Sharpening the Edges

[GatorAZ]

Early EDGE prediction:

2. Cleveland - Abdul Carter
9. New Orleans - James Pierce Jr
12. Dallas - Mike Green
15. Atlanta - Mykel Williams
16. Arizona - Shemar Stewart (sorry Stout)
17. Cincy - Jalon Walker
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If it comes down to DE Stewart vs DE/LB Walker vs DT Nolen I’m going with the physical anomaly in Stewart. Will be a 21 year old rookie to start the season. The lack of production pops out but it’s not like we’re not picking top-10 and the physical upside is too salivating. @Ouchie-Z-Clown pointed out he’s slimmer which is true but he wore his playing weight & Sr Bowl weight pretty well before the combine.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Early EDGE prediction:

2. Cleveland - Abdul Carter
9. New Orleans - James Pierce Jr
12. Dallas - Mike Green
15. Atlanta - Mykel Williams
16. Arizona - Shemar Stewart (sorry Stout)
17. Cincy - Jalon Walker
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If it comes down to DE Stewart vs DE/LB Walker vs DT Nolen I’m going with the physical anomaly in Stewart. Will be a 21 year old rookie to start the season. The lack of production pops out but it’s not like we’re not picking top-10 and the physical upside is too salivating. @Ouchie-Z-Clown pointed out he’s slimmer which is true but he wore his playing weight & Sr Bowl weight pretty well before the combine.

Picking Stewart is incredibly risky, and a risk I doubt Monti will take. His production based on his measurables is laughable.

 

[GatorAZ]

Picking Stewart is incredibly risky, and a risk I doubt Monti will take. His production based on his measurables is laughable.

Or Monti could be looking at it like he’d be a top-5 pick next year if he returned to A&M. Again we’re talking about him likely being the 5th+ edge off the board.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Or Monti could be looking at it like he’d be a top-5 pick next year if he returned to A&M. Again we’re talking about him likely being the 5th+ edge off the board.

Top 5 picks match productivity and measurables. Having 1.5 sacks every year for 3 years shows consistency, but not the consistency anyone wants. Garrett had similar measurables and averaged almost 11 sacks per year. If he's so talented, why can't he get to the QB in college?

Someone will surely talk themselves into Stewart for the obvious reasons, but I personally don't like taking the risk.

 

[oaken1]

Early EDGE prediction:

2. Cleveland - Abdul Carter
9. New Orleans - James Pierce Jr
12. Dallas - Mike Green
15. Atlanta - Mykel Williams
16. Arizona - Shemar Stewart (sorry Stout)
17. Cincy - Jalon Walker
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If it comes down to DE Stewart vs DE/LB Walker vs DT Nolen I’m going with the physical anomaly in Stewart. Will be a 21 year old rookie to start the season. The lack of production pops out but it’s not like we’re not picking top-10 and the physical upside is too salivating. @Ouchie-Z-Clown pointed out he’s slimmer which is true but he wore his playing weight & Sr Bowl weight pretty well before the combine.

With those choices our defense would be better served by getting Nolen and adding an edge in round 2

 

[Totally_Red]

With those choices our defense would be better served by getting Nolen and adding an edge in round 2

Or trading back.

 

[Chopper0080]

Donovan Ezeiruaku needs to get talked about being in play for #16

You might have already seen this but 6.94 3 cone.

 

[Chopper0080]

Or trading back.

I think trading back could be an easy way to be at the wrong end of a run.

 

[DVontel]

Most reassuring aspect of Campbell’s hybrid status is that Alabama did it to get him on the field with Turner and Campbell.

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[Denny Green Fan]

the ITS EARLY take on edge in the draft at #16

the YES! group:

Jalon Walker, GA
James Pearce, TEN
Mike Green, Marshall

the "I sure hope Monti sees something I dont" group at 16:

Mykel Williams, GA
Shemar Stewart, TX AM

Anybody else get the feeling Monti would pass on Mike green and pierce because they are concerned about character issues? Not saying he should pass on them…I could see the panthers bringing pierce home and the falcons take green anyway….if I had to guess right now I would say the pick at 16 is mykell Williams …Stewart or Nolan…

 

[football karma]

Early EDGE prediction:

2. Cleveland - Abdul Carter
9. New Orleans - James Pierce Jr
12. Dallas - Mike Green
15. Atlanta - Mykel Williams
16. Arizona - Shemar Stewart (sorry Stout)
17. Cincy - Jalon Walker
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If it goes that way, there is likely an outstanding offensive tackle or defensive lineman on the board.

