Seriously, What Moves Have We Made Under Whiz That Paid Off?

[Mulli]

K9, props to you for posting that about DA. He was bad, but still better than those others. And kinda compares favorably to Kolb and Skelton.

:ducksforcover:

 

[Duckjake]

Trade up for DWash. Wouldn't have been necessary if Dansby hadn't left. Instead they could have made a great move and traded up to get Mike Iupati who on one play Monday blocked DWash, Lenon and AWilson.

 

[Duckjake]

Whisenhunt moves: Offense F Defense A+

One move he made that actually won us some games: Hired Ray Horton. That gets an A+ by itself.

He gets an F for running off my favorite player: Deuce Lutui.

 

[Superfuzz]

Rhodes and Jettisoning a pricey aging disgruntled Boldin.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Dans by was and is a stone cold bitch. I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad he is playing elsewhere.

 

[Mulli]

Dans by was and is a stone cold bitch. I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad he is playing elsewhere.

 

[Duckjake]

Rhodes and Jettisoning a pricey aging disgruntled Boldin.

I imagine Boldin is happy he is gone as well. Since the Ravens are 29-10 to the Cards 17-23. Q has been in the playoffs 2 years in a row and is likely headed to another while scud missiles fly over Fitz' head and ducks quack at Larry's feet.

 

[Superfuzz]

I imagine Boldin is happy he is gone as well. Since the Ravens are 29-10 to the Cards 17-23. Q has been in the playoffs 2 years in a row and is likely headed to another while scud missiles fly over Fitz' head and ducks quack at Larry's feet.

It's not as if the Cardinals' and Ravens' records have so much to do with Boldin's presence (and absence).

Believe me, the balls would be flying over Boldin's head, too. Let's cherry-pick Boldin's career stats, just like we can the Ravens' and Cards' records. He's been to one Super Bowl with the Cardinals, none with the Ravens. He's had no 1,000 yard receiving seasons with the Ravens. He's once again the second-best receiver on his team.

Boldin was getting (and now is) old, wanted WAY too much money, and didn't even want to be here. Just because he was a great receiver and Cardinal once upon a time doesn't mean it wasn't smart to send him on a slow-boat to Joe Flacco.

Ravens were good under Harbaugh before Boldin (11-5, 9-7) and have been good since. Why? Harbaugh, Ray Rice and the defense, mostly. Boldin was not as big a part of that team's success as plenty of other guys on that roster (Lewis, Reed, Ngata, Ray Rice, even Flacco)

When a guy isn't even ready to celebrate a team's first SB appearance ever with teammates and fans, you have to question whether he's a cancer. He seems happy in Baltimore, and good for him. But he did not want to be here and at the end was not the kind of guy anyone wants in the locker room. He wanted Larry-esque money when Larry was better than he was.

I can't fault Whiz and Graves for getting rid of him for (as it turned out) essentially Kerry Rhodes (since we traded the Ravens' pick for him). You swap a disgruntled, aging WR who hasn't been over 1,000 yards since he wanted to be paid like a top-5 guy here for a ballhawking young FS entering his prime. I have dumped on Whiz and Graves of late, but that is a pretty shrewd move any way you slice it.

 

[Cards_Campos]

True. But the bigger issue is that in letting a guy walk you have to use the draft pick to replace him instead of say getting an Offensive Guard that could possibly start and play well for you for 10 years. So instead of just DWash you could have Dansby AND a Guard. *

Instead of just Levi Brown you could have Leonard Davis AND Adrian Peterson. Instead of Kevin Kolb you could have Matt Leinart AND Tavon Wilson AND Rodgers-Cromartie AND Patrick Peterson. Instead of just Michael Floyd you could have Boldin or Breaston AND David DeCastro. (Note: these are just hypotheticals used to make a point but watch people get all worked up over the value of these mythical draft picks )

And this is why I'm glad to see the Cards finally starting to get quality players into their second contract with the team instead of losing them in their prime.

* Is it just me or were the pickings after DWash on the offensive side of the ball very slim in the 2010 draft?

Wow this is so right on and yet it is skipped over so easily by everyone.

I say this all the time..to myself and not here...but this is so right. We MAY get a better player for the guy who leaves but we the collective group we lose out. That is so dead right about Leonard Davis. He was playing the wrong position. If we kept him, we would have probably drafted Peterson.

The funny thing is....I think Whiz knows he screwed up with the Levi Pick. That is why he has drafted 2 RB's high now. I think he is afraid to let the next Peterson go by.

Funny thing....If Danny was fired a year before he was...we would have never drafted Leinart....in my opinion. Warner was still going to be here for awhile. I think Whiz goes after someone different. But if Danny was kept just 1 more year...we would have Peterson.

I dont understand why we dont hire Denny Green as a talent coordinator.

Dude Drafted Culpepper(who did very well for awhile) he went after and got Cunningham..and he went 15-1....He drafted Moss!....Fitzgerald!! Dansby, Pace, Rolle....and i am sure many more on the Vikings. The man knows talent.

