Shipp to play more Sunday

[Russ Smith]

That was my plan also in another thread. And the best quick fix without blowing up the oline IMO for next year.

RT - Marcus McNiel out of Auburn in the first round here we come. My player to pimp for this up coming draft.

He's good, I personally typically don't like OL's that tall, about the only one that comes to mind that tall that was really good is Ogden, and McNeil isn't that level of athlete, but he is awfully good.

We'll see, I think we have 3 guys who are definite keepers, I'm on the fence with Step with better talent around him he may be ok he's smart and fiery, just not athletic. I'm not a Wells fan at all. I think Ross is a better guard than tackle.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

ja ja ja ja ja.

Replace arrington with Jones and you probably took that from a post made years ago. Its based on more than 1 regular season game. Unlike you I dont bury my head in the sand during preseason with some stupid mantra like "This doesnt mean anything".

Your probably the same fool that said 3 seasons wasnt enough for McCown or Give Thomas Jones anothe rdecade to show what he's got. Why is it the cards have more moronic fans like you than the typical NFL team. (Well, minus the raiders).

How is this for some analysis....

-JJ Arrington led the nation in rushing with over 2000 yards
-JJ Arrington rushed for 2000 yeards in a PASSING offense
-JJ Arrington was good enough to hold off one of the two premier physically gifted freshman tailbacks (AP is the other) in Marshawn Lynch
-JJ Arrington posted the fastest 40 time at the combine among running backs at 4.37
-JJ Arrington is built like succesful NFL running backs such as Travis Henry and Emmit Smith
-JJ Arrington averaged over five yards a carry in a high end conference
-JJ Arrington (unlike Adrian Peterson) rushed for over 120 yards against NFL Defense USC at USC
- JJ Arrington was drafted by Denny Green, which if you are right, would make him the first bust DG has drafted in Arizona
- JJ Arrington played behind a offensive line that had a) a player who had never played in an NFL game let alone started on the road in NY b) A rookie who had his first career start c) A player new to the team and who had been injured for 90% of the preseason d) A 6th round pick e) and a dissapointing 2nd overall pick in Big*

* Oh im sure you have heard that argument before as rebuttals to your non sensical "JJ is a bust" posts but let me futher augment that argument. Backs who were hopeless busts w/ Arizona behind our ever present pourous offensive line have gone on to have a much more success with other teams who have better personnel up front. Micheal Pittman in Tampa and your bitter a$$'s favorite whipping boy Thomas Jones in Chicago. You can cite all the YPC stats you want about Jones, but he started and rushed fairly well (between 15-20 of all other starting running backs) for a team who isn't
exactly known for their offensive prowess throwing OR blocking.

-JJ Arrington was a second round pick
-JJ Arrington had to deal with one of the most underrated linebackers in the league Antonio Peirce and he was in the back field about every other play. I dont even know how you can blame JJ for not rushing better when defenders are in the backfield by the time he has handed the ball. I dont recall Shipp coming in and lighting it up either.....

Im not as ignorant as yourself so i wont say all these factors are indicators that JJ WILL BE a Pro Bowler for years to come. I list them as a reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt AFTER ONE F---ING GAME! He has looked hesitant and unable to pick up the blitz but thats like saying a pitcher just called up looked anxious and lacking control with his pitches. In other words thats expectedc of rookie backs and they shouldnt be forver cast off as rubbish if they show those tendencies. Those qualities come with experience.

To answer the rest of your "clever" post.....

My name was registered in July, and I didnt even know this message board exisisted until i moved from Phoenix. So your little plagiarism accusation doesn't really hold water. Oh i aplogize.....:

pla'gia'rism (noun) - copying what somebody else has written or taking somebody’s else’s idea and trying to pass it off as original

There that should help

You might be the biggest fool of a football fan their is. Preseason can give indications of how specific players might do that season, but very rarely do they actually play out the way things went in preseason

Denver- 4-0 in preseason, spanked by Miami

Fitz-Poor numbers in preseason, starts season off w/ 13 catches and 155 yards

J. Plummer- Looked awesome in preseason with no ints, reverted to form once the season started

Calvin Pace- 4 Sacks in Preseason, 0 sacks in game one, little pressure

Pats 0-4 in 2002 Preseason, Win Super Bowl

Cards 4-0 Preseason, go 4 -12 in regular season

Rams- Thumped Detroit in Detroit in preseason, game one lost to SF

Do i need to keep going because i can probaly cite a 1000 more.......?

Thomas Jones- I actually wa s big Pittman fan and wanted him to start at the beginning of the season and then esp. later on that year as TJ struggeled

Josh McCown- I gave McCown 4 games (imagine that...what patience i have) and then after having a ten minute discussion with him at my work and putting his play in those games under scrutiny, I ascertained McCown might be the dumbest QB in the entire NFL. The guy cant complete a full sentence let alone read a complex zone blitz.

