Shefter--Cards in talks with Q on Extention

[cardsfanmd]

For the most part I agree we should focus on the running game through the OLine. Fitz costing us Faneca will sting all year, but I think you would agree that if we completely sacrifice the WR position to be good at running we won't be successful either. If you look back almost every team that won the SB had at least 1 WR who had over 1000 yards that season in recent history. Do we need 2? No. Can we afford 2? If we follow the Colts model then maybe. Will it happen with Graves as GM? No.

 

[Brian]

Cardsfanmd,

Are you drinking tonight? I only ask because you are in rare a-hole form this entire thread.

What gives?

 

[mjb21aztd]

Good lets get both receivers signed to a nice contract

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

For what it's worth, Urban mentions Q in his blog today, and he is closer to this team than we are:

"Anquan Boldin is signed for three more seasons. His salaries are $2.5 million, $2.75 million and $3 million in that time. I am guessing that won't be enough, especially with an agent like Drew Rosenhaus, now that Fitzgerald has a new deal. Here's also guessing that Boldin won't make a big stink about it either. He might let the right people know how he feels, but he isn't going Chad Johnson on anybody."
http://www.azcardinals.com/blog/blog.php?author=1

Again, take this for what it is worth...

 

[chicards11]

For what it's worth, Urban mentions Q in his blog today, and he is closer to this team than we are:

"Anquan Boldin is signed for three more seasons. His salaries are $2.5 million, $2.75 million and $3 million in that time. I am guessing that won't be enough, especially with an agent like Drew Rosenhaus, now that Fitzgerald has a new deal. Here's also guessing that Boldin won't make a big stink about it either. He might let the right people know how he feels, but he isn't going Chad Johnson on anybody."
http://www.azcardinals.com/blog/blog.php?author=1

Again, take this for what it is worth...

thats what im thinking...... I just cant see him putting up a stink right after fitz's contract. Thats very umproffesional IMO......but in todays NFL, its not suprising. I think the key is drafting a solid RB this year or next and letting go of you-know-who's contract. Somethings gotta balence out

 

[DaisyCutter]

Actually you are wrong. I know exactly who I am thinking about. I am think of D-Dock who said last year in an interview that he is looking for the team to shred his contract because he deserves it.

Get your facts straight and get back to me. This isn't something I am pulling out of my ..., this is common knowledge that someone like you who should atleast pretend to know.

When I am dealing with people who dont know what they are talking about that isn't so tough.

I don't really want to wade into a fight here, but I think you're putting words in Dockett's mouth. I'm pretty sure what Dockett said (and he was quoted in one of the Cardinal Underground podcasts) was that he wanted to perform so well that they have to tear up the contract that he signed. That's not asking for a contract upgrade now. That's expressing his goal.

 

[dogpoo32]

I don't really want to wade into a fight here, but I think you're putting words in Dockett's mouth. I'm pretty sure what Dockett said (and he was quoted in one of the Cardinal Underground podcasts) was that he wanted to perform so well that they have to tear up the contract that he signed. That's not asking for a contract upgrade now. That's expressing his goal.

Good point and thanks for showing the source. That sounds a hell of a lot better than Darnell demanding a new contract.

 

[Shane]

OK, First off Q is gonna walk IMO the cards are not going to put over 25 mil in their #1 and 2 WR. Q is going to want at least 2 or 3 more a year than Fitz.

The Cards are not the Colts or Pats, they have MVP QB's Leinart hasnt even made a Pro Bowl yet. They also have 5 times the OL that we have.

None of this money is going to extend players IMO, they are focusing on filling the roster now. We have to hit HRs on all of our draft picks bc all of them will be making the final roster.

Please enlighten us on how exactly he is going to walk? Especially considering he is under contact 3 more years.

 

[HookemCards]

OK, First off Q is gonna walk IMO the cards are not going to put over 25 mil in their #1 and 2 WR. Q is going to want at least 2 or 3 more a year than Fitz.

The Cards are not the Colts or Pats, they have MVP QB's Leinart hasnt even made a Pro Bowl yet. They also have 5 times the OL that we have.

None of this money is going to extend players IMO, they are focusing on filling the roster now. We have to hit HRs on all of our draft picks bc all of them will be making the final roster.

Q is under contract for 3 more years so he isn't going anywhere unless traded. Also there is no way he will ask for 2 or 3 mil more a year than Fitz. 2 or 3 less than Fitz I can see. The only way he sees anywhere close to this deal is incentive laden contract based on games played, receptions, PB appearances and playoffs, etc.

