Sarver Sucks!

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While we were always going to regret letting Amare go for at least the first couple of years, the only thing we can hang our hats on now is that we may not regret it in a few years if/when his knee gives out.

But yes, Sarver really is terrible, no argument from me there. I used to just think he was cheap back when he tried to lowball Joe Johnson and kept selling our 1st rounders. I wasn't a fan of him but I could live with it. But lately he has entered a whole new level of incompetence with his meddlesomeness. This last offseason was his crowning achievement - disbanding our FO right after we went to the conference finals, and then taking it upon himself to put together a team full of small forwards before hiring a replacement GM (Babby's not the GM).

He has turned this organisation from first class to a complete joke in a span of 5 years. Nice work Robert! :thumbup:
 
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The announcers on the last game I saw were remarking how we have one of the lower seat capacities (its actually approx. 18,000) and yet we can't fill it.

Its obvious Sarver isn't about winning. Its time to start a movement to have him sell his controlling interest and bring in a new owner.

I mean, I like the guys he brought in, Warrick especially, but he should have been looking to build on what we had already, and not break up the Nash Amare combo which was pretty deadly.
 

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The announcers on the last game I saw were remarking how we have one of the lower seat capacities (its actually approx. 18,000) and yet we can't fill it.

Its obvious Sarver isn't about winning. Its time to start a movement to have him sell his controlling interest and bring in a new owner.

I mean, I like the guys he brought in, Warrick especially, but he should have been looking to build on what we had already, and not break up the Nash Amare combo which was pretty deadly.

Oh, how I wish I believed that. If that were the case we might stand a chance that he would one day realize you have to spend money to make money. Even Donald Sterling has finally come to grips with this thought. I don't know if he has fully embraced it but he appears to be leaning that way the past few years.

I think Sarver is about winning. He is also about the money, he has to be, but I think he very much wants and intends to put a winning product on the floor. Unfortunately, I don't know if there's a cure for his problem. His unique blend of ignorance and arrogance has put us where we are today.

I can't really call him stupid because I don't think you get to where he is by really being stupid but in the end, if you can't control your own ego, there's not much difference between stupid and whatever Sarver is.

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Robert Sarver is one of the dumbest and cheapest owners in NBA history.

He has ruined Nash's career (no ring 4 someone thats well-deserving). Lucky for Amare he got out.

Trade Nash and Hill away you PUNK! Then sell the team to someone who gives a damn about winning a title.
 

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The announcers on the last game I saw were remarking how we have one of the lower seat capacities (its actually approx. 18,000) and yet we can't fill it.

Its obvious Sarver isn't about winning. Its time to start a movement to have him sell his controlling interest and bring in a new owner.

I mean, I like the guys he brought in, Warrick especially, but he should have been looking to build on what we had already, and not break up the Nash Amare combo which was pretty deadly.

Imagine last years roster with Warrick as the backup PF.

:(
 

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2 wins away from the Finals...and you don't bring back the same front office and roster?

You let go of your MVP caliber inside threat....and you don't replace him with any inside player at all?

At least those Amare haters have something to cheer about!...Oh wait
 

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I can't really call him stupid because I don't think you get to where he is by really being stupid but in the end, if you can't control your own ego, there's not much difference between stupid and whatever Sarver is.
Sarver is a banker. He is doing what he knows which, unfortunately, isn't broad enough to function as an owner of an institution -- a big city's sports franchise.

If he were the president of a non-profit organization, his banker's mindset would be out of place. So it is with the Suns -- a statewide monopoly in the entertainment business.

Can you picture him owning a rock band? "You don't need that many band members ... They don't have to be experienced ... Use the drummer on keyboards ... You don't really need fireworks ... They can stay at a Motel 6."

Rock band or NBA team -- it's an emotional experience. Business manager-sure. Owner-out of place.
 

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While we were always going to regret letting Amare go for at least the first couple of years, the only thing we can hang our hats on now is that we may not regret it in a few years if/when his knee gives out.

Your assuming it goes out at all. It's no longer a certainty that it will. There are more and more cases emerging of athletes not breaking down after micro fracture.
 

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Your assuming it goes out at all. It's no longer a certainty that it will. There are more and more cases emerging of athletes not breaking down after micro fracture.

I hope Amare has a long healthy career but the risk was too great. The Suns weren't the only team unwilling to give him a big LONG contract.
 

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Your assuming it goes out at all. It's no longer a certainty that it will. There are more and more cases emerging of athletes not breaking down after micro fracture.