And why are all Cardinal fans "moronic"? Well im assuming that excludes you form being a fan so why dont you go bother some other board or go back to whatever pornography site you previously spent your time at. Cards fans are "moronic" in our loyaly, blinding optimism, gluttons for punishment, and the love we have for our losing franchise. But what you state as "moronic", i see as more die hard....You are a pessimist and your analysis sucks....No one wants to hear it as I have read other posts where you have been properly lambasted....why dont you just go away already......?

 

[Shane]

How is this for some analysis....

-JJ Arrington led the nation in rushing with over 2000 yards
-JJ Arrington rushed for 2000 yeards in a PASSING offense
-JJ Arrington was good enough to hold off one of the two premier physically gifted freshman tailbacks (AP is the other) in Marshawn Lynch
-JJ Arrington posted the fastest 40 time at the combine among running backs at 4.37
-JJ Arrington is built like succesful NFL running backs such as Travis Henry and Emmit Smith
-JJ Arrington averaged over five yards a carry in a high end conference
-JJ Arrington (unlike Adrian Peterson) rushed for over 120 yards against NFL Defense USC at USC
- JJ Arrington was drafted by Denny Green, which if you are right, would make him the first bust DG has drafted in Arizona
- JJ Arrington played behind a offensive line that had a) a player who had never played in an NFL game let alone started on the road in NY b) A rookie who had his first career start c) A player new to the team and who had been injured for 90% of the preseason d) A 6th round pick e) and a dissapointing 2nd overall pick in Big*

All of those things are pretty much meaningless. You do know that right? They dont equate to a hill of beans at the NFL level. Arrington was a one year wonder in college.

 

[spanky1]

All of those things are pretty much meaningless. You do know that right? They dont equate to a hill of beans at the NFL level. Arrington was a one year wonder in college.

His path to Cal and to being a starter took most of all the three years of his eligibility before becoming a senior. Yah....he was a one year wonder to be sure but it was the only year that he was a starter. Not bad IMO.

 

[spanky1]

Maybe Brown can turn into a decent RT. He's got the size.

For what reason would we want to turn him into a RT.....for cryin out loud, he's played RG ALL his college career........and now you want to turn him into an RT?

duckfellas......please stop.

 

[CardinalLaw]

Miami couldnt run either. Then Ricky Williams shows up and all of a sudden the offensive line got it and they run for 1800+ yards??

PUH-lease.

Time to stop blaming the line for EVERYTHING. Sure they arent the best but even an average back finds a few runs every now and then. No miami RB was average for a long time. Same with the cards.

Its not as if JJ is showing flashes of great ability but its being suppressed by the line. He is showing awful ability suppressed by a bad line.

Now it is possible to fix one side and have it work (ala Williams on miami). But its alot easier to replace 1 back that can get it done with a line like this as opposed to 5 Olineman.

So are you trying to say we should trade for Williams, once his suspension is up.

As dumb as it sounds, it would get rid one of our major problems.

JJ falls down before and right at any sign of contact. That one 10 yarder he ran last week looked like it could have been too the house if he just juked one guy, or showed some speed and took the guy on an angle. Instead he just dives onto the ground and rolls into the fetal position.

 

[Russ Smith]

His path to Cal and to being a starter took most of all the three years of his eligibility before becoming a senior. Yah....he was a one year wonder to be sure but it was the only year that he was a starter. Not bad IMO.

The other thing is you have to realize that a lot of people at Cal felt Arrington should have started as a junior, Echemandu was a guy who'd been in the program for years, had one bad injury after another, and was just loved by the coaching staff. Despite all his injuries he was a big fast kid and he had 1200 yards that year including 150 against USC. But he broke his ankle in the bowl game, and he went in the 7th round. Sitting behind him wasn't a shock, Arrington was a JC transfer and he wasn't able to be there in the preseason workouts because of the way his transfer went. He went from like #5 to #2 on the depth chart as soon as he was eligible to practice and was clearly pushing to start.

He had over 600 yards rushing and led the Pac 10 in yards per carry as a junior. He had one game against UW that year where in the first half he had 10 carries for 157 yards including runs of 51 and 68 yards. He would have started if Echemandu hadn't been a senior but Tedford loved that kid and felt he owed him the PT so he'd have a chance to play in the NFL.


Lynch is on a whole other level in my mind, I think JJ is going to be a good NFL RB, but I think Lynch is going to be a top 5 NFL RB, he's only 19, 215 pounds, rated #2 RB in HS behind Peterson and living up to it so far. Lynch put on 15 pounds this offseason in the weight room and was primed to have a monster soph year before he broke the knuckle on his left pinky. Cal is holding him out this week as a precaution, probably kills any chance he had as a Heisman candidate. I have Lynch as the #3 RB in the nation behind Peterson and DeAngelo Williams. Interesting Cardinal connection Lynch's uncle is ex Card DB Lorenzo Lynch.

