Sando on Dockett

[Dayman]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/10197/dockett-putting-up-big-numbers

Darnell Dockett showed athletic ability and football smarts while collecting 3.0 sacks against the Titans in Week 12.

On one sack, Dockett held his ground and resisted charging too far upfield. He shed the offensive lineman's block at the right time, sacking Vince Young as the quarterback stepped toward him. It almost seemed as though Dockett had set a trap on the play.

Dockett plays left end in the Cardinals' base 3-4 defense. He moves around, though, and the NFL still lists him as a defensive tackle. The designation should help Dockett's chances for the Pro Bowl because most defensive tackles cannot match his sack totals.

Did I say most? Make that all. Dockett has more sacks this season than any NFL defensive tackle. He has 20 sacks since the start of the 2007 season, more than any defensive tackle, including Albert Haynesworth (17.5) and the Vikings' Kevin Williams (17.5).

No wonder Texans coach Gary Kubiak called Dockett the best player he had seen this season.

Dockett's really stepped up his game over the last couple years. In addition to the sacks, he's substantially cut down his penalties. He can be overly vocal, at times, and his contract situation will continue to linger, but you can't deny the guy's performance.

 

[TJ]

What scares me is that he is probably going to want Albert Haynesworth money. $41 mil guaranteed. Albert is nowhere near that value, but he has certainly raised the price for productive defensive lineman

 

[O]

I love Nine O, Double D, what ever.
Bottom line; he has three years left on his contract!
Bitch at Rosenhaus(SIC)!

 

[lauraw]

Ditto that O

 

[BigRedArk]

As I have stated before DD is THE best DT the Cardinals have ever had since I have been watching them circa 1965.

 

[conraddobler]

As I have stated before DD is THE best DT the Cardinals have ever had since I have been watching them circa 1965.

Yeah and no.

Best as in consistent and overall performance yeah, but no in terms of most talented.

Eric Swan was insanely talented if erratic.

 

[Shane]

Yeah and no.

Best as in consistent and overall performance yeah, but no in terms of most talented.

Eric Swan was insanely talented if erratic.

Eric Swann was far more talented and physically gifted than Dockett IMO.

 

[CardNots]

Eric Swann was far more talented and physically gifted than Dockett IMO.

Swann might have been the best DT I have ever seen. I love Dockett but Swann was one of a kind.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I love Nine O, Double D, what ever.
Bottom line; he has three years left on his contract!
Bitch at Rosenhaus(SIC)!

You nailed it, O.

 

[PJ1]

A healthy Swann was unblockable. What a shame he couldn't have played longer.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Pay him this offseason no question about it in my mind. He is a leader, is our most dominating defensive player, and gets crazy production.

Not even a question in my mind. Get something good for Q, let Dansby walk, and give the money to Dockett.

 

[Shane]

Pay him this offseason no question about it in my mind. He is a leader, is our most dominating defensive player, and gets crazy production.

Not even a question in my mind. Get something good for Q, let Dansby walk, and give the money to Dockett.

Once again you just DO NOT set a precedence by renegotiating with a player when they have that many years left on the contract. You just don't. Why renegotiate when you have him for at least one more year at a decent salary. Renegotiate him in his last season. Just like the team has done with Q.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Once again you just DO NOT set a precedence by renegotiating with a player when they have that many years left on the contract. You just don't. Why renegotiate when you have him for at least one more year at a decent salary. Renegotiate him in his last season. Just like the team has done with Q.

I agree with you to a degree but I would do it for Dockett. Its a give and take because you don't want to alienate your best players and Dockett is crucial to what we do going forward.

We haven't established that precedent yet (maybe its inferred or maybe the Cards just dont want to pay Q) as I have not heard anyone in the FO say that's their M.O.

In terms of deal I would rip up before the one year mark to gain player love. Fitz and Dockett. Thats it.

But I see your point and would like to establish that precendence.

 

[Shane]

I agree with you to a degree but I would do it for Dockett. Its a give and take because you don't want to alienate your best players and Dockett is crucial to what we do going forward.

We haven't established that precedent yet (maybe its inferred or maybe the Cards just dont want to pay Q) as I have not heard anyone in the FO say that's their M.O.