 

[Cardinal88]

I watched several videos of Stewart and was not impressed. Grated, I don’t know what his role was but even when he got to the QB, he doesn’t make the sack. I’d rather go OL or DT.

 

[Chopper0080]

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I was stating it as a compliment. Alabama chose to play him at ILB rather than keep him behind Turner and Anderson at EDGE. Wanted their best players on the field.

 

[DVontel]

I was stating it as a compliment. Alabama chose to play him at ILB rather than keep him behind Turner and Anderson at EDGE. Wanted their best players on the field.

Oh, I know you were. It wasn’t a diss.

That reply was more so that I’m pretty sure we’re both intrigued at drafting Jihaad & seeing how special he might be.

 

[Stout]

Early EDGE prediction:

2. Cleveland - Abdul Carter
9. New Orleans - James Pierce Jr
12. Dallas - Mike Green
15. Atlanta - Mykel Williams
16. Arizona - Shemar Stewart (sorry Stout)
17. Cincy - Jalon Walker
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If it comes down to DE Stewart vs DE/LB Walker vs DT Nolen I’m going with the physical anomaly in Stewart. Will be a 21 year old rookie to start the season. The lack of production pops out but it’s not like we’re not picking top-10 and the physical upside is too salivating. @Ouchie-Z-Clown pointed out he’s slimmer which is true but he wore his playing weight & Sr Bowl weight pretty well before the combine.

I love that you get me.

Big thumbs down on Stewart for lack of productivity and WGAF about the combine? Nolen all day, every day.

 

[BritCard]

I think Monti and JG are going to love Shemar Stewart. He's smart, high character and a physical freak. Versatile too, which is something they seem to like. His physical profile means he can play 7 or 5 making him an every down player for their front. Can also use him inside on passing downs.

If you want early contributions then he's a safer bet than a lot of the other guys, a lot of the smaller, lighter guys like Green are going to struggle physically in the NFL for a while. Stewart is already fully grown. Even if he can't win initially with technique he's going to F things up with power. If you were to ask which which guy is most likely to get 7 sacks in year one except Carter I'd probably go with Stewart. The question for me is about his ceiling. Can he improve his technique so he can win multiple ways and become a 12-15 sack guy?

I still think he's gone by #16.

 

[TheCardFan]

Can he improve his technique so he can win multiple ways and become a 12-15 sack guy?

Can you point to a single player in the history of the NFL that went from a max sack number of 1.5 after three years in college to a "12-15" sack guy in the NFL?

Dude played three years at the college level and got 1.5 sacks per year. This is where teams get in trouble with the combine and potential.

 

[BritCard]

My concern about Donovan Ezeiruaku is that he didn't look quick on tape, and him going to to combine and testing but skipping the 40 tells me that he knows it.

Not sure I feel great about a 248lb guy that I would guess runs around 4.7. At Princely had the good grace to show us he wasn't fast.

A lot of his high sack numbers are inside moves against crappy tackles I'm not sure he gets away with in the NFL. Not sure where I stand with him.

 

[BritCard]

Can you point to a single player in the history of the NFL that went from a max sack number of 1.5 after three years in college to a "12-15" sack guy in the NFL?

Dude played three years at the college level and got 1.5 sacks per year. This is where teams get in trouble with the combine and potential.

There's lots of instances on his film of him getting the the QB but the QB throwing it away or duking/running out of his grip. Teams are going to see that and know it's fixable.

It's not like he isn't beating tackles or getting pressures, his issue has been converting them to sacks.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I think Monti and JG are going to love Shemar Stewart. He's smart, high character and a physical freak. Versatile too, which is something they seem to like. His physical profile means he can play 7 or 5 making him an every down player for their front. Can also use him inside on passing downs.

If you want early contributions then he's a safer bet than a lot of the other guys, a lot of the smaller, lighter guys like Green are going to struggle physically in the NFL for a while. Stewart is already fully grown. Even if he can't win initially with technique he's going to F things up with power. If you were to ask which which guy is most likely to get 7 sacks in year one except Carter I'd probably go with Stewart. The question for me is about his ceiling. Can he improve his technique so he can win multiple ways and become a 12-15 sack guy?