The hyperbole and rhetoric on this thread is unreal. We aren't a crappy running team because of Fitz and Q, quite the opposite actually, they are both considered outstanding downfield blockers. Our biggest problems with running the ball is we have Wells playing LG when he is better suited to be backup LT, and Gandy playing LT when he'd be better at LG, and a aging RB that can't hit the holes fast enough.

For those of you bashing Graves for the Fitz contract, your simply wrong, its a good contract for us the 1st 3 years (not 11 mil per) and just like his last contract he won't see the 4th year. Dansby won't walk after this year, we can restructure him for 2 mil less (cap hit wise) and he'll be happy. You want to hammer on Graves, do it for things he deserves: not having any scouts that are good at assessing OL talent in the draft, moving at a snail like pace on bringing in FA or working on extensions. Bashing him for this contract, and future contracts of Q, Wilson, Dansby and Dockett is premature and quite frankly wrong.

We now have close to 10 mil in cap space. If we cut Shipp we are close to 12, restructure Warner and Gandy 16 mil., more than enough to bring in a couple of good front line FA, and a couple of depth guys. I just wish Graves would work a little faster, he's already missed out on two of the top OG on the FA market. Bring in Law, and Douglas and scour the films to see if any of the remaining OT or OG are starting upgrades, or good depth.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If that is true, I think it's very smart to do that now. With Rosenhaus as an agent, my concern is he will hold out of training camp. This would let Boldin know he's just as important and prevent ego-bruising.

Boldin didn't hold out the last time they talked contracts and he won't this time. Actually last time Boldin stated that he wouldn't hold out regardless of the situation and was pretty firm in that stance.

You can even search this board to find that.

Anquan Boldin will not walk, the Cardinals will not let that happen. He is the face of the franchise. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion about this but I will never waiver in the fact that Boldin is a Cardinal for life.

That being said I am out of here. This thread is scary.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

For the most part I agree we should focus on the running game through the OLine. Fitz costing us Faneca will sting all year.

That is a huge assumption that is simply not true. The Cardinals were not going to give him 50 mil.

 

[Zeno]

Boldin didn't hold out the last time they talked contracts and he won't this time. Actually last time Boldin stated that he wouldn't hold out regardless of the situation and was pretty firm in that stance.

You can even search this board to find that.

He did hold out but only for some of the mini camps...which isn't a big deal. He was getting blasted by some people but not on the level of Fitz. It was the same offseason that Javon Walker refused to show up to Packers mini camps and Favre ripped him. I don't think he'll hold out, we have a few years to get a deal done.

Can't people just be happy that Fitz is in camp? That his cap number this year and next has pretty much been cut in half or that in no year during the remainder of his contract will he have a number approaching what his number this year would have been under his original deal (a deal he didn't have to re-negotiate)?

I thought the signing would have made people happy and cut down on the garbage posts but nope.

 

[HoodieBets]

Please enlighten us on how exactly he is going to walk? Especially considering he is under contact 3 more years.

When his contract is up he will walk IF he plays out his whole contract which he wont. No way Drew is going to let him play for 3 mil a year when fitz is getting paid close to 11 so either he gets a new contract or he will be traded or threaten to sit.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How about the people that bashed Fitz for not doing what's good for the team. Well, Boldin kind of did the same thing. I don't blame Q or Fitz for getting all they can but Boldin wanted to wait until after Fitz was done to re-do his deal. So, if you bashed Fitz, you need to bash Q as well. He wouldn't even talk until after Fitz even though the Cards approached him. I know their offer wasn't great but they could've been talking. Fotz never made a big stink either or threatened to hold out but he got lambasted by some. I wonder if Boldin gets the same. To me, i like Boldin better as a player, but,in reality, Fitz is worth more. He's younger, less injury prone(so far),and a bigger red zone threat.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

When his contract is up he will walk IF he plays out his whole contract which he wont. No way Drew is going to let him play for 3 mil a year when fitz is getting paid close to 11 so either he gets a new contract or he will be traded or threaten to sit.

http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1653197&postcount=60

 

[DoTheDew]

That is a huge assumption that is simply not true. The Cardinals were not going to give him 50 mil.

It's an assumption based on words out of Faneca's mouth. Whether Faneca was going to sign here for less to be with his old bosses or not remains to be seen but he was interested in coming here.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It's an assumption based on words out of Faneca's mouth. Whether Faneca was going to sign here for less to be with his old bosses or not remains to be seen but he was interested in coming here.

He was interested, true.

