Should the Suns trade Steve Nash after this season?

[Cheesebeef]

I don't see any reason that Howard would leave Orlando.

how about this? that team has no clue how to build a team around him.

I know it's easy to bring up Lebron in this conversation, but Orlando is NOT Cleveland and Dwight is NOT Lebron. I just don't see him leaving the Magic outright. They'll either retain him or they'll get some star or stars back in a sign-and-trade.

dude, people are already talking about him going to LA/NY Chap. it's a new era in the league guys... players want to win, they want to play in big markets and they want to play with their friends. Orlando is so screwed with their cap for years that it's looking impossible to see how they build a team around the big guy... much like what Cleveland did with Lebron.

i mean, it's not like LeBron's the only guy who just bolted. we saw half of the NBA's superstars switch teams within 8 months. it's gonna happen again, especially for a guy like Howard who wants to win and probably sees the writing on the wall that it's gonna be impossible to do so with the crap Orlando has surrounded himself with.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sure, but it's not a deal anyone else would do. Do you have any possibilities in mind?

the knicks ********* might do it... i wouldn't be surprised if atlanta were to do it... or the magic. all those teams are desperate.

 

[Chaplin]

the knicks ********* might do it... i wouldn't be surprised if atlanta were to do it... or the magic. all those teams are desperate.

Do the Knicks even have a pick to trade? I certainly like Fields as a young player, but I just don't know how stupid the Knicks are anymore.

What young players would the Magic or Hawks be willing to send? We certainly don't want Earl Clark back... well, unless you're slinslin, that is.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Nash to Orlando or some other contender for a 2013 first rounder is essentially giving him away for nothing. It's KT and 2 first rounders gone all over again.

the deals are nothing alike IMO. One team was a title contender who cut it's own knees off in the present and future... the other team is a late lotto bound club with no future who's trying to position themselves to rebuild.

losing nash and gaining a first rounder means you're undercutting a run for an 8 seed type team that likely misses the playoffs and gets a bad lotto pick to being a 20 win team and getting a difference maker, WHILE getting a first round pick. It's an investment in the future because there is no present. we're basically looking at a long-term addition by subtraction with this move.

the KT deal undercut a championship contender into a pretender (taking away your only low-post defender) on a championship contending team and making them a playoff pretender AND sacrificing the future.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Do the Knicks even have a pick to trade? I certainly like Fields as a young player, but I just don't know how stupid the Knicks are anymore.

What young players would the Magic or Hawks be willing to send? We certainly don't want Earl Clark back... well, unless you're slinslin, that is.

i gotta be honest, the player doesn't even really matter all that much to me. i just want a future pick and to shed a bad deal or two.

the sooner the ship sinks, the sooner we can get a new one.

 

[Cheesebeef]

my biggest fear? this team somehow wins the lotto, gets a top 3 pick and somehow mortgages the future, trading that pick for some decent band-aid that will get us at best to the 4 seed for Nash's last couple years... then we bottom out again two years from now, with really nothing to show for it.

yes, that's worse case scenario.

 

[Chaplin]

my biggest fear? this team somehow wins the lotto, gets a top 3 pick and somehow mortgages the future, trading that pick for some decent band-aid that will get us at best to the 4 seed for Nash's last couple years... then we bottom out again two years from now, with really nothing to show for it.

yes, that's worse case scenario.

Even if we had the worst record in the league and the worst players, we STILL wouldn't get the #1 pick. We're cursed when it comes to the draft, always have been, always will be. That's why it's extremely difficult to rely on any odds that we'll get a top 3 pick in any draft, regardless of our record.

 

[SirStefan32]

Well I doubt anyone is suggesting that it's JUST the pick for Nash...

That's all you're gonna get for him. I am sure that many contenders would love to have Nash... as a thbird of four option. They are not going to give up anything very valuable for him.

Let's take a look at Orlando, New York, and Atlanta and analyze each situation. (Yes, I realize NY and Atlanta are not contenders.)