 

[duckfallas]

For what reason would we want to turn him into a RT.....for cryin out loud, he's played RG ALL his college career........and now you want to turn him into an RT?

duckfellas......please stop.

They turned Matt Jones into a WR, didn't they?

 

[CaptTurbo]

How is this for some analysis....

-JJ Arrington led the nation in rushing with over 2000 yards

I almost stopped right there. But went on to read your useless stats. using college stats is brilliant. Almost every damn college player averages 5 yards a carry. And 90% of them go on to great careers at turkey hill or subway as a cashier.

As another poster already said. Useless.

As far as being able to pick a handfull of players that did the opposite in the regular season as they did in the preseason. Wo brilliant :golfclap: How many perform exactly the same? Again, stupid. Waste of yoru time to even write this post for th emost part.

There were maybe one or two good points in there but its lost in all the drivel. About the only thing that came close to a logical or worthwhile thought was about McCown. Oh and I supported Pittman as well.

Your theory of Rb's moving on and having careers is laughable.

Doesnt matter when you registered you can still search and plagiaris anothers post. Brilliant assertation.

Also, I did not call cardinals fan morons. I said the few morons we have are the absolute most stupid fans in the league. You fit this bill obviously.

You are a moron because you obviously know the exact number of minutes/carries/games/breathes to give a player until you are allowed to say whether you FEEL that the player will be a bust/Pro Bowler/Great/Average.

Get it? Probably not. Not surprised.

 

[CaptTurbo]

All of those things are pretty much meaningless. You do know that right? They dont equate to a hill of beans at the NFL level. Arrington was a one year wonder in college.

Thank you Shane.

 

[CaptTurbo]

So are you trying to say we should trade for Williams, once his suspension is up.

.

Id trade JJ and a lifetime supply of weed to Miami for Williams.

 

[D-Dogg]

More posters like Arizona's Finest, PLEASE. A little logic and clear thinking goes a long way.


And those things DO add up to more than a hill of beans, Shane. They don't suggest JJ will be a superstar, but they do suggest that he's worth a real shot. And you conveniently ignored AF's paragraph right after those stats:

Im not as ignorant as yourself so i wont say all these factors are indicators that JJ WILL BE a Pro Bowler for years to come. I list them as a reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt AFTER ONE F---ING GAME! He has looked hesitant and unable to pick up the blitz but thats like saying a pitcher just called up looked anxious and lacking control with his pitches. In other words thats expectedc of rookie backs and they shouldnt be forver cast off as rubbish if they show those tendencies. Those qualities come with experience.

AF hit this one directly on the head. You've got a supremely talented rookie running back in JJ; give him a chance. Ronnie Brown didn't have a good day either, but I doubt Miami wants to trade him in for something else.

 

[CaptTurbo]

More posters like Arizona's Finest, PLEASE. A little logic and clear thinking goes a long way.


And those things DO add up to more than a hill of beans, Shane. They don't suggest JJ will be a superstar, but they do suggest that he's worth a real shot. And you conveniently ignored AF's paragraph right after those stats:



AF hit this one directly on the head. You've got a supremely talented rookie running back in JJ; give him a chance. Ronnie Brown didn't have a good day either, but I doubt Miami wants to trade him in for something else.

Hey I didnt start it. I feel anyone can say what they want about any player they want. Obviously DDOGG you too know exactly how many snaps/brathes/minutes/starts to give a player before you judge him.

I dont have all this divine knowledge that you two have so i just go by what I see, feel, think.

I wish I was as wise and knowledgable and had the foresight you guys do. I feel I saw enough of what JJ has to offer. If he turns it around then YAY!.

 

[Shane]

More posters like Arizona's Finest, PLEASE. A little logic and clear thinking goes a long way.


And those things DO add up to more than a hill of beans, Shane. They don't suggest JJ will be a superstar, but they do suggest that he's worth a real shot. And you conveniently ignored AF's paragraph right after those stats:



AF hit this one directly on the head. You've got a supremely talented rookie running back in JJ; give him a chance. Ronnie Brown didn't have a good day either, but I doubt Miami wants to trade him in for something else.

No I read his paragraph. I just dont agree. From what I have seen in 40 carries from the kid shows an extreme lack of confidence. No ability to breah a tackles and zero speed. Its not hard to pass the eyeball test.

Calling Arrington supremely talented based upon what he did in college is silly. I could list a plethura of college backs with better overall stats than arrington that have been NFL busts.

