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2010 drafts 8th ranked rookie QB is on our bench. what are waiting for?
We need to be heard, tired of watching insane football team?
FEED THE BEAN and START THE SKELTON!
Nuff said

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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124133


Scouts.com ranking

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=10


Accuracy: Accurate enough to give his receiver a chance to make a play after the catch whether on a quick screen, out route, slant, fade or throw down the seam. Leads his man on slants and deep throws. Will aim the ball and feather it in instead of letting it loose.
Arm Strength: Throws 45-50-yard passes with little effort, but he rarely takes full advantage of his arm strength. Ball gets from hash to opposite sideline in a hurry when he steps into the throw. Good trajectory on deep passes, and the ball doesn't hang up. Inconsistent spiral, though the ball still has fair pace when it wobbles.
Setup/Release: Prototypical size and stands tall in the pocket. Waits patiently for routes to develop. Mostly in the shotgun when passing but will go under center on run plays and the occasional play-action. Release speed is not an issue whether in the pocket or on the run. Relies on his arm strength too much; will throw off back foot and into traffic. Throws from different arm angles and usually well-balanced. Could sell the ball fake more in play-action.
Reading Defenses: Knows the second and third progression, and is willing to throw underneath route if deep receiver is covered up. Will pick apart a defense if given time. Looks to the quick screen before checking out deep throw. Will not look off the safety or creeping corner consistently, resulting in interceptions. Trusts his receivers too much, throwing jump balls when unnecessary.
On the Move: Mobile for his size and able to throw accurately on the run in either direction. Squares his shoulders when throwing on the run. Will evade sacks from FCS defenders, but unclear whether he'll do so against better competition. Doesn't always get his eyes downfield when pressured in the pocket but does when outside. Mobility leads him to leave the pocket too quickly at times. Agile enough to get first downs when scrambling or running the read option, but not quick enough to run for more than a few yards and lacks elusiveness in the open field. Lowers his head for a first down if sideline isn't available and can slide if possible. Good size for the sneak. Intangibles: Two-year captain who leads his offense on and off the field. Quiet with the media but vocal on the field. Has the work ethic and intelligence to become an NFL starter.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1267818
 

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By all accounts, he's not even remotely ready. Doesn't know how to read a cover 2 defense yet :shock:
 
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I agree, but what alternative did Whiz leave us? 7 weeks in DA and Hall have had their shot and have proven themselves, well lets just say inferior NFL QB's at the lowest level.

I feel Skelton could actually get better each week instead of worse each week. could be wrong but I have him graded equal with DA with upside and much better than Max Hall. I always have but I'm just a so and so, so what do I know?





By all accounts, he's not even remotely ready. Doesn't know how to read a cover 2 defense yet :shock:
 

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Skelton still has a ways to go. Physically he has all the tools you want in a qb, but mentally it's going to take him some time to develop. Going from Fordham to the NFL is a huge leap and the defenses he'll face are more complex and faster than anything he's ever seen.
 
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all in the family, have scouting report on your granny?
I'm looking for hope not trust or faith.

Skelton and his younger brother, Stephen, a junior tight end at Fordham, played at Burges High School, where their father, John, is an assistant coach. He was a multi-sports star, excelling in football, basketball, baseball and track. The first-team All-District I Class-AAAA and All-City selection was named Offensive MVP by the El Paso Times as a senior on the gridiron.


We can look at his younger brother at TE next year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1714022

10/10/2009 - Xavier Martin ran for 125 yards and a touchdown and Stephen Skelton caught two scoring passes from his older brother for Fordham in its 35-7 win over Bryant on Saturday. The Rams (2-3) racked up 28 unanswered points in the first half, with three touchdown runs, one each by Martin, Darryl Whiting and Skelton. Skelton then hauled in his first scoring pass from John Skelton, who finished 18 of 32 with 183 yards and two TDs. The only scoring for Bryant (3-2) was on Tim Mastrino's 28-yard touchdown catch in the third quarter from Michael Croce. Croce passed for just 85 yards and one touchdown and was sacked twice. The Skeltons finished the scoring in the fourth with an 18-yard TD pass. Jerrell Smith had 86 yards rushing for Bryant. - AP Sports
That's where my grandma is graded as well.
 
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please explain why? I think Kurt would suck on this team if He came back, But Larry would catch more than He is now. I've tried to post some quality reasons to have hope in Skelton over DA and Hall.