In terms of deal I would rip up before the one year mark to gain player love. Fitz and Dockett. Thats it.

But I see your point and would like to establish that precendence.

You say you dont want to alienate your best players? Then are you glad they didnt redo Q? Because he falls into that category easily.

IMO you just can't do it for Dockett when you told Q outright that you don't renegotiate with that many years left on your contract and that you "have to wait your turn" Then if they turn around and do it for Dockett when you said you couldn't do it for Q you lose all face in that locker room IMO. Not only that it opens the door for other players to do it when they outplay their contracts. The only reason I ever sided with Q is because he was promised by the FO that if he reached multiple Pro Bowls he would get his deal reworked. He accomplished the goal and the team reneged. Dockett was never given those promises.

 

[Doug]

You don't redo Dockett's deal for any reason.We let him wear his jersey over one shoulder like him and Q did last season that one practice they both had groin injuries.They can both have groin injuries again this year.

I do think Dockett deserves to be in the top two of the voting for the Pro Bowl for the NFC this year though.That ought to have an incentive for him in his contract for a few more sheckels.He is playing at a very high level...(WHEN HE WANTS TOO).I only wish it were more consistant.More consistant play from big Gabe and Branch would really help him out.I just don't think Robinson is really a starter.Yet he does.So be it.

We need Okeafor to step up his game to another level after last weeks weak attempt to play injured.Hopefully he's playing through it.We all had too.

I'm thinking Warner is gonna have one of his best games of his career this Sunday Night and you better have your Tivo running.The place is gonna get loud too.

I know Dockett wants a peice of favre and he (favre) has'nt had much of a pass rush in any game this season.We will bring it from the sides and up the middle this game.Just watching the screen to AP that I think maybe Haggans gets AP for a big loss or intercepts the pass for a pick six.

I think Bridges is playing at a very high level and I congratulate our team for finding such a talented vet sub to fill in while Gandy is playing at a 70% level right now with his pelvis/groin injury.Glad we have the depth we need on our team for a playoff run.Glad Will Davis will be back for the playoffs and before also.Thats gonna be huge.Hope he has recovery powers I've seen many have on that surgery before.If it was Boldin he'd already be playing.(but) Boldin isn't human.

I only hope we don't get a giant offer from any AFC team for Boldin.I want Q to play out his contract with the CARDINALS because we're not gonna pay another WR 9 million while we have Fitz making 10 Mill a year.We should add Shipley from Texas in the 2nd or 3rd round to be our go too wide reciever like Wes Welker but even better to help Fitz get more open options.Breaston will always just be straight line speed.Don't know about Doucet yet.He has yet to really show anything special.

To close.Docketts gonna miss the Pro Bowl this year except for being there for introductions as Goodell has mandated for all players.He'll be getting ready for another Miami trip With the FULL TEAM later in the week.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You say you dont want to alienate your best players? Then are you glad they didnt redo Q? Because he falls into that category easily.

IMO you just can't do it for Dockett when you told Q outright that you don't renegotiate with that many years left on your contract and that you "have to wait your turn" Then if they turn around and do it for Dockett when you said you couldn't do it for Q you lose all face in that locker room IMO. Not only that it opens the door for other players to do it when they outplay their contracts. The only reason I ever sided with Q is because he was promised by the FO that if he reached multiple Pro Bowls he would get his deal reworked. He accomplished the goal and the team reneged. Dockett was never given those promises.

Listen I think I agree with your overall point. Mine is that they don't WANT to pay Q and thats why they haven't and likely won't.

If you have a guy that is underpaid for a couple years now and has continued to develop then you might want to do it. Because as TJ alluded to Dockett may not be at Haynesworth money just yet but, he likley will be after 2010.

You make deals early to get deals money wise. Like the Eagles just did with Celek. Thats the angle im looking at. With Q your going to paying likley for past production.

I don't see that with Dockett. Now if nine oh wants Haynesworth money now, then I would say wait. But if he is willing to take a little discount to get more money upfront quicker then I would look at it.

 

[Shane]

Listen I think I agree with your overall point. Mine is that they don't WANT to pay Q and thats why they haven't and likely won't.

