Sarver Sucks!

[nashman]

Piss and moan all you want myself and lots of other fans enjoy watching a team WITHOUT Amare. Its actually much more enjoyable to watch games without him and his standing around half ass efforts on most nights. New York will see them soon enough Amare just happens to be trying right now we will see how long that lasts.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Piss and moan all you want myself and lots of other fans enjoy watching a team WITHOUT Amare. Its actually much more enjoyable to watch games without him and his standing around half ass efforts on most nights. New York will see them soon enough Amare just happens to be trying right now we will see how long that lasts.

That's all well and good but, for my money, we're not the ones doing the pissing and moaning. I'm a Suns fan, I look forward to watching every game. I don't bemoan the loss of Amare, it was a reasonable decision at the time. For me, it stopped being the right decision the day we decided to replace him with Hedo and Warrick.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

myself and lots of other fans enjoy watching a team WITHOUT Amare.

My guess is you and your kind are in the vast minority. It's hard to envision any legitimate basketball fan who finds this iteration of the team more enjoyable to watch than last year's team.

 

[Covert Rain]

Piss and moan all you want myself and lots of other fans enjoy watching a team WITHOUT Amare. Its actually much more enjoyable to watch games without him and his standing around half ass efforts on most nights. New York will see them soon enough Amare just happens to be trying right now we will see how long that lasts.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have read in a long time. This team is not more enjoyable to watch without Amare. It's lost at times on the court, stuck in reverse when shots are not falling and worse defensively last time I looked at the numbers (I have not checked this week). This team is below .500.

There is NOTHING that says more enjoyable about that.

You can all Amare many things (not basketball smart, not a good rebounder) but Amare's issue was never lack of effort. The dude had a reputation for getting to practice before everyone and leaving after everyone. If your going to bash the dude...at least do it for the right reasons.

My guess is you and your kind are in the vast minority. It's hard to envision any legitimate basketball fan who finds this iteration of the team more enjoyable to watch than last year's team.

AMEN BROTHER.

 

[mojorizen7]

Fun n Gun in Phoenix 2005-2007

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Its time to move on from this system....

 

[carrrnuttt]

I've never found that speculation to have even the slightest feel of truth. The guy would pretty much have to destroy the franchise for an extended period before the league would allow it. I don't think he comes anywhere close to the deep pockets necessary to survive that process.

Seattle was an unusual situation and IMO there's no way the league let's a well supported team go this route again. And, at least with the Sonics franchise, they were moving it to a city that had demonstrated incredible support for the idea of a team.

Steve

I must have misplaced my sarcasm indicator...

 

[SirStefan32]

Piss and moan all you want myself and lots of other fans enjoy watching a team WITHOUT Amare. Its actually much more enjoyable to watch games without him and his standing around half ass efforts on most nights. New York will see them soon enough Amare just happens to be trying right now we will see how long that lasts.

Actually, it is NOT more fun to watch the team without Amare. I've been a huge Amare critic for a long time, but that statement is just ridiculous.
Team is not as good, and not as fun to watch this year.

There is no doubt in my mind that in the long run, Suns will be better off without Stoudemire at 20M+ per year, but they are not better nor more fun to watch without Amare.

 

[SirStefan32]

You can all Amare many things (not basketball smart, not a good rebounder) but Amare's issue was never lack of effort.

His lack of effort on the defensive end was always an issue, especially when things didn't go his way on offense.

I do agree that he worked hard on his offense. I remember when he had no range outside of 6 feet, and now he has a deadly jumper. I am sure he spent hour and hour every week working on his shot.

 

[BC867]

His lack of effort on the defensive end was always an issue, especially when things didn't go his way on offense.

I do agree that he worked hard on his offense. I remember when he had no range outside of 6 feet, and now he has a deadly jumper. I am sure he spent hour and hour every week working on his shot.

So he put in a super effort on offense and a weak one on defense and rebounding -- which was not all his fault. He gave the coach what he wanted.

It's like the guy standing with one foot in dry ice and the other in boiling water. On average, he is pretty comfortable.

 

[Superbone]

Sarver Sucks!

He blows too!

 

[Covert Rain]

His lack of effort on the defensive end was always an issue, especially when things didn't go his way on offense.

I do agree that he worked hard on his offense. I remember when he had no range outside of 6 feet, and now he has a deadly jumper. I am sure he spent hour and hour every week working on his shot.

Again..disagree. His coach wanted this team to run like no other get out on the break and NEVER foul. It was a defensive philosophy that molded Amare into the player he bacame. It wasn't lack of effort IMO with Amare and defense. He did what his coaches taught him to do. Now factor in that Amare was probably always a project on defense from a natural ability perspective and none of that ever said good defender.

When I looked at what players like Diaw did on the court sometimes and compared that to Amare....there is no comparison IMO. Diaw was the poster child for lazy on the court sometimes.

 

[Chaplin]

Again..disagree. His coach wanted this team to run like no other get out on the break and NEVER foul. It was a defensive philosophy that molded Amare into the player he bacame. It wasn't lack of effort IMO with Amare and defense. He did what his coaches taught him to do. Now factor in that Amare was probably always a project on defense from a natural ability perspective and none of that ever said good defender.

