly he didn't qualify.

As for Ryan Williams I just can't see opposing DCs ignoring him the way they would a team's 3rd or 4th round RB. But then after Miami and St.Louis maybe you're right. Nobody would have been concerned with our run game at all.

They know the Cards are going to come out throwing and won't consistently or successfully run the football unless they are up 14. And maybe not even then.

 

[conraddobler]

But there was the threat of a big runs which Williams made to help run the clock vs Philly. 42 yards on 5 carries on the Cards 4th quarter drive that ran the clock from 10:26 to 3:57 and put 3 on the board.

Do you think that opposing DCs would be more concerned about Ryan Williams or William Powell?

Without Beanie no one cares about our running game at all other than to make sure it's shut down which dosen't take much at all.

Even if we had all our RB's at full health no one would be scared of our run game because we can't run the ball.

It didn't matter much in the 4 wins and it won't matter much from now on, we can still run to keep them honest, there's things that can be done, the 49ers couldn't run the ball at all and developed the West Coast offense as a result, it's not required to win games in the NFL.

We're like terrible at running the ball and 4-1, which to hear some on here argue is some kind of fluke/miracle, you don't have to be able to run to win in the NFL.

Hell run the WCO with the hypen, use Housler on short passes, flavor it up WCO style, we'll be fine, the defense means we have to score about 17 to 19 points to win, that's easier to do than you think even if your offense sucks and ours dosen't suck, it's not whoppie but if the defense gives us a short field or two or even some points of it's own that shrinks down fast.

At home we're much tougher to beat, on the road it's a problem and the schedule is tough but that's just life in the NFL, our defense will win some games for us unless the offense goes into total turtle mode.

The fact we can't run at all may even help, they may finally be forced to do smart things they've put off, perfect a screen pass, perfect draws, add in some WCO plays, use what we have and stop battering ram guys into the line on 1st and 10 setting up 2nd and 13 all the damn time.

If nothing else comes of this other than that we'll be just fine, lose the run plays on 1st down, just LOSE THEM, do anything but that!

Heck go deep on a few, worst thing would be 2nd and 10 not 2nd and 13 or more.

 

[Duckjake]

If nothing else comes of this other than that we'll be just fine, lose the run plays on 1st down, just LOSE THEM, do anything but that!

Well that won't be hard as the Cards don't run the ball on first down anyway.

I guess you're right and teams will come in to play the Cards looking 100% to defend against the pass. They may even come in playing nickle from the first snap like they do in the Big 12 so they can triple cover Fitz. Last year they came in playing the run (we didn't run much but we averaged over 4 ypc for the last 3 seasons) and asking Skelton to beat them which he did.

Our best hope is that opposing defenses look at William Powell, who in our annual game vs the Broncos last preseason ran 29 times for 60 yards, and our offensive line which has allowed 17 sacks in the last two games and think they don't have to prepare for anything.

Speaking of the Big 12 I think Missouri made a huge mistake moving to the SEC. 0-3 and lost to Vanderbilt??? Talk about instantly becoming irrelevant. Same thing happened to Arkansas when they left the SWC.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Well that won't be hard as the Cards don't run the ball on first down anyway.

I guess you're right and teams will come in to play the Cards looking 100% to defend against the pass. They may even come in playing nickle from the first snap like they do in the Big 12 so they can triple cover Fitz. Last year they came in playing the run (we didn't run much but we averaged over 4 ypc for the last 3 seasons) and asking Skelton to beat them which he did.

Our best hope is that opposing defenses look at William Powell, who in our annual game vs the Broncos last preseason ran 29 times for 60 yards, and our offensive line which has allowed 17 sacks in the last two games and think they don't have to prepare for anything.

Speaking of the Big 12 I think Missouri made a huge mistake moving to the SEC. 0-3 and lost to Vanderbilt??? Talk about instantly becoming irrelevant. Same thing happened to Arkansas when they left the SWC.

I've heard within the next 2 years the Big 10 is going to make a hard run at trying to get Texas to joing the conference. They want to add 4 teams, Texas, Rutgers and I'm blanking on the other 2.

 

[conraddobler]

Well that won't be hard as the Cards don't run the ball on first down anyway.

I guess you're right and teams will come in to play the Cards looking 100% to defend against the pass. They may even come in playing nickle from the first snap like they do in the Big 12 so they can triple cover Fitz. Last year they came in playing the run (we didn't run much but we averaged over 4 ypc for the last 3 seasons) and asking Skelton to beat them which he did.

Our best hope is that opposing defenses look at William Powell, who in our annual game vs the Broncos last preseason ran 29 times for 60 yards, and our offensive line which has allowed 17 sacks in the last two games and think they don't have to prepare for anything.

Speaking of the Big 12 I think Missouri made a huge mistake moving to the SEC. 0-3 and lost to Vanderbilt??? Talk about instantly becoming irrelevant. Same thing happened to Arkansas when they left the SWC.

Missouri will be fine their current QB is a dud IMO, hampers almost everything they do but in the scheme of things they are fine, they hung around with Georgia at home, got spanked by SC and Vanderbilt well stuff happens but the coaching staff needs an upgrade etc.

I think they made a good move long term the Big 12 is going to implode soon, the SEC is just a better conference and getting away from Texas was worth it.

 

[Duckjake]

Missouri will be fine their current QB is a dud IMO, hampers almost everything they do but in the scheme of things they are fine, they hung around with Georgia at home, got spanked by SC and Vanderbilt well stuff happens but the coaching staff needs an upgrade etc.

I think they made a good move long term the Big 12 is going to implode soon, the SEC is just a better conference and getting away from Texas was worth it.

Yeah if you can't beat Texas tuck your tail between your legs and go play in the SEC where you can play 4-5 conference teams a season that haven't won a championship in 50 years and non conference games against Elon and Towson, Alabama A&M and Western Carolina so you only have to win one real game a year to go 11-0.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah if you can't beat Texas tuck your tail between your legs and go play in the SEC where you can play 4-5 conference teams a season that haven't won a championship in 50 years and non conference games against Elon and Towson, Alabama A&M and Western Carolina so you only have to win one real game a year to go 11-0.

Some of it is about beating Texas, but a lot more of it is about how Texas is holding out for the Longhorn Network and their own TV deal independent of the Conference, and teams wanting to flee where at least they'll be a voice among many instead of continually shouted down by the folks in Austin.

I'm fine with Texas being jagoffs about being the big dog in their conference, because their conference is poo-poo. But--as always--if you want to know why two organizations aren't getting along, follow the money.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Some of it is about beating Texas, but a lot more of it is about how Texas is holding out for the Longhorn Network and their own TV deal independent of the Conference, and teams wanting to flee where at least they'll be a voice among many instead of continually shouted down by the folks in Austin.

I'm fine with Texas being jagoffs about being the big dog in their conference, because their conference is poo-poo. But--as always--if you want to know why two organizations aren't getting along, follow the money.

I don't know if the Big Twelve is "poop".

TX, OK, KSU, OSU, and WVU are all pretty stout programs.

I think I'd take that five vs. anything the ACC or Pac 10 could throw out there.

But I won't otherwise disagree with the main point of your post.