Ryan Williams

[AzStevenCal]

Like hearing about Smith. We can use all the quality depth we can at RB.

I like hearing about Ryan Williams too although I'm pretty sure we're just a few weeks away from hearing the organization wish him well in his future non-Cardinals endeavors. Smith showing well is just one more nail in Ryan's coffin.

Steve

 

[cardpa]

When the MRI on his knee came back clean and he wants another just to make sure then to me that is a telling tale. To me it means he isn't sure of his knee and in some ways he is hoping that the second MRI doesn't come back clean so he has something to blame as the reason he is missing time on the field.

I know this sounds insane however there are some people out there that would just rather have excuses as to why they can't do something instead of why they can. This is the feeling I get from Williams. He has already admitted to playing scared which is never a good thing.

I suspect he is Not For Long here or anywhere else. I don't think the kid has the mental fortitude to overcome his physical problems and will never make it as a Pro in the NFL. I wish he did as he has talent and plenty of it and could help this team. I hope I am wrong and would gladly eat crow but I just don't see it happening.

 

[GuernseyCard]

When the MRI on his knee came back clean and he wants another just to make sure then to me that is a telling tale. To me it means he isn't sure of his knee and in some ways he is hoping that the second MRI doesn't come back clean so he has something to blame as the reason he is missing time on the field.

I know this sounds insane however there are some people out there that would just rather have excuses as to why they can't do something instead of why they can. This is the feeling I get from Williams. He has already admitted to playing scared which is never a good thing.

I suspect he is Not For Long here or anywhere else. I don't think the kid has the mental fortitude to overcome his physical problems and will never make it as a Pro in the NFL. I wish he did as he has talent and plenty of it and could help this team. I hope I am wrong and would gladly eat crow but I just don't see it happening.

People without 'mental fortitude' don't go through the arduous and painful rehab, Willams went through. They tap out. Initial fear of re-injury is not surprising to me. And he passed on taking the second MRi.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

People without 'mental fortitude' don't go through the arduous and painful rehab, Willams went through. They tap out. Initial fear of re-injury is not surprising to me. And he passed on taking the second MRi.

While I agree.

The mental fortitude to rehab is not as impressive when you are getting paid to rehab, and yes, Williams still gets money when he is on IR.

Thus I am on the fence when it comes to his mental toughness.

On one hand, this whole scenario reminds me of what the Cardinals when through with DRC. Guy was all talent, but after DRC was injured he was never the same player.

On the other hand, this whole scenario reminds me of Thomas Jones. Always hurt while on the Cardinals, but gets healthy somewhere else and becomes a really good NFL RB.

All in all, I think Williams is now on the outside looking in. I don't see him being a Cardinal this year.

 

[GuernseyCard]

While I agree.

The mental fortitude to rehab is not as impressive when you are getting paid to rehab, and yes, Williams still gets money when he is on IR.

Thus I am on the fence when it comes to his mental toughness.

On one hand, this whole scenario reminds me of what the Cardinals when through with DRC. Guy was all talent, but after DRC was injured he was never the same player.

On the other hand, this whole scenario reminds me of Thomas Jones. Always hurt while on the Cardinals, but gets healthy somewhere else and becomes a really good NFL RB.

All in all, I think Williams is now on the outside looking in. I don't see him being a Cardinal this year.

If he's healthy, I doubt they'll pass on the talent (imo)

 

[82CardsGrad]

While I agree.

The mental fortitude to rehab is not as impressive when you are getting paid to rehab, and yes, Williams still gets money when he is on IR.

Thus I am on the fence when it comes to his mental toughness.

On one hand, this whole scenario reminds me of what the Cardinals when through with DRC. Guy was all talent, but after DRC was injured he was never the same player.

On the other hand, this whole scenario reminds me of Thomas Jones. Always hurt while on the Cardinals, but gets healthy somewhere else and becomes a really good NFL RB.