When I looked at what players like Diaw did on the court sometimes and compared that to Amare....there is no comparison IMO. Diaw was the poster child for lazy on the court sometimes.

The guy improved leaps and bounds on offense. Even without coaching, it stands to reason that he should have shown SOME improvement in the defensive side of the ball. He's a veteran now and played against a lot of guys who are good defenders. He couldn't try to pick up any of those skills? Coaching is only part of a player's development.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I must have misplaced my sarcasm indicator...

Sorry I missed that. However, given the nature of some of the posts the past few days, it becomes easy to take extreme opinions at face value. Next time, feel free to whack me over the head with a sarcasm sign.

Steve

 

[BC867]

He couldn't try to pick up any of those skills? Coaching is only part of a player's development.

Picking up (defensive) skills acknowledges that he wasn't getting it from his Coach. A Coach who treated defense as a joke to the Press.

Amar'e would have had to challenge his Coach's philosophy to become an all-around player. If Steve Nash didn't, how could you expect Amar'e to? Or any other player who wants to stay in his Coach's good graces?

 

[Superbone]

Picking up (defensive) skills acknowledges that he wasn't getting it from his Coach. A Coach who treated defense as a joke to the Press.

Amar'e would have had to challenge his Coach's philosophy to become an all-around player. If Steve Nash didn't, how could you expect Amar'e to? Or any other player who wants to stay in his Coach's good graces?

Give me a break! Tell that to Shawn Marion and Raja Bell.

 

[SirStefan32]

So he put in a super effort on offense and a weak one on defense and rebounding -- which was not all his fault. He gave the coach what he wanted.

It's like the guy standing with one foot in dry ice and the other in boiling water. On average, he is pretty comfortable.

Well, it's not ALL his fault, and D'Antoni is to blame partially, but at the end of the day, Amare has to be held responsible. I seriously doubt Mike was going to be upset if Amare started playing defense and grabbing 12 rebounds per game.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I've never found that speculation to have even the slightest feel of truth. The guy would pretty much have to destroy the franchise for an extended period before the league would allow it. I don't think he comes anywhere close to the deep pockets necessary to survive that process.

Seattle was an unusual situation and IMO there's no way the league let's a well supported team go this route again. And, at least with the Sonics franchise, they were moving it to a city that had demonstrated incredible support for the idea of a team.

Steve

If it can happen with the Sonics, it can happen with the Suns

 

[Chaplin]

If it can happen with the Sonics, it can happen with the Suns

Completely different situation, that had to do with the arena situation and the relationship with the city. The Suns have always had a good relationship with the city.

 

[BC867]

Give me a break! Tell that to Shawn Marion and Raja Bell.

Who obviously had more inherent defensive skills coming in than Amar'e.

Isn't that what coaches (and their priorities) are for? To capitalize on players' strengths . . . and work on their weaknesses.

Amar'e needed the break.

 

[BC867]

I seriously doubt Mike was going to be upset if Amare started playing defense and grabbing 12 rebounds per game.

That would be a very passive approach for a Coach to take. Not being upset if he started playing defense and grabbing more rebounds.

As well as training his young player how to avoid bating refs and picking up ticky-tack fouls, thus being sent to the bench when he was needed on the court.

Amar'e is the one to be upset. He could have been everything he wanted to be (aside from superior court sense) if his basic NBA training had included intelligent coaching.

 

[Superbone]

Who obviously had more inherent defensive skills coming in than Amar'e.

Isn't that what coaches (and their priorities) are for? To capitalize on players' strengths . . . and work on their weaknesses.

Amar'e needed the break.

The professional athletes being paid millions of dollars also need to take responsibility.

 

[nashman]

Yeah it's the coaches fault us would stand around and do nothing on defense... What a complete joke! Amare is a great scorer period that's the ONLY thing he does well as ball player and that's not worth the max period, the suns made the right move and with a little more time than a stretch of games against weak competition it will become even more obvious to the few that believe we should have kept him. I would rather watch players try and fail than to look totally disinterested in trying like we saw in amare almost on a nightly basis.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah it's the coaches fault us would stand around and do nothing on defense... What a complete joke! Amare is a great scorer period that's the ONLY thing he does well as ball player and that's not worth the max period, the suns made the right move and with a little more time than a stretch of games against weak competition it will become even more obvious to the few that believe we should have kept him. I would rather watch players try and fail than to look totally disinterested in trying like we saw in amare almost on a nightly basis.

I never saw Amare disinterested offensively or defensively. Obviously he was very talented offensively but I just don't think he had good defensive instincts. He is obviously more than what the Suns have now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah it's the coaches fault us would stand around and do nothing on defense... What a complete joke! Amare is a great scorer period that's the ONLY thing he does well as ball player and that's not worth the max period, the suns made the right move and with a little more time than a stretch of games against weak competition it will become even more obvious to the few that believe we should have kept him. I would rather watch players try and fail than to look totally disinterested in trying like we saw in amare almost on a nightly basis.

I think I watched all but 2 games during Amare's stay in Phoenix. Just my luck it was the 2 games you must be talking about.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

I thought this thread was about how Sarver sucks?
Can we get back to that?

Blah blah..Amare cant play defense and neither can Nash, or the majority of the other players that have worn a SUNS jersey over the last 7 years....blah blah. We know this.....its not a debate is it?