If he wanted to sign here for less he could have still done that, and quite easily at that. There is no penalty for being over the cap right now. You just got to be under it at some point in the summer (I do not know the date as of right now)

His AGENT definately said Fitzgerald caused us to lose Faneca. But sports agents are scum, and personally that was the most unproffesional thing I have ever heard put out in public. IF it is true. Since we get that information from the same idiots that said Fitzgerald was as good as trade, or that Fitzgerald's contract talks have stopped, or Fitzgerald's deal is no where close when 5 hours later it was done.

Take it how you want. But to lament over a guy who I don't think was going to be signed anyway is a waste of time and anxiety, IMO.

If Faneca wanted to see what the Cardinals offered him he could have waited until the Fitzgerald situation was complete. Because like it or not AT NO TIME DID THE CARDINALS FRONT OFFICE, OR LARRY FITZGERALD AND HIS AGENT SAY THAT THE NEW DEAL WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THE ENTIRE TIME BOTH SIDES SAID THEY WILL GET A DEAL DONE TO KEEP LARRY FITZGERALD IN ARIZONA.

Sports writers, fans, bloggers, and talking heads ASSUMED that Larry would be traded, or that talks stalled, etc., etc. that assumption was turned into fact by wild imaginations IMO.

Not to say I would not have liked to have Faneca but I don't think it was in the Cards from the beginning.

 

[Duckjake]

The Pats and Colts cant run?? The Colts are a great running team and have been for the last ten years/since they became successfull. Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James Joseph Addai?? The Pats didn't run as much this year because they had a great bang-for-their-buck WR corps. That doesn't mean that they cant. They have been successfull at running when they need to. Good teams do that.

You talk about being one dimensional, but that is what we are setting ourselves up to be IMO.

cmd, the problem is what usually works in football doesn't apply to the Cardinals. In 2002 the Cards rushed for almost 400 yards more than they did last season. They averaged 4.4 ypc which would have ranked them 6th in the NFL last season. Their two back rotation produced 1,345 yards. They had 3 first round draft picks on the offensive line. And the team finished 5-11.

 

[chicards11]

cmd, the problem is what usually works in football doesn't apply to the Cardinals. In 2002 the Cards rushed for almost 400 yards more than they did last season. They averaged 4.4 ypc which would have ranked them 6th in the NFL last season. Their two back rotation produced 1,345 yards. They had 3 first round draft picks on the offensive line. And the team finished 5-11.

FACE!

 

[DoTheDew]

Take it how you want. But to lament over a guy who I don't think was going to be signed anyway is a waste of time and anxiety, IMO.

I won't be losing any sleep, but unless our OLine magically becomes really good, specifically Wells, then when those mistakes start to happen I know there will be a large crowd on here wishing we had Faneca.

 

[Duckjake]

FACE!

No.

The Cards have also had a top ranked defense holding opponents under 17 ppg and finished with a losing record. Had a year where they threw for 26 TDs and over 4000 yards and had a losing record. Had a WR with 1,598 yards receiving and a two back combo that rushed for 1,226 yards and had a losing record.

Doesn't mean anybody is right or wrong about how to win. Just that the Cards are a weird football team.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

No.

The Cards have also had a top ranked defense holding opponents under 17 ppg and finished with a losing record. Had a year where they threw for 26 TDs and over 4000 yards and had a losing record. Had a WR with 1,598 yards receiving and a two back combo that rushed for 1,226 yards and had a losing record.

Doesn't mean anybody is right or wrong about how to win. Just that the Cards are a weird football team.

Does that make us weird fans ?

 

[Duckjake]

Does that make us weird fans ?

I'm surprised you had to ask that question considering you've been to our tailgate:

+= Cardinal fans

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I won't be losing any sleep, but unless our OLine magically becomes really good, specifically Wells, then when those mistakes start to happen I know there will be a large crowd on here wishing we had Faneca.

I am with you there.

Reggie Wells at guard again? THAT will keep me up a night.

Wells is the weak point in our line and I do want him replaced. Of course Faneca would have been awesome but 50 mil is a little too much for that.

There are some guys that could still be brought into help us out. I would love to know why Naole, who got cut from the Jags, is not brought in for a look.

Or even Ruben Brown or Wayne Gandy. They are all still available.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Doesn't mean anybody is right or wrong about how to win. Just that the Cards are a weird football team.

Without a doubt!

We have seen some CRAZY things as Cardinals fans. We have seen every single way to lose a football game as fans. We have defied logic, reason, physics, and probability.

This team is not for the weak of heart.