All in all, I think Williams is now on the outside looking in. I don't see him being a Cardinal this year.

DRC and Jones never dealt with the injury Williams suffered. Nothing even close.
And yea, Williams still received payment while rehabbing... So what? The fact that he is back and able to compete is nothing short of incredible. If you saw him before his knee swelled up, you would never have know he suffered an injury that for most is career ending...

Man... Can't believe how misguided some can be...

 

[kerouac9]

On the other hand, this whole scenario reminds me of Thomas Jones. Always hurt while on the Cardinals, but gets healthy somewhere else and becomes a really good NFL RB.

I don't recall Thomas Jones being "always hurt" when he was here. He was active for every game but 2 before his hand injury that put him on IR and ended his tenure with the Cards--which was only 3 seasons.

I remember Thomas Jones never getting carries because Dave McGinnis didn't know what he was doing and the fans hating Thomas Jones because he wasn't Brian Urlacher or wifebeater Michael Pittman.

DRC and Jones never dealt with the injury Williams suffered. Nothing even close.
And yea, Williams still received payment while rehabbing... So what? The fact that he is back and able to compete is nothing short of incredible. If you saw him before his knee swelled up, you would never have know he suffered an injury that for most is career ending...

Man... Can't believe how misguided some can be...

Because you don't get praise for doing your job. His job was to rehab, and he didn't. Ryan Williams didn't graduate from VaTech--which isn't exactly the Harvard of the mid-Atlantic to begin with--it's not like he has a ready alternative to making $552K in a year. So, no, I don't give him a ton of praise for working his way back from his injury.

And working back to what? 2.6 YPC and no big plays? Wow.

 

[Mulli]

I don't recall Thomas Jones being "always hurt" when he was here. He was active for every game but 2 before his hand injury that put him on IR and ended his tenure with the Cards--which was only 3 seasons.

I remember Thomas Jones never getting carries because Dave McGinnis didn't know what he was doing and the fans hating Thomas Jones because he wasn't Brian Urlacher or wifebeater Michael Pittman.



Because you don't get praise for doing your job. His job was to rehab, and he didn't. Ryan Williams didn't graduate from VaTech--which isn't exactly the Harvard of the mid-Atlantic to begin with--it's not like he has a ready alternative to making $552K in a year. So, no, I don't give him a ton of praise for working his way back from his injury.

And working back to what? 2.6 YPC and no big plays? Wow.

Join.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't recall Thomas Jones being "always hurt" when he was here. He was active for every game but 2 before his hand injury that put him on IR and ended his tenure with the Cards--which was only 3 seasons.

I remember Thomas Jones never getting carries because Dave McGinnis didn't know what he was doing and the fans hating Thomas Jones because he wasn't Brian Urlacher or wifebeater Michael Pittman.

Well 55 carries for 146 yards in your first 4 games as a rookie first round pick isn't going to get many coaches enamored with you. But I do agree McGinnis didn't know what he was doing.

 

[cardpa]

DRC and Jones never dealt with the injury Williams suffered. Nothing even close.
And yea, Williams still received payment while rehabbing... So what? The fact that he is back and able to compete is nothing short of incredible. If you saw him before his knee swelled up, you would never have know he suffered an injury that for most is career ending...

Man... Can't believe how misguided some can be...

It's not a question of being misguided. It's a question of Williams having no confidence in the knee and the fear of it getting ripped up again. When you are going through practice in no contact drills it's easy to forget about it since you know there is little or no danger of it being hit, however once the contact drills came along he suddenly is feeling pain in the knee again. I am not sure it's a fear he can overcome.

Maybe the team should be sending him for some mental help besides the physical help to get over the fear of the knee being injured again. The mind can play some serious games with your confidence.

 

[CardsFan88]

Hire this guy for Williams?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

DRC and Jones never dealt with the injury Williams suffered. Nothing even close.
And yea, Williams still received payment while rehabbing... So what? The fact that he is back and able to compete is nothing short of incredible. If you saw him before his knee swelled up, you would never have know he suffered an injury that for most is career ending...