No I'm not. This is what I wrote:

the only thing we can hang our hats on now is that we may not regret it in a few years if/when his knee gives out.

The risk is definately there though, which is why the Knicks couldn't get insurance on his contract. And I'm pretty sure the doctor who perfomed the procedure said himself that it would need another procedure after 5 years.

But yes, it's possible that he is completely healed.
 

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No I'm not. This is what I wrote:

the only thing we can hang our hats on now is that we may not regret it in a few years if/when his knee gives out.

The risk is definately there though, which is why the Knicks couldn't get insurance on his contract. And I'm pretty sure the doctor who perfomed the procedure said himself that it would need another procedure after 5 years.

But yes, it's possible that he is completely healed.

For every Jason Kidd, there's a Kenyon Martin. And if you were to look at similarities, Stoudemire has more in common to past microfacture failures than to successes.
 

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The NBA should buy the Suns.

Just like their buying the Hornets!
 

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But yes, it's possible that he is completely healed.

No it isn't.

Microfracture is performed in response to a permanent loss of cartilage. The body cannot regrow cartilage. The purpose of the procedure is to replace the (missing) cartilage with a "pseudocartilage" scar tissue that the body generates while healing from the microfractures.

The question then becomes the durability of the pseudocartilage and whether the player can adjust his activity level so as to reduce further stress to the area. Kidd is a low-impact player, so it's not too surprising that his pseudocartilage has held up. Stoudemire, even the less explosive version we see now, is a high-impact player, so his risk is greater. Zach Randolph, so far, is a success story, and he also stays pretty close to the ground. Kenyon Martin, another former high flier, is in the other category.

Stoudemire has the advantage that his loss of cartilage was smaller than for some other players, so the stress on the pseudocartilage won't be as great. It's possible that he has learned how to protect his knees well enough that he'll be able to complete his career normally. Even if that's true, however, he is not "completely healed" and never will be. It's like saying someone has perfect teeth because his cavities have been properly filled.
 

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No it isn't.

Microfracture is performed in response to a permanent loss of cartilage. The body cannot regrow cartilage. The purpose of the procedure is to replace the (missing) cartilage with a "pseudocartilage" scar tissue that the body generates while healing from the microfractures.

The question then becomes the durability of the pseudocartilage and whether the player can adjust his activity level so as to reduce further stress to the area. Kidd is a low-impact player, so it's not too surprising that his pseudocartilage has held up. Stoudemire, even the less explosive version we see now, is a high-impact player, so his risk is greater. Zach Randolph, so far, is a success story, and he also stays pretty close to the ground. Kenyon Martin, another former high flier, is in the other category.

Stoudemire has the advantage that his loss of cartilage was smaller than for some other players, so the stress on the pseudocartilage won't be as great. It's possible that he has learned how to protect his knees well enough that he'll be able to complete his career normally. Even if that's true, however, he is not "completely healed" and never will be. It's like saying someone has perfect teeth because his cavities have been properly filled.

Thanks for the correction. Jeez one minute I'm geting called out for supposedly saying he will definately reinjure it, and now I'm being called out for saying that he could be completely healed. Good times.
 

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I think the thing we're failing to factor into the 5 year contract Amare signed, is medical advancements. Chances are micro fracture surgery (or an alternative surgery) will become more advanced. Perhaps the Knicks loose him for a year due to surgery but if he plays 4 out of 5 years at a high level then I would consider this a success. Also the Knicks may be able to keep him beyond 5 years if the cards fall right for them.
 

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I think the thing we're failing to factor into the 5 year contract Amare signed, is medical advancements. Chances are micro fracture surgery (or an alternative surgery) will become more advanced. Perhaps the Knicks loose him for a year due to surgery but if he plays 4 out of 5 years at a high level then I would consider this a success. Also the Knicks may be able to keep him beyond 5 years if the cards fall right for them.

So you don't think the Suns doctors thought of that also when they were most certainly being consulted about resigning him?

People fail to factor that although Sarver makes the ultimate decision, there are a lot of people determining what the best course of action is.
 

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Thanks for the correction. Jeez one minute I'm geting called out for supposedly saying he will definately reinjure it, and now I'm being called out for saying that he could be completely healed. Good times.

I know how you feel. You make a nice post with several points and someone will focus on one small aspect of your post or they'll discover a trivial inaccuracy and it will feel like that's the only part of your message that got through. The good news is it happens to all of us. The bad news is that we all tend to do the same thing to others, oftentimes without realizing it. The really bad news is that a few of us DO realize it and we do it anyway.;)

Steve
 

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