I still think he's gone by #16.

Yep stewart will be too hard to resist for some team early…kind of similar to a man finding out a gorgeous woman making 6 figures and no baggage is interested in him…who could resist? ….same with Stewart….the speed …the power..the motor…the character( heard him say in an interview his goal is to help others) ….he had a lot of pressures and chases hard…if mykell…Stewart and Nolan are off the board and we are not interested in the lighter pierce or green how about scourton? I would be cool with him ….

 

[Stout]

I think Monti and JG are going to love Shemar Stewart. He's smart, high character and a physical freak. Versatile too, which is something they seem to like. His physical profile means he can play 7 or 5 making him an every down player for their front. Can also use him inside on passing downs.

If you want early contributions then he's a safer bet than a lot of the other guys, a lot of the smaller, lighter guys like Green are going to struggle physically in the NFL for a while. Stewart is already fully grown. Even if he can't win initially with technique he's going to F things up with power. If you were to ask which which guy is most likely to get 7 sacks in year one except Carter I'd probably go with Stewart. The question for me is about his ceiling. Can he improve his technique so he can win multiple ways and become a 12-15 sack guy?

I still think he's gone by #16.

Have we not learned our lesson?

 

[Stout]

There's lots of instances on his film of him getting the the QB but the QB throwing it away or duking/running out of his grip. Teams are going to see that and know it's fixable.

It's not like he isn't beating tackles or getting pressures, his issue has been converting them to sacks.

#1: Can you answer the question asked? He was a 1.5 a year sack guy. How many of them turn into huge sack producers in the NFL?

#2: If they're able to duke you/run out of your grip/throw it away so you can't close the deal, that will be significantly worse in the NFL. That's a big gap to close for a prospect. You fervently hope you can get him to completely fix his game to meet that athletic potential, but it's very much hopium. Maybe he can, but the odds are stacked against him.

#3: With tons of great prospects looking to be available, it would be prime Keim to roll the dice on the unproductive athlete. Prime. Keim.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

There's lots of instances on his film of him getting the the QB but the QB throwing it away or duking/running out of his grip. Teams are going to see that and know it's fixable.

It's not like he isn't beating tackles or getting pressures, his issue has been converting them to sacks.

That wasn't the question.

"Can you point to a single player in the history of the NFL that went from a max sack number of 1.5 after three years in college to a "12-15" sack guy in the NFL?"

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I was stating it as a compliment. Alabama chose to play him at ILB rather than keep him behind Turner and Anderson at EDGE. Wanted their best players on the field.

Seems risky for the Cards, considering we've tried this multiple times with other intriguing multi position prospects, only for it to blow up in our faces.

 

[BritCard]

#1: Can you answer the question asked? He was a 1.5 a year sack guy. How many of them turn into huge sack producers in the NFL?

#2: If they're able to duke you/run out of your grip/throw it away so you can't close the deal, that will be significantly worse in the NFL. That's a big gap to close for a prospect. You fervently hope you can get him to completely fix his game to meet that athletic potential, but it's very much hopium. Maybe he can, but the odds are stacked against him.

#3: With tons of great prospects looking to be available, it would be prime Keim to roll the dice on the unproductive athlete. Prime. Keim.

Depends on your definition of "huge sack producers". By the same token though, how many guys have been great in college and done nothing in the league?

But from current players, Oweh, Travon Walker and Danielle Hunter are all 10+ sack guys. Jonathon Cooper, the Denver guy they just extended over Browning had 10.5 sacks this year and never had more than 3.5 in college. Same happens on the interior. Kobie Turner that the Rams drafted had a single 2 sack season in college and has 17 sacks in 2 years in the NFL.

On point 2, I don't think it will be worse in the NFL. One thing I noticed when watching his misses is that he's often the only guy in the backfield, which meant QB's on deep college drops had a tonne of open field to move about in. I think the NFL favors him with tighter pockets and more help.

But all this is by the by really as Stewart, for the want of an inch or two and a bit of luck, could easily have racked up 5 sacks a year. GM's will see that on tape and not be concerned with his numbers.

I'm not saying your wrong to be concerned, you can find something to be concerned about for most draft picks, but I don't think it's set in stone that he's not an NFL talent, and I think teams will be very high on him.