Orlando
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- Howard is not going anywhere, obviously.
- We don't wanna touch Arenas or Hedo with a 10-foot pole.
- Richardson may be the only player we are really interested in. Orlando is NOT going to give up Richardson in some kind of a sign and trade for Nash because Nash would be great as their third option, but if they trade Richardson, he becomes their 2nd option, and at that point, they are really not a contender.
- I suppose Brandon Bass would be somewhat interesting, but that would leave Orlando with next to nothing in the low post (outside of Howard, of course.)

NY
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- Billups in interesting, but he is 35 years old, and I am not really sure how interested Phoenix would be in him.
- Toney Douglas, Shawne Williams, and Roger Mason are somewhat interesting, but I don't see either one of them helping us much.
- Obviously, Melo or Amare are not going anywhere.


Atlanta
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- Smith would be an interesting option, but I am still not convinced Atlanta would swap Smith for Nash. They may end up moving him to save money, but I think they could get more in return. Add Nash to their current roster, and they are an instant contender, but take Smith away, and all of the sudden, Nash is your 2nd or 3rd option. I don't believe Nash/JJ/Horford trio is much better than JJ/Horford/Smith.
- Hinrick and Williams are nice players, but not at their current salaries.



Again, many teams would love to have Nash as 3rd/4th option, but nobody is going to give away their 2nd/3rd option for a year or two rental on Nash.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Even if we had the worst record in the league and the worst players, we STILL wouldn't get the #1 pick. We're cursed when it comes to the draft, always have been, always will be. That's why it's extremely difficult to rely on any odds that we'll get a top 3 pick in any draft, regardless of our record.

yeah, can't go with the cursed thing... as much as i'm want to do. I mean, i don't actually think we'll win the lotto this year, but if we bottomed out for a couple years, getting somewhere at the top of the lotto is gonna help us a lot more than the bottom.

 

[Chaplin]

yeah, can't go with the cursed thing... as much as i'm want to do. I mean, i don't actually think we'll win the lotto this year, but if we bottomed out for a couple years, getting somewhere at the top of the lotto is gonna help us a lot more than the bottom.

Whether you or I think that's a good idea (relying on a potential top 3 lotto pick for the next few years), there's one person who won't: Robert Sarver. There is no way he will be satisfied with a bottom of the barrel team for more than a year--if that.

Right or wrong, it's up for debate, but that's the reality of the situation, don't you agree?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Even if we had the worst record in the league and the worst players, we STILL wouldn't get the #1 pick. We're cursed when it comes to the draft, always have been, always will be. That's why it's extremely difficult to rely on any odds that we'll get a top 3 pick in any draft, regardless of our record.

Sorry Chap but you are flat out wrong. I know for a FACT that we'll get lucky in this year's lottery. I'm not sure which spot but I am absolutely positive we will land in the top 3. It's our destiny.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Sorry Chap but you are flat out wrong. I know for a FACT that we'll get lucky in this year's lottery. I'm not sure which spot but I am absolutely positive we will land in the top 3. It's our destiny.

Steve

I will GLADLY eat crow if that happens!

I just think the chances of that happening are as good as the chances of the Cardinals getting Peyton Manning.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Whether you or I think that's a good idea (relying on a potential top 3 lotto pick for the next few years), there's one person who won't: Robert Sarver. There is no way he will be satisfied with a bottom of the barrel team for more than a year--if that.

Right or wrong, it's up for debate, but that's the reality of the situation, don't you agree?

yes. conversely, he IS satisfied with a bottom of the barrel playoff team.

 

[SirStefan32]

Sorry Chap but you are flat out wrong. I know for a FACT that we'll get lucky in this year's lottery. I'm not sure which spot but I am absolutely positive we will land in the top 3. It's our destiny.

Steve

From your mouth to God's ear.

 

[Chaplin]

yes. conversely, he IS satisfied with a bottom of the barrel playoff team.

The rub is that a bottom-of-the-barrel playoff team actually nets him some free money, just for getting to the playoffs. And as well all know, that's what REALLY matters to him.