And ?

What is your point ? Bad injury, yes. Is he the only professional athlete to come back from it ? Is he this amazing person that has done the impossible ?

Furthermore,, I wasn't talking about the severity of the injury so that is just some topic you made up in your head, or you assumed that I am making some statement about it.

My comment was just how some players respond to injury, any injury.

Not to mention, RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE POST, I said I agreed with the assessment that it takes some mental toughness to come back from the injury.

As for your question:

"And yea, Williams still received payment while rehabbing... So what?"

Hell of a lot easier to rehab injuries when it is your job, you spend 24/7 on that task, and you are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so.

So respect to the young man for coming back ? Sure. Am I going to kiss his feet and call him a god ? Hell no. Am I going to say that I would sacrifice what is best for the team to let some player I feel sorry for have a spot on the roster ? Hell no again. As BA says, this is a cold business some days.

Man... Can't believe how misguided some can be...

Oh go misguide yourself.

You wanna have a personall hissy fit that is fine, but don't pee on my cornflakes and call me names for just stating what I think about the situation.

Guy is a NFL player, he is open to such ridicule and its his job to rehab.

What am I going to make him cry like he did at the Patriots game ?

 

[Mulli]

 

[Duckjake]

And ?

What is your point ? Bad injury, yes. Is he the only professional athlete to come back from it ? Is he this amazing person that has done the impossible ?

Furthermore,, I wasn't talking about the severity of the injury so that is just some topic you made up in your head, or you assumed that I am making some statement about it.

My comment was just how some players respond to injury, any injury.

Not to mention, RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE POST, I said I agreed with the assessment that it takes some mental toughness to come back from the injury.

As for your question:

"And yea, Williams still received payment while rehabbing... So what?"

Hell of a lot easier to rehab injuries when it is your job, you spend 24/7 on that task, and you are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so.

So respect to the young man for coming back ? Sure. Am I going to kiss his feet and call him a god ? Hell no. Am I going to say that I would sacrifice what is best for the team to let some player I feel sorry for have a spot on the roster ? Hell no again. As BA says, this is a cold business some days.






Oh go misguide yourself.

You wanna have a personall hissy fit that is fine, but don't pee on my cornflakes and call me names for just stating what I think about the situation.

Guy is a NFL player, he is open to such ridicule and its his job to rehab.

What am I going to make him cry like he did at the Patriots game ?

The Cardinals were so bad they made Emmitt cry at the Cowboys game. One of the all time great posts on ASFN. Forget who made it. "We're so bad we make Emmitt cry."

 

[Mulli]

Go misquide yourself.

That rules.

 

[Buckybird]

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The Cardinals were so bad they made Emmitt cry at the Cowboys game. One of the all time great posts on ASFN. Forget who made it. "We're so bad we make Emmitt cry."

But it was an Arizona boy who made him cry

 

[GuernseyCard]

It's not a question of being misguided. It's a question of Williams having no confidence in the knee and the fear of it getting ripped up again. When you are going through practice in no contact drills it's easy to forget about it since you know there is little or no danger of it being hit, however once the contact drills came along he suddenly is feeling pain in the knee again. I am not sure it's a fear he can overcome.

Maybe the team should be sending him for some mental help besides the physical help to get over the fear of the knee being injured again. The mind can play some serious games with your confidence.

Who says he's still concerned about re-injury?

What we know is that he had a bit of a flare up and is sitting out until tomorrow. Nothing more.

 

[earthsci]

I hope that he does great. I'm not planning on it.

 

[Mulli]

Who says he's still concerned about re-injury?

What we know is that he had a bit of a flare up and is sitting out until tomorrow. Nothing more.

Isn't that a lot? The knee(s)will soon be such a concern that the mental thing will be irrelevant.

 

[kerouac9]

Who says he's still concerned about re-injury?