 

[Russ Smith]

I almost stopped right there. But went on to read your useless stats. using college stats is brilliant. Almost every damn college player averages 5 yards a carry. And 90% of them go on to great careers at turkey hill or subway as a cashier.

Of the top 10 rushers in the Pac 10 last year, 6 of them averaged 5 yards a carry or more, 3 of them 6 YPC or more, and one of them 7 YPC(JJ Arrington).
The year before Steven Jackson averaged 4.4 YPC in the same conference, and 5 of the top 10 rushers that year were over 5 including Arrington who was 10th, as a backup, at Cal.

For a good Pac 10 starter 5 YPC is not unusual, 7 is.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Of the top 10 rushers in the Pac 10 last year, 6 of them averaged 5 yards a carry or more, 3 of them 6 YPC or more, and one of them 7 YPC(JJ Arrington).
The year before Steven Jackson averaged 4.4 YPC in the same conference, and 5 of the top 10 rushers that year were over 5 including Arrington who was 10th, as a backup, at Cal.

For a good Pac 10 starter 5 YPC is not unusual, 7 is.

Im not a huge college fan as you know, although this year i am watching Notre Dame on saturdays. Go Irish!

But I would think there have been RB's in other conferences in years past that average 7 YPC. Are they all enshrined in the HOF? Any of them do nothing in the NFL?

 

[Shane]

Of the top 10 rushers in the Pac 10 last year, 6 of them averaged 5 yards a carry or more, 3 of them 6 YPC or more, and one of them 7 YPC(JJ Arrington).
The year before Steven Jackson averaged 4.4 YPC in the same conference, and 5 of the top 10 rushers that year were over 5 including Arrington who was 10th, as a backup, at Cal.

For a good Pac 10 starter 5 YPC is not unusual, 7 is.

It still doesnt matter in the NFL.

Russ could you look me in the eye and say that Arrington has even shown a glimmer of promise so far? Could you say he shown that trademark ability to break a frigging tackle or run by someone?

 

[CaptTurbo]

It still doesnt matter in the NFL.

Russ could you look me in the and say that Arrington has even shown a glimmer of promise so far? Could you say he shown that trademark ability to break a frigging tackle or run by someone?

Shane. Listen bud. We do not have the authority to say when a player is a bust. We have to either wait for Arizonas_Finest to speak with him to see how his demeanor/intelligence is, or allow one of the posters with a certificate in time/play qualifications of weights and measures.

We are not afforded the oppurtunity to either speak with JJ or qualify for a certificate.

Edit:
BTW Russ not directed towards you. You have your points on an opposing view. I can respect that.

 

[Shane]

Shane. Listen bud. We do not have the authority to say when a player is a bust. We have to either wait for Arizonas_Finest to speak with him to see how his demeanor/intelligence is, or allow one of the posters with a certificate in time/play qualifications of weights and measures.

We are not afforded the oppurtunity to either speak with JJ or qualify for a certificate.

:notworthy

 

[D-Dogg]

Obviously DDOGG you too know exactly how many snaps/brathes/minutes/starts to give a player before you judge him.

Nope, but I do know how many you DON'T give before judging. And that's 8.

I'm glad you aren't a talent evaluator for this team. Very glad.

 

[Pariah]

Why, so everyone on this board could bash him as the second coming of Plummer or McCown after he has a bad first start?

It amazes me the way some people on this board react to rookies--people are already trying to ditch JJ as a bust.

What does me wanting Leinhart for our QB have to do with thinking (or not thinking) Arrington is a bust?

 

[D-Dogg]

What does me wanting Leinhart for our QB have to do with thinking (or not thinking) Arrington is a bust?

Nothing, but if he doesn't perform then the mob will light their torches.

I'd love to have Leinart myself, but hopefully it's pipe. I don't want him enough to endure a season that would have us with the number one pick.

 

[Wild Card]

Darren Urban is reporting that Arrington is "ill" and that and his first game performance will probably result in more carries for Shipp this week.

Russ:

Clearly, Arrington's been spending too much time in the film room. Watching his performance from last Sunday over and over would make me sick, too.

WC

 

[Pariah]

In other words thats expectedc of rookie backs and they shouldnt be forver cast off as rubbish if they show those tendencies. Those qualities come with experience.

I think the vast majority of Arrington's critics aren't ready to "cast him off as rubbish," but rather would have him develop under Green during spot duty (3rd down back) and at practice.

Also, I'm not a mod, but if I was you would have received a number of warnings and maybe a baning for personal attacks and language. It's ugly behavior and not welcomed on the board (as far as I'm concerned). SWD and Shane simply disagree with you. Take it down a notch.

 

[Shane]

It still doesnt matter in the NFL.

Russ could you look me in the eye and say that Arrington has even shown a glimmer of promise so far? Could you say he shown that trademark ability to break a frigging tackle or run by someone?