Should the Suns trade Steve Nash after this season?

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"Babby also restated the value of Nash and Grant Hill and dismissed the idea of "blowing it up."

"We've got a lot of needs," he said. "We've got to get better defensively.
"The state of the franchise is positive but in transition."


How the hell is the state of the franchise positive? 3 players over the age of 35 and no playoffs.



Whenever Babby opens his mouth, I start losin confidence in him.

What do you expect him to say? He admits that we have a lot of needs and that we really need to improve our defense. That's about as obvious of an admission of problems you're ever likely to hear from someone in his position. BTW, not to nitpick, but I count 2 players over 35.

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What do you expect him to say? He admits that we have a lot of needs and that we really need to improve our defense. That's about as obvious of an admission of problems you're ever likely to hear from someone in his position. BTW, not to nitpick, but I count 2 players over 35.

Steve

He is probably thinking about Vince Carter who is 34. It does seem like he has been in the league forever which he has.

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Yea I could have sworn I read somwhere that VC was 35. I was surprised when I read it too cause he plays like he's 46.
 

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I don't see how including Vince Carter in ANY discussion unless it's game threads. The guy has no impact on the team after this summer. None.
 
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Bill Simmons on the State of the franchise: Suns.

Takes a pretty good jab at Vince.

Phoenix Suns
An incredible ten months that included …

A. Owner Robert Sarver pushing Steve Kerr out after Kerr miraculously got his Suns under the luxury tax AND to the cusp of the Finals.

B. Sarver replacing Kerr with agent Lon Babby, who acquired two of his clients (Hedo Turkoglu and Josh Childress) at a prohibitive cost. One never plays; the other got traded within a few months. So that's worked out great. And for the record, Sarver allowed Amare Stoudemire to leave (defensible), then spent 80 percent of what it would have kept to keep Stoudemire on Channing Frye, Childress and Hakim Warrick (indefensible).

C. The team trading Turkoglu and Jason Richardson for Marcin Gortat and Vince "Half-Man, Half-Amazingly Washed Up" Carter, which ended up being a steal (Gortat emerged as the franchise's first legitimate center since … Alvin Adams?) and a disaster (Carter single-handedly murdered their playoff hopes).

D. Nash suffering through a brutally tough season off the court. To be honest, I wasn't talking about his divorce, I was talking about the fact that every morning, he had to wake up thinking, "Oh my God, I have to play with Vince Carter."

E. You realize Grant Hill quietly just had one of the most incredible seasons in the history of the league, right? He played 135 games total from 2000 to 2006; in the past three seasons, he's played every game but three and averaged 30 minutes a night. This season, he tossed up 48-84-39 percentages for FG/FT/3FG, scored 13 a game, played the best perimeter defense of anyone other than Andre Iguodala and even wrote a takedown essay of Jalen Rose for The New York Times. He's 38 years old! This shouldn't be happening.

One other thing: If you allowed me one do-over for the 2010-11 season, mine would be Phoenix trading Hill to Boston before the deadline for Semih Erden, Avery Bradley, Von Wafer and $3 million. Hill would have gotten one more chance to play for a title. Phoenix would have finally gotten good karma for a transaction. The Celtics could have avoided the potentially disastrous Perkins trade (Hill would have given them Pierce/Allen protection); I would have avoided 2,970 texts, emails and phone calls from my father bitching about the Perkins trade; and also, we could have seen an NBA team with Shaq, KG, Pierce, Allen, Hill and Jermaine O'Neal on it. Combined income since 1992: two kajillion dollars. Too bad. But hey, at least Sarver was consistent; he's like Nic Cage, you can always count on him to do the wrong thing.
 

