Six years, $63 million for Suggs

[Cody]

if dansby think he deserves that he is crazy.

 

[Duckjake]

You know what is really ironic? The Cardinals using the tag on Dansby in 2007 based on information that was wrong is the exact same reason imo that they passed on drafting Suggs and went with Pace and Johnson instead. Because of negative information going around about Suggs prior to the '03 draft.

The only reason that would not apply is if it turns out that if the Cards offered Dansby a market contract in '07 and KD turned it down.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The latest:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/07/15/20090715spt-cardsdansby.html

 

[lauraw]

Dansby couldn't carry Suggs' jock...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You think that Suggs would have put up the same type of numbers playing DE here as he did playing OLB in Baltimore?

No, I do agree with that.

I disagree that we would have used him in the same way that Baltimore has. We would have used him the wrong way and he would have sucked. (see Rolle at CB)

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Originally Posted by earthsci

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You think that Suggs would have put up the same type of numbers playing DE here as he did playing OLB in Baltimore?

Wanna know the irony of this statement is, one of Suggs teammates said this on his Facebook today:

SUGGS Deserves every cent he got! He's a D end more then a LB. D ends make more money thEN lbs SO its a bit tainted to call him the highest paid LB of all time."

 

[NuttinButTDs]

Wanna know the irony of this statement is, one of Suggs teammates said this on his Facebook today:

But the issue is they have designated Suggs as LB. His new contract raises the tag values for LB and not DE. Agents will say - hey look, that LB got paid x and so should we.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But the issue is they have designated Suggs as LB. His new contract raises the tag values for LB and not DE. Agents will say - hey look, that LB got paid x and so should we.

Exactly, if he was franchised with the DE tag like Peppers, then he would have received 16.7M for the tag vs the 9.7M or whatever LB's are getting.

 

[NuttinButTDs]

Exactly, if he was franchised with the DE tag like Peppers, then he would have received 16.7M for the tag vs the 9.7M or whatever LB's are getting.

and suggs will be making 33.3M in 2 years. Suggs contract made lot of LB happy.

Here is to Suggs

 

[earthsci]

We would have used him the wrong way and he would have sucked. (see Rolle at CB)

That is what I meant.

...we drafted a 3-4 OLB and made him a 4-3 DE. We would have done the same thing with Suggs.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That is what I meant.

Then I change my initial response.

 

[joeshmo]

Exactly, if he was franchised with the DE tag like Peppers, then he would have received 16.7M for the tag vs the 9.7M or whatever LB's are getting.

Just to Clarify the Franchise tag amounts are -

DE - 8,991,000
LB - 8,304,000

The only reason Peppers, Suggs, and Dansbys tenders were higher because they were franchised a 2nd time and/or followed the rule of "Franchise tag amount or 120% of previous contract which ever is higher".

 

[joeshmo]

But the issue is they have designated Suggs as LB. His new contract raises the tag values for LB and not DE. Agents will say - hey look, that LB got paid x and so should we.

Agents can say that sure, but teams will say no. Teams and agents alike all know that not all LB's get paid the same, there is a difference between 3-4 pass rushers and all other kinds of LB's. Suggs said in an interview that he and his agent succesfully made their case to the Ravens that he should get paid like a DE. Teams and agents a lite know this, but agents wills till try to play the game you are suggesting and will ultimately fail if their client isnt a 3-4 pass rusher.

 

[Redheart]

Agents can say that sure, but teams will say no. Teams and agents alike all know that not all LB's get paid the same, there is a difference between 3-4 pass rushers and all other kinds of LB's. Suggs said in an interview that he and his agent succesfully made their case to the Ravens that he should get paid like a DE. Teams and agents a lite know this, but agents wills till try to play the game you are suggesting and will ultimately fail if their client isnt a 3-4 pass rusher.

Wasn't Calvin Pace granted that same recognition; paid like a 3-4 pass rusher?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Wasn't Calvin Pace granted that same recognition; paid like a 3-4 pass rusher?

Yes.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Wanna know the irony of this statement is, one of Suggs teammates said this on his Facebook today:

What do you expect them to say? If asked, would your friends say that you aren't worth your paychecks?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

What do you expect them to say? If asked, would your friends say that you aren't worth your paychecks?

It had nothing to do with the money but that a memeber of his linebacking core considers him more of a DE...

 

[cardsfanmd]

It had nothing to do with the money but that a memeber of his linebacking core considers him more of a DE...

Not really IMO. I watch all of their games and I can assure you he is an OLB. His buddy is thinking the same way as Dansby. The more Suggs gets, the more he will get when he gets a new deal. That's how it works. Why do you think we are having issues with Q (other than Graves lying to him)? Fitz got a new deal and raised the bar on what marquee receivers are getting paid now so Q knows that his monetary value has automatically risen.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Not really IMO. I watch all of their games and I can assure you he is an OLB. His buddy is thinking the same way as Dansby. The more Suggs gets, the more he will get when he gets a new deal. .

I am not talking about the $$$$ though it is part of his Teammate's quote...

I was responding to this:

Originally Posted by earthsci

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You think that Suggs would have put up the same type of numbers playing DE here as he did playing OLB in Baltimore?

Wanna know the irony of this statement is, one of Suggs teammates said this on his Facebook today:
Quote:
SUGGS Deserves every cent he got! He's a D end more then a LB. D ends make more money thEN lbs SO its a bit tainted to call him the highest paid LB of all time."

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I understand that you watch a lot of Ravens games, but this opinoin is coming from a fellow member of his team that also plays LB, so I think that carries a little more weight.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The bottom line is OSLB'S in a 3-4 are a "premier" position and ISLB'S in a 3-4 not so much. That is where KD is mistaking his worth IMO.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I am not talking about the $$$$ though it is part of his Teammate's quote...

I was responding to this:





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I understand that you watch a lot of Ravens games, but this opinoin is coming from a fellow member of his team that also plays LB, so I think that carries a little more weight.

My bad, I should have read through the entire thread before posting. regardless though, I do watch pretty much all of Baltimore's games and he plays OLB (and better than anyone else in the league IMO).

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

My bad, I should have read through the entire thread before posting. regardless though, I do watch pretty much all of Baltimore's games and he plays OLB (and better than anyone else in the league IMO).