 

[SirStefan32]

You know, I've jumped off of "Sarver is cheap" bandwagon.
I don't think he is cheap at all. He took a gamble on Hedo (That was a LOT of money as LB's contract was expiring), he possibly over payed for Frye and Chilli, and he signed Warrick. That is a LOT of money.
I think that he is just a poor talent evaluator. I wish Kerr was still there, but our current co-GMs have not given me a reason to think that they are poor judges of talent so far.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The rub is that a bottom-of-the-barrel playoff team actually nets him some free money, just for getting to the playoffs. And as well all know, that's what REALLY matters to him.

believe me, i know this.

 

[sunsfan88]

Let's just trade Sarver to Dallas for Cuban.

 

[elindholm]

As Gambo and Ash talked this afternoon, they said that he should fetch Billups, Fields, and a 1st rounder from NY.

That's pure fantasy, unless Isiah Thomas takes over again. No one currently running the Knicks is that stupid.

 

[devilalum]

That's pure fantasy, unless Isiah Thomas takes over again. No one currently running the Knicks is that stupid.

Any sentence that starts with Gambo and ASh is always fantasy.

 

[sunsfan88]

9 teams interested in Nash!

The Phoenix Suns front office may refer to Steve Nash as ‘the sun, the moon and the stars' of the organization but that doesn't mean a re-aligning of the heavens can't take place this offseason.

According to ESPN's Chad Ford, there are at least nine different NBA teams interested in Nash and willing to make a decent offer for him.

" Lots of teams interested," Ford told fans during a chat. "New York, Dallas, Portland, Orlando, Atlanta, Charlotte, Toronto, Houston, Utah ... there's a pretty big market for him."

Ford went on to say that the Suns can expect to get a young player and a draft pick in return from many of the teams but that not all of them have the assets to make it work.

It's not clear whether Lon Babby and the front office has any intention of actually dealing the two-time MVP but the market for him sounds significant at this point.

While Nash's performance hasn't dropped off much over the last few years, it's only logical that the day is coming soon. Babby admitted the Suns need to get ‘younger and more athletic' and the fastest way to do that is by dealing the one asset they have at their disposal.

Nash's contract is up at the end of the 2011-12 season and if the team doesn't plan on extending that deal they might as well start the rebuilding process and get something in return for him.

That is if they learned anything from the entire Amar'e Stoudemire situation.

http://arizonasports.com/category/s...e-teams-interested-in-trading-for-Steve-Nash/

 

[Mainstreet]

There is a time to let go. As much as I like Steve Nash, it would benefit both (if he still has value) to part ways. Nash needs to play for a ring or for a playoff team wherever he goes. There is no use pretending Phoenix will be contending anytime soon. Portland might be an interesting destination being so close to Vancouver.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Please. Amare + Warrick would be better than Frye + Gortat? Now THAT is absurd.

I guess with some people Frye will NEVER warrant any respect. Understandable, but sad.

Amare never played with Warrick, we're talking about starting combos that actually happened. That being said, it's absurd to think that Amare plus Marion/KT/and even Robin Lopez is an inferior option to Frye/Gortat. I like both Frye and Gortat, but neither is a major difference maker like Amare. (as the results clearly indicate)

 

[tobiazz]

That's pure fantasy, unless Isiah Thomas takes over again. No one currently running the Knicks is that stupid.

I think he has, behind the scenes. The real GM didn't want to give up so much for Carmelo and has publicly stated as much, in thinly veiled words. I don't know if that will continue into the off-season though.

 

[Evil Ash]

http://arizonasports.com/category/s...e-teams-interested-in-trading-for-Steve-Nash/

I've never questioned that teams are interested in him. Its a question of whether they will give something of value for him.

Keep in mind if we go by the current CBA, we have to take $10 million in salary back if they are over the cap (which the majority of the teams are). It maybe an issue of it being too much of a pain to trade him due to CBA limitations until a new CBA is signed