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B. Sarver replacing Kerr with agent Lon Babby, who acquired two of his clients (Hedo Turkoglu and Josh Childress) at a prohibitive cost. One never plays; the other got traded within a few months. So that's worked out great. And for the record, Sarver allowed Amare Stoudemire to leave (defensible), then spent 80 percent of what it would have kept to keep Stoudemire on Channing Frye, Childress and Hakim Warrick (indefensible).
He's half-right. Yes, it was a mistake using the money that didn't go to Amare on Warrick and Childress. Even though I like Childress, he had no place on this team this season. But signing Frye to a reasonable contract was a great move. Still doesn't excuse the failure to replace Amare with someone a little more able than Warrick. Better players were available, albeit more expensive.
C. The team trading Turkoglu and Jason Richardson for Marcin Gort[at and Vince "Half-Man, Half-Amazingly Washed Up" Carter, which ended up being a steal (Gortat emerged as the franchise's first legitimate center since … Alvin Adams?) and a disaster (Carter single-handedly murdered their playoff hopes).
True and true. In fact, I think if the Suns simply told Carter to stay home after the trade and played Dudley and Childress instead, they might have had a better chance to make the playoffs. I don't dislike Carter, but just because his game isn't at the level it used to be, doesn't mean he couldn't play smart and find other ways to contribute, instead of shooting us out of games on nightly basis. Of course, Gentry had the option to restrict what Carter does or to limit his minutes.
 
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"The Mavs could offer Rodrigue Beaubois (a legitimate trade chip), Caron Butler's expiring deal, DeShawn Stevenson's expiring, their 2011 No. 1 pick and $3 million for Nash, Grant Hill and Hakim Warrick (whose unseemly contract would be the Trade Tax for giving up Nash and Hill)."

Would you guys do that trade? I read it an article earlier in the year, but I switched Childress for Warrick because I like J-Chill. Dallas wouldn't mind because Warrick has the cheaper and shorter contract.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mave...best-case-trade-scenario-return-of-steve-nash

That article was posted before the deadline but I think if they choke again the playoffs, that deal could possibly be on the table.
 

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played the best perimeter defense of anyone other than Andre Iguodala

Hmmm. I was wondering if anyone else in the league notices the masterful defensive job Grant Hill has done this year. I wonder if he has a chance to make the defensive first team? That would be an amazing feat at 38.
 

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"The Mavs could offer Rodrigue Beaubois (a legitimate trade chip), Caron Butler's expiring deal, DeShawn Stevenson's expiring, their 2011 No. 1 pick and $3 million for Nash, Grant Hill and Hakim Warrick (whose unseemly contract would be the Trade Tax for giving up Nash and Hill)."

Would you guys do that trade? I read it an article earlier in the year, but I switched Childress for Warrick because I like J-Chill. Dallas wouldn't mind because Warrick has the cheaper and shorter contract.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mave...best-case-trade-scenario-return-of-steve-nash

That article was posted before the deadline but I think if they choke again the playoffs, that deal could possibly be on the table.

No. There is no point in including Grant Hill in that deal. A Dallas 1st rounder is not that attractive at this point.
 

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True and true. In fact, I think if the Suns simply told Carter to stay home after the trade and played Dudley and Childress instead, they might have had a better chance to make the playoffs. .

I thought about this. I don't think the CBA allows a team to breach a player's contract by, in effect, suspending him without cause. They could have put him on waivers, but once he cleared, I am not sure they would have been able to exercise the buyout this summer.

One thing is for sure. Vince Carter is going to have a hard time getting a job.
 

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I don't think the CBA allows a team to breach a player's contract by, in effect, suspending him without cause.

Jamaal Tinsley and Eddy Curry are two recent examples. (The players do still get paid, if that's what you meant.)
 

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Jamaal Tinsley and Eddy Curry are two recent examples. (The players do still get paid, if that's what you meant.)

I know they get paid. It just materially damages their market value, especially when coming up on free agency.
 

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Anyone know why Jamaal Tinsley is not playing in the NBA? I believe the legal matters in regard to a reported barroom fight have been resolved. The last I heard he was on the Grizzlies roster but I could not find him there. He used to be a good player years back.
 

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