Shaquille O'Neal?

[mojorizen7]

IF. If the deal is Marion/Banks for Shaq i'd consider this. If it also involves a second player from Miami that can suit up,dribble,run,pass,rebound,or shoot then i'd pull the trigger.
I've already read here where the concerns about a frontline of Shaq & Amare spells trouble on offense. Offense. Offense. Offense. Get real. Moving the Matrix for Chris Dudley wouldn't hinder our offense much the way i see it. The SUNS are always going to find ways to score with DA on the sideline.
Shaq can still change shot's. He can help clog the lane that as of right now going forward is an open invitation to season highs for opposing big men.
Those of you who think we're fine or we're right there, i can understand your position on a deal like this. For those of us who believe that this team is headed for another playoff beat down for all the same reasons....it's a trade to at least consider.

 

[AnotherHOMER]

I'd pull the trigger!!!!!

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[mojorizen7]

Show me one team in NBA history that has changed their system mid season and went on to have success?

I can't.
The SUNS system changes in the playoffs EVERY YEAR regardless of what DA & co LIKE TO RUN. It slows down. The emphasis lies on half court execution on offense, rebounding & defense. You all know that. Shaq absolutely does not fit our system but that very same system gets shot to hell every post-season. Thats why i'd consider making this deal. Not to fight for the #1 overall playoff seed, thats ignorant.

 

[HooverDam]

I can't.
The SUNS system changes in the playoffs EVERY YEAR regardless of what DA & co LIKE TO RUN. It slows down. The emphasis lies on half court execution on offense, rebounding & defense. You all know that. Shaq absolutely does not fit our system but that very same system gets shot to hell every post-season. Thats why i'd consider making this deal. Not to fight for the #1 overall playoff seed, thats ignorant.

Ahh, your cliche machine is in full overdrive mode. Does the NBA slow down in the playoffs? The Suns point totals for the most part stay at or near the same level and their shots per game stays the same, but I guess if Greg Anthony says it slows down then it does.

 

[mojorizen7]

Does the NBA slow down in the playoffs?

Yes. It does my friend. And if you believe that me & Greg Anthony are the only two people that believe that then i'm sorry.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Three years removed from Marion having 1 bad playoff series and he still gets the same bullcrap from the same people.

Marion is great in the playoffs against any team but San Antonio. That's a fact.

 

[Covert Rain]

Ahh, your cliche machine is in full overdrive mode. Does the NBA slow down in the playoffs? The Suns point totals for the most part stay at or near the same level and their shots per game stays the same, but I guess if Greg Anthony says it slows down then it does.

I agree. Everybody said the Suns couldn't run in the playoffs yet they have proved everyone wrong year after year. The problem has not been the Suns inability to run. The problem has been their inability to stop the other team.

This will be a unmitigated disaster if the Suns think they can change their system, get everyone on the same page and develop any sort of chemistry before the playoffs. If we make this trade it's a desperation move IMO.

Not to mention, if this trade does go down and it turns into a disaster....

MARK THIS DOWN

Sarver will blow this team up in the off season and this team will give up on the title and officially enter rebuilding mode. This man will show no financial patience with this team nor would he put up with the salaries and losing. Remember that rumors were hot that Sarver had to be talked into letting this team ride as is because of the salaries.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Dave Burns has been ranting about this being possibly the stupidest thing the Suns could do and I agree.

Should this happen though, Shawn Marion's and Dan Marjele's careers in Phoenix will seem awfully identical. Both will be the third wheel on a team. Both will be needlessly blamed for their team's failures in the playoffs. Both will be traded for a slow, aging, frequently injured center. Both will play for Miami.

 

[mojorizen7]

any team but San Antonio.

That does the SUNS a lot of good.

 

[DeAnna]

I would do it, and here's why. This team as it currently stands is not going to win a championship. I doubt they even make it out of the second round of the playoffs. They aren't assured a championship was Shaquille O'Neal, but I certainly like their chances a lot more. The Phoenix Suns do not need a center to run up and down the court with them. They need somebody to clog up the middle on defense and clear the boards. Shaq can do that and is a great passer to get the ball out to the runners.

I also think Shaquille O'Neal would be on a mission to prove he is still a great player. He's got to know that if he could bring a championship here it would just take him up another level on the list of greatest players.

I'm not even a Shaquille O'Neal fan, and I would do it.

Joe Mama

Yeah, then the Suns would have to play 4 on offense vs 5 defenders.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Sarver won't blow it up because Slaq will be due $40 million dollars for the next two seasons. No ability to do so. That's why Miami wants to give him away.

But Slaq should sell a few jersey's and seats so Sarver will probably be happy anyway.