If you have a guy that is underpaid for a couple years now and has continued to develop then you might want to do it. Because as TJ alluded to Dockett may not be at Haynesworth money just yet but, he likley will be after 2010.

You make deals early to get deals money wise. Like the Eagles just did with Celek. Thats the angle im looking at. With Q your going to paying likley for past production.

I don't see that with Dockett. Now maybe he wants Haynesworth money now. Then I would say wait. But if he is willing to take a little discount to get more money upfront quicker then I would look at it.

I cant say that paying for past production for Q is entirely accurate considering the season had last year and the production he is putting forth this year. Although the TD's are down. The WR production across the board is down as a whole.

Its just not a precedence you want to set IMO when you have been preaching the company line that you have to "wait your turn" Just doesnt jive and makes you look like a fool if you do it for DD. Heck DD has two years left who knows where he will be physically two years from now.

 

[MadCardDisease]

IMO you just can't do it for Dockett when you told Q outright that you don't renegotiate with that many years left on your contract and that you "have to wait your turn" Then if they turn around and do it for Dockett when you said you couldn't do it for Q you lose all face in that locker room IMO. Not only that it opens the door for other players to do it when they outplay their contracts. The only reason I ever sided with Q is because he was promised by the FO that if he reached multiple Pro Bowls he would get his deal reworked. He accomplished the goal and the team reneged. Dockett was never given those promises.

I disagree. The Cardinals tried to renegotiate Boldin's contract. However Boldin and Drew decided they wanted to wait till Fitz got his contract reworked.

 

[Shane]

I disagree. The Cardinals tried to renegotiate Boldin's contract. However Boldin and Drew decided they wanted to wait till Fitz got his contract reworked.

No they didnt try and do anything except give a blanket take it or leave it offer. They rigthfully said no thanks.

 

[Shane]

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...r-Albert/722607e7-21c0-4c96-aeb2-91bba5ae28d4

 

[Redheart]

No they didnt try and do anything except give a blanket take it or leave it offer. They rigthfully said no thanks.

Shane, if Q would have taken the deal, would'nt he be in the same position he is now, except he would have made an additional 8-10 million?

Because there was no gaurenteed money, he said no to the raise. To me, he made a huge mistake.

 

[BigRedArk]

Yeah and no.

Best as in consistent and overall performance yeah, but no in terms of most talented.

Eric Swan was insanely talented if erratic.

Well yeah. What good is talent if it is on IR though. I do agree Swann woulda been the best ever thus far if he had been able to stay healthy.

 

[MadCardDisease]

No they didnt try and do anything except give a blanket take it or leave it offer. They rigthfully said no thanks.

You said it wouldn't be fair because the Cards didn't work with Boldin. When in fact they did attempt to work with Boldin. So I don't think it would be much of a problem to offer Dockett a low ball number while he still has 2 years left on his contract.

 

[joeshmo]

No they didnt try and do anything except give a blanket take it or leave it offer. They rigthfully said no thanks.

That isnt what happened at all. There was no take it or leave it offer. There were two times the Cards tried to offer a new deal and get something, whether the initial offer was lame doesnt matter, there was no take it or leave it offer.

Timeline -
1. Gave Boldin a lame offer. Drew and Boldin laugh at it calling it a slap in the face and wouldnt even respond to it with a counter offer. This was offered to him during the season.

2. Some months later about the end of Jan early Feb. Cards send Drew yet another offer. They didnt hear back from Drew for two weeks. Drew finally contacts them to state they will wait until the Fitz deal gets done. Of which the Cards respond with there only take it or leave offer. An offer that wasnt even a contract offer. The take it or leave it offer / ultimatum / threat was "negotiate with us now because our priorites will change tommorow".

There was never a take it or leave it contract offer. Drew refused to negotiate or make a counter offer both times the Cards made a gesture before Fitz got his deal. Its part of the reason why Boldin fired Drew.

 

[Doug]

You've just gotta LOVE Joe.Even if he is a big bad meanie. What message board has a guy like him on it and does'nt treasure that fact?

You want the truth about the CARDINALS and its players contracts? You've got em' right here.Thanks Joe.

Hope we are picking 32nd this year to make it hard on all of us draftniks.I'm hoping the JOURNEY IS JUST STARTING SUNDAY NIGHT!!!