 

[Duckjake]

It's not as if the Cardinals' and Ravens' records have so much to do with Boldin's presence (and absence).

Believe me, the balls would be flying over Boldin's head, too. Let's cherry-pick Boldin's career stats, just like we can the Ravens' and Cards' records. He's been to one Super Bowl with the Cardinals, none with the Ravens. He's had no 1,000 yard receiving seasons with the Ravens. He's once again the second-best receiver on his team.

Boldin was getting (and now is) old, wanted WAY too much money, and didn't even want to be here. Just because he was a great receiver and Cardinal once upon a time doesn't mean it wasn't smart to send him on a slow-boat to Joe Flacco.

Ravens were good under Harbaugh before Boldin (11-5, 9-7) and have been good since. Why? Harbaugh, Ray Rice and the defense, mostly. Boldin was not as big a part of that team's success as plenty of other guys on that roster (Lewis, Reed, Ngata, Ray Rice, even Flacco)

When a guy isn't even ready to celebrate a team's first SB appearance ever with teammates and fans, you have to question whether he's a cancer. He seems happy in Baltimore, and good for him. But he did not want to be here and at the end was not the kind of guy anyone wants in the locker room. He wanted Larry-esque money when Larry was better than he was.

I can't fault Whiz and Graves for getting rid of him for (as it turned out) essentially Kerry Rhodes (since we traded the Ravens' pick for him). You swap a disgruntled, aging WR who hasn't been over 1,000 yards since he wanted to be paid like a top-5 guy here for a ballhawking young FS entering his prime. I have dumped on Whiz and Graves of late, but that is a pretty shrewd move any way you slice it.

What does Boldin's effect on the records have to do with what I wrote? Like I said I'm sure Boldin is happier winning and going to the playoffs with the Ravens than being in Arizona with balls flying over his head and going 5-11.

And Rhodes isn't any ball hawking young FS. He's just an average FS in my opinion who is now 30 years old who got a reputation larger than his production by running in a couple of fumbles for TDs in 2010. The defensive turnaround last season was done with Rhodes out for 7 of the last 9 games. How important can he be to the defense?

 

[Stout]

I don't think Dan Williams has been near as effective since he lost weight. Medium Dan doesn't seem as good as plugging the middle as Big Dan.

Yep. He's getting moved around far more without the weight. They need to bulk the dumpster back up

 

[TJ]

People act like Whiz is Romeo Crennel. Be careful what you wish for, especially in the NFL.

Ding ding!

You fire Whiz:

a) you better have a LEGIT reason to do so

b) exhaust all other options (fire coordinators, etc.)

c) have a good candidate in mind


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[Duckjake]

Ding ding!

You fire Whiz:

a) you better have a LEGIT reason to do so

b) exhaust all other options (fire coordinators, etc.)

c) have a good candidate in mind


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Don't even need to really fire Grimm. Just bring in an "assistant" offensive line coach who is the "real" offensive line coach and let Grimm just hang out with CKW. The Ravens and Texans for example have asst offensive line coaches so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for the Cards to get one. Grimm is gone but not gone and everyone is happy.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

And, I think it's only fair to point out, that Warner did get a chance to start pre-Whisenhunt. And, that was a miserable failure and NO ONE was sad to see Warner hit the bench and Leinart get the reins. I remember wearing my Warner jersey that season and never heard one positive comment about him. He was a turnover machine pre-Whis, with the worst one being that horrible fumbled handoff inside the red zone that cost us a win over the Rams. Brutal.

Whoever had the idea of the gloves, that was a good one. Warner still fumbled, but it was a lot less.

Two Words: Todd Haley.

 

[D-Dogg]

Don't even need to really fire Grimm. Just bring in an "assistant" offensive line coach who is the "real" offensive line coach and let Grimm just hang out with CKW. The Ravens and Texans for example have asst offensive line coaches so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for the Cards to get one. Grimm is gone but not gone and everyone is happy.

:number1:

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

IF CARDs lose to GB and ATL it will be three consecutive seasons losing at least six consecutive games. That would gett most coaches canned.

 

[conraddobler]

Two Words: Todd Haley.

I know but everyone else credit's Whiz.

In truth his platooning of the QB's to screw with Matt was the stroke of genius that even allowed Warner to see the field long enough for the gloves to work.

This is a case of his jerkish personality working for him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I know but everyone else credit's Whiz.

In truth his platooning of the QB's to screw with Matt was the stroke of genius that even allowed Warner to see the field long enough for the gloves to work.

This is a case of his jerkish personality working for him.

You say jerk, I say class act. I'm not above firing a class act, though. Something has to change around here but I would hope that Whiz is willing to make the tough decision. I don't really know who's to blame for this o line mess but it doesn't really matter. There needs to be some accountability for the lack of talent and lack of development across that line regardless of who is ultimately to blame.