On the bright side our quest to successfully build a 1998 championship team will be complete.

 

[mojorizen7]

The problem has not been the Suns inability to run. The problem has been their inability to stop the other team.

And why do you think they can't they stop anybody? Because they emphasize running & scoring. It's like a freakin' paradox of failure.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

That does the SUNS a lot of good.

Then people should say, Marion only averages 15 and 9 against San Antonio.

Again hardly disappearing. Marion disappearing in the playoffs is a myth that needs to die.

 

[Black Jesus]

I'd like this trade. First of all it puts Amare at his natural position, gives us an interior post up defender, and gets rid of Marion.

I don't think Shaq is going to embarass himself and hang on if its over, I see him trying to get a ring and then retiring.

Shaq still scares the crap out of most players in the league and he is a bully and refs give him calls. So what he cant run, we aren't a running team anymore anyway. 90% of what we do is in the half court now.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Just to fully emphasize the myth:

9.1 and 8.8
14.8 and 8.3
18.5 and 11.7
17.6 and 11.8
20.4 and 11.7
16.9 and 10.4

career playoff average:

17.1 and 10.9

A double double average for the playoffs. Just stop the hateraide.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here's the way I look at it. The Suns just simply do not have the beef and defense up front to win a Championship this season. Also the Suns fast break offense has slowed down. Small and slow just doesn't cut it. Getting rid of Marion's contract (who is going to leave anyway) and Banks for a player that can give the Suns a chance to win a Championship now is huge. I'm not saying that Shaq could deliver a Championship to Phoenix but I know he is capable of giving Phoenix that chance which they don't have now. IMO, if the Suns stand pat, it is a losing hand. I would certainly be willing to listen to other trade offers as well but perhaps this is best option out there.

 

[BirdMan21]

The "source" on the RealGM site who started this about a week ago on those boards is taking bets now that this deal goes down. Makes me wonder who he really knows and how close this actually is.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=755936&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

 

[mojorizen7]

Dave Burns has been ranting about this being possibly the stupidest thing the Suns could do and I agree.

Should this happen though, Shawn Marion's and Dan Marjele's careers in Phoenix will seem awfully identical. Both will be the third wheel on a team. Both will be needlessly blamed for their team's failures in the playoffs. Both will be traded for a slow, aging, frequently injured center. Both will play for Miami.

I see what your sayin with this but can you really compare Not-so-Hot rod Williams & O'Neill? Shaq is definately slow & out of shape but he's still arguably the strongest man in the league. Which counts for something when we're trying to match up with a bunch of 6' 9" forwards.

 

[Nash2Amare]

Fake rumors FTL

 

[mojorizen7]

Just to fully emphasize the myth:

9.1 and 8.8
14.8 and 8.3
18.5 and 11.7
17.6 and 11.8
20.4 and 11.7
16.9 and 10.4

career playoff average:

17.1 and 10.9

A double double average for the playoffs. Just stop the hateraide.

I don't hate Marion.
Dig out his shooting percentages. I don't know where to get this stuff.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'd like this trade. First of all it puts Amare at his natural position, gives us an interior post up defender, and gets rid of Marion.

I don't think Shaq is going to embarass himself and hang on if its over, I see him trying to get a ring and then retiring.

Shaq still scares the crap out of most players in the league and he is a bully and refs give him calls. So what he cant run, we aren't a running team anymore anyway. 90% of what we do is in the half court now.

This isn't 1998. Slaq doesn't scare anyone. He doesn't play because he is fat, slow, and always injured.

There is a reason his team has the worst record in the NBA. He is part of it.

LMAO...I just looked up Slaq's FT percentage for the last few YEARS.

49%
46%
46%
42%
48%
52%

42% from the Free Throw line???? For a year???

This is a guy who refuses to work on any aspect of his game, including the basic fundamentals, for some 11 years and people think he is going to come here and suddenly recapture his good years?

He is going to come here and cash his $40 million dollars. Which is exactly why he won't hang them up.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Shaq can still change shot's. He can help clog the lane...

This is the only thing Shaq can clog right now.

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[Chris_Sanders]

I don't hate Marion.
Dig out his shooting percentages. I don't know where to get this stuff.

A fair point. Again that "disappeared years ago". Coincidently when we acquired Nash.

41%
37%
37%
48%
49%
50%

 

[mojorizen7]

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Hey come on....Shaq is shooting a career high 48.5% from the FT line.

 

[Mainstreet]

This is the only thing Shaq can clog right now.

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If he also can still rebound and slam dunk the ball when Nash passes the ball to him underneath the basket, this is enough for me.