TheCardFan
Things have changed.
I just read on JS online that when Sherman got the GM job after Wolf retired in 2001 the biggest complaint was "he's only been in the NFL for 4 years."
6 years later he's a retread?
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I just read on JS online that when Sherman got the GM job after Wolf retired in 2001 the biggest complaint was "he's only been in the NFL for 4 years."
6 years later he's a retread?
Sporting News Radio Is Reporting That Mike Sherman Is The Next Head Football Coach For Arizona..thought?
I say no thoughtSporting News Radio Is Reporting That Mike Sherman Is The Next Head Football Coach For Arizona..thought?
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It isn't on the Sporting News site. It isn't on the ESPN site. It isn't on the NFL.com site. It isn't on the Official cardinal site. And it hasn't been announced on KTAR.Sporting News Radio Is Reporting That Mike Sherman Is The Next Head Football Coach For Arizona..thought?
Will someone please hack the Cards website or something?It isn't on the Sporting News site. It isn't on the ESPN site. It isn't on the NFL.com site. It isn't on the Official cardinal site. And it hasn't been announced on KTAR.
Yet.
Regardless of the $$, all I'm saying is that Sherman will demand the most money out of the group. Given it's the Cardinals, that may be a stumbling block.
Don't forget, lobo. Fassel actually did get a playoff team to a Super Bowl. Sherman just never really beat a good playoff team, and his leadership and decisions on the field were so superior that no one here remembers any of them despite the fact that the Packers were constantly on TV during the Sherman Era.
There's tons of reasons that players don't want their coaches to leave. Denny Green got a ringing endorsement from the current roster everywhere but on the field. That's not very convincing to me.
Great coaches consistently win in the playoffs. They make it to Conference Championship games. They get first-round byes. They don't beat Steve Mariucci and hope that Hasselback throws it directly to the opposition two plays into overtime.
Sherman = Denny Green without all the ass-grabbing. It's easy to win a ton of games with a Hall of Fame QB and then fall short in the playoffs. Just ask Mike Shanahan.
2. I agree that luck happens all the time, and sometimes you make your own luck. But 2-4 in the playoffs and getting basically blown out of the building every time doesn't seem like luck to me.
1. Where did I say that the Packers players couldn't wait to see Sherman leave?
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They lost one game on a 4th and 26 call to Philly in Philly. I don't think they got blown out in that one.
One that I do recall as being a blowout was against the Rams, when Favre threw like 5 INTs. I guess you could say Sherman shouldn't have put his hall of fame QB in situations where he'd throw so many INTs but come on...
Didn't they lose to the Falcons 27-7? They ended the first half down 17-0. That was 2003. The year before, the Packers actually blew the game after surrendering a 13-6 halftime lead. Ahman Green scored 2 TDs before Shaun Alexander threw the game into overtime and Harris returned the INT from Hasselback. I guess that's the luck that Russ was talking about. In 2004, the Packers lost another playoff game at home to Denny Green's Vikings, who jumped out to a 17-0 lead in the first quarter before allowing junk TDs on the way to a 31-17 win. They buried the Lambeau Mystique after that game in a solemn ceremony outside the stadium.
So Sherman was unable to control his high-profile quarterback, or that he's only responsible for wins, and Favre is responsible for the losses? Ahman Green rushed for 158 yards in the loss to the Eagles (I think). Maybe we shouldn't credit Sherman for that, either?
I have no idea how to interpret these posts, Russ. Do you like Sherman, or find his record intriguing, or what? His record is intriguing, but from what I remember of his years with the Packers, once the game starts, he's kind of an empty sweater-and-khakis.
I'm saying you're discounting his wins because he inherited Favre and a great team. I'm saying in this day and age no team stays together for 6 years with the current coach doing nothing(Rhodes was between for one year so that team Holmgren built had to last SIX years). He clearly had something to do with those 5 great years.
the playoff losses that paint him as Schottenheimer or green weren't just being too conservative(Marty) or being Green, some of them were due to things beyond his control. nobody can reign in Favre, nobody has ever been able to do it for very long, the fewest INT's he threw in any full season was 13, topped 20 picks 5 times, he throws picks, always has. It wasn't that they weren't prepared, or that the mystique was gone, it was that their offense was built around Favre and when he turns it over in bunches, they're going to lose.
I think people are just saying oh Sherman destroyed the Pack without really checking any details. They had tons of issues beyond his control that year.
with all that they still remained a very competitive football team, they were in games with all their playmakers either injured or struggling, that implies they were pretty well coached. Teams that have talent and lose lots of close games(us this year) aren't well coached. Teams that lack talent and lose lots of close games are probably fairly well coached IMHO.
I have said all along I'd be fine with Chow, fine wtih Sherman, fine with Cameron, fine with Grimm. Not so sure about Whisenhunt and frankly I'm wavering on Grimm I'm not sure the Pittsburgh system will work with the guys we have now, I think we need a more pass oriented offense than they would likely bring?
K9, you keep ripping on Sherman.I'm with Russ and some others that think his record is pretty good and am fine if he gets hired. Who do you want and why? My first choice has been Grimm then Rivera but Sherman was right there with them.
He seems to like Cameron who would also be fine with me.
I think the situation here is simple, people that haven't been a HC before look better because they have no failures for people to point out(in the NFL). Cameron's only failure was Indiana and nobody wins there. Whisenhunt and Grimm spotless coaching records.
Chow never got a shot so he must be bad somehow.
I'm just waiting until PFT reports Cameron is hired so I can point out that Brees was a better QB this year AFTER surgery than he was under Cameron last year before surgery.