Steve

 

[NJCardFan]

You say jerk, I say class act. I'm not above firing a class act, though. Something has to change around here but I would hope that Whiz is willing to make the tough decision. I don't really know who's to blame for this o line mess but it doesn't really matter. There needs to be some accountability for the lack of talent and lack of development across that line regardless of who is ultimately to blame.

Steve

How can Whiz not shoulder the blame for the bad OL? Who else is there to blame? Grimm? To a degree but when if you give an artist crap to work with, you aren't going to get the Mona Lisa. Whiz ignored the OL throughout his tenure here. Only 1 top 3 pick has been an O-lineman and the only free agents brought in have been washed up Steelers.

 

[AzStevenCal]

How can Whiz not shoulder the blame for the bad OL? Who else is there to blame? Grimm? To a degree but when if you give an artist crap to work with, you aren't going to get the Mona Lisa. Whiz ignored the OL throughout his tenure here. Only 1 top 3 pick has been an O-lineman and the only free agents brought in have been washed up Steelers.

Whiz is the Head Coach which certainly puts some of the blame for this fiasco on him. But, I really don't know who has made the decisions that have led us to this point - I'm just saying I'm comfortable with firing whoever that turns out to be. It doesn't matter if it's Grimm, Whiz, Graves, Keim or whoever - fire the man responsible.

Steve

 

[Darkside]

The signs of pain-to-come where there when they cut Leinart. It's laughable now really, that one of our complaints about Matt was his captain checkdown mentality. His last pre-season game he was, what, 70% completions on checkdowns? We hated that he didn't go deep to Fitz but do we see that now in any way? Our dudes don't have time to go deep.

I'm in no way suggesting Matt would have brought the wins but does he lose like DA and Max Hall? Matt knew what Warner knew: That this line would get him killed. So he threw it to the flats, threw short curls, threw square-ins over the middle...and we tore him up for it. LOL. Leinart wasn't the solution, but he was a symptom of the problem: that our offensive line sucked hard. So Whiz brings in a guy with a big gun in DA, instead of addressing the issue (it wasn't QB) with our line...and we still haven't recovered. 3 years later.

It's not just a lack of talent problem, not after this long. It's a coaching problem in that they haven't replaced sub-par talent. When Levi Brown is your best guy on the line...and he goes down and everyone is pining for the good 'ol days...when that happens you know you have total and absolute crap on your line. And have for awhile. Look at the guys they have brought in: not only a poor job of talent evaluation but a piss-poor job on developing any of them. It took years to get this bad and won't be fixed in one offseason. The best we can do is suck less.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Wow this is so right on and yet it is skipped over so easily by everyone.

I say this all the time..to myself and not here...but this is so right. We MAY get a better player for the guy who leaves but we the collective group we lose out. That is so dead right about Leonard Davis. He was playing the wrong position. If we kept him, we would have probably drafted Peterson.

The funny thing is....I think Whiz knows he screwed up with the Levi Pick. That is why he has drafted 2 RB's high now. I think he is afraid to let the next Peterson go by.

Funny thing....If Danny was fired a year before he was...we would have never drafted Leinart....in my opinion. Warner was still going to be here for awhile. I think Whiz goes after someone different. But if Danny was kept just 1 more year...we would have Peterson.

I dont understand why we dont hire Denny Green as a talent coordinator.

Dude Drafted Culpepper(who did very well for awhile) he went after and got Cunningham..and he went 15-1....He drafted Moss!....Fitzgerald!! Dansby, Pace, Rolle....and i am sure many more on the Vikings. The man knows talent.

Leonard Davis signed a $49M deal to play guard in Dallas.

There was no one, as I recall, who thought at the time that he was worth anywhere near that for any 0-line position in AZ. Lamenting his departure today, and what may or may not have occured had he stayed is a lot of 20-20 revisionism.

 

[Bobcat]

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[Superfuzz]

What does Boldin's effect on the records have to do with what I wrote? Like I said I'm sure Boldin is happier winning and going to the playoffs with the Ravens than being in Arizona with balls flying over his head and going 5-11.

And Rhodes isn't any ball hawking young FS. He's just an average FS in my opinion who is now 30 years old who got a reputation larger than his production by running in a couple of fumbles for TDs in 2010. The defensive turnaround last season was done with Rhodes out for 7 of the last 9 games. How important can he be to the defense?

I'm sure he's happier. But that has nothing to do with the fact that it was a good move the Cardinals organization to get rid of him for a younger, better player.

Rhodes was 27 when we got him, mind you, and have you seen the man with the ball in his hands? I like his coverage skills WAY more than Antrel "I almost lost us the greatest playoff game ever" Rolle. Rhodes is certainly better than the average NFL FS, albeit maybe a shade below pro-bowl level. A better investment than paying 8 million a year or so to Boldin. Let him have his 800 yards a year in Baltimore. Sorry Anquan, luv ya, but you're NOT as good as Larry, and you're now the second best WR on your team again.