What we know is that he had a bit of a flare up and is sitting out until tomorrow. Nothing more.

You can strip out the facts, but there are more than that.

1) The team doctors cleared him to practice.
2) His team-administered MRI came back "clean".
3) Williams refused to return to practice.
4) Williams requested a second independent opinion.
5) The coaching staff publicly questioned that decision.
6) Williams backed off the second opinion and climbed on a bike.

Those are all the facts, and they don't exactly add up to a player who's poised to claim a job as a bell-cow back in the NFL.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Isn't that a lot? The knee(s)will soon be such a concern that the mental thing will be irrelevant.

Or not. Players icing down old injuries, flare-ups, is pretty common.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I don't recall Thomas Jones being "always hurt" when he was here. He was active for every game but 2 before his hand injury that put him on IR and ended his tenure with the Cards--which was only 3 seasons.

I remember Thomas Jones never getting carries because Dave McGinnis didn't know what he was doing and the fans hating Thomas Jones because he wasn't Brian Urlacher or wifebeater Michael Pittman.



Because you don't get praise for doing your job. His job was to rehab, and he didn't. Ryan Williams didn't graduate from VaTech--which isn't exactly the Harvard of the mid-Atlantic to begin with--it's not like he has a ready alternative to making $552K in a year. So, no, I don't give him a ton of praise for working his way back from his injury.

And working back to what? 2.6 YPC and no big plays? Wow.

I can't help but laugh at stuff like that... Dude comes back from a near career-ending injury and is competing. I can assure you that you haven't the first clue about what it takes to do what he did. You don't have a fraction of the determination he possesses in his little pinky.
What happens after he comes back is largely up to the football gods. What Adrian Peterson has done is a prime example of amazing determination and a god-gifted body that was able to restore itself and accept the punishment it took to come back. Williams worked just as hard as AP, and it just might be that his body isn't as god-gifted as AP's... We'll soon see. However, to question his heart or determination is moronic and again, laughable...

 

[Mulli]

Or not. Players icing down old injuries, flare-ups, is pretty common.

Also common: oft-injured NFL players whose only regular season highlights are fumbles to end of games getting released.

 

[Mulli]

You can strip out the facts, but there are more than that.

1) The team doctors cleared him to practice.
2) His team-administered MRI came back "clean".
3) Williams refused to return to practice.
4) Williams requested a second independent opinion.
5) The coaching staff publicly questioned that decision.
6) Williams backed off the second opinion and climbed on a bike.

Those are all the facts, and they don't exactly add up to a player who's poised to claim a job as a bell-cow back in the NFL.

Card coaches publically questioned RW. Enough for me.

Stick a fork in him.

 

[kerouac9]

I can't help but laugh at stuff like that... Dude comes back from a near career-ending injury and is competing. I can assure you that you haven't the first clue about what it takes to do what he did. You don't have a fraction of the determination he possesses in his little pinky.
What happens after he comes back is largely up to the football gods. What Adrian Peterson has done is a prime example of amazing determination and a god-gifted body that was able to restore itself and accept the punishment it took to come back. Williams worked just as hard as AP, and it just might be that his body isn't as god-gifted as AP's... We'll soon see. However, to question his heart or determination is moronic and again, laughable...

You give me $500K and I'll do all the stuff that he did, including sitting at home and playing XBox during the week in between treatments and following surgery.

All he had to do was COME BACK. He was incentivized by $500K+ in 2012 and $700K+ in 2013 (plus vested veteran status which brings on a pension and other long-term benefits).

He's never been a good NFL back, and he's still not. I'll give him the credit of coming back like Adrian Peterson as soon as he plays like Adrian Peterson for one quarter of football. All he's done to show he's "come back" from his latest injury is make an impressive cut into the waiting arms of a linebacker during a non-contact drill.

It sure was a testament to Ryan Williams' bravery and fortitude when he came back three months after his injury and admitted that he stunk up the joint for his FIVE WHOLE GAMES by "being scared."