I would like to hear some quality reasons why not to give Skelton an oppurtunity too. were at the who sucks more point in the season.
So far Hall has out sucked DA but not by much!

just seems wrong to leave skelton out of the fold, what to protect him? from what? I bet he will suck less than both! He might even not suck at all?

Whiz is simplifying the gameplan for Hall, I think John could run a simplified NFL offense. make the throws and is big enough to obsorb a few head shots too! maybe not but what have we got to lose?

I seriously do not want Skelton to start.
 

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If Hall is as bad on Sunday as he was in Seattle, I say you pull him in-game for Anderson again, but make the call Monday morning that Skelton gets the nod for the following week.
 

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It's true that Max and your grandma are both rated low on the NFL QB ratings.IMO Max is our only option this year. Skelton is not nearly ready to QB an NFL team. We know what we have in the Derek. Unlike some, I think we would have a real good team if our QB situation is not what it is. The O-line has been playing some pretty good ball. RB's when they hold on have been breaking some. Our WR's have improved now that we are near healthy.

Special teams lost the Seahawk game not the QB. Yes he added nothing to it, but fumbling 3 times inside the 20 killed us, and they scored their only TD. Max has a lot going against him especially his being thrown into the fire this past Sunday. If he can stay within the game plan we will win our next game and then who knows.

If you haven't watched dispite the rankings which include those 2 killer games our defense has really picked up the pace. DD, CC,Wilson,Rhodes and the rest our playing lights out. That's why last week wqe were right there into the 4th quarter. I still have hope at 3-3.

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please explain why? I think Kurt would suck on this team if He came back, But Larry would catch more than He is now. I've tried to post some quality reasons to have hope in Skelton over DA and Hall.

I would like to hear some quality reasons why not to give Skelton an oppurtunity too. were at the who sucks more point in the season.
So far Hall has out sucked DA but not by much!

just seems wrong to leave skelton out of the fold, what to protect him? from what? I bet he will suck less than both! He might even not suck at all?

Whiz is simplifying the gameplan for Hall, I think John could run a simplified NFL offense. make the throws and is big enough to obsorb a few head shots too! maybe not but what have we got to lose?

Ok, so you think Kurt would suck but Skelton may not? Strange....

Anyhow...reasons to not start Skelton at this point? Well lets see...

1. NFL defenses, speed, complexity > Fordham University
2. Skelton has never played in a pro style offense.
3. Max Hall is further along in the mental aspects of the game
4. Things can get worse.
5. It's been stated by numerous head coaches (sorry don't have links to their quotes atm) that putting a rookie qb under the fire too soon and putting too much pressure on them to perform early, can be a detriment to their careers.
6. We still have a shot at winning the division.
7. Finding out that all 3 of our quarterbacks suck would diminish any glimmer of hope we have for the season.

I think John Skelton will develop into a good quarterback...but he needs the time to do so. He didn't come into this league as an NFL starting caliber QB. It was known from day one that he was going to be a project.
 

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Throwing a talented yet unprepared youngster to the NFL wolves can seriously deter future growth. Let him hold the board, watch the film, and learn. Everyone seems to think he has the best chance at QBOF based on our current roster, but this is not the year to damage the hell out of him.
 

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I agree, but what alternative did Whiz leave us? 7 weeks in DA and Hall have had their shot and have proven themselves, well lets just say inferior NFL QB's at the lowest level.

I feel Skelton could actually get better each week instead of worse each week. could be wrong but I have him graded equal with DA with upside and much better than Max Hall. I always have but I'm just a so and so, so what do I know?


you also had lienart graded well.

Skelton should not see the field, I had enough of him years ago when his name was john navarre
 

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I don't get it: Leinart should have been given more of a chance after having quite a few games under his belt, and Hall gets 2?

There's no evidence to indicate Skelton is ready. I really hope he develops into something special, but I don't think starting him now is the way to do it.
 

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Throwing a talented yet unprepared youngster to the NFL wolves can seriously deter future growth. Let him hold the board, watch the film, and learn. Everyone seems to think he has the best chance at QBOF based on our current roster, but this is not the year to damage the hell out of him.

You are exactly right and that is exactly what the Cards have done with Max Hall who wasn't ready either. But for some reason no one seems to think it will seriously deter Hall's future growth. Of course at the rate he's going, 74.1 QB rating, 65.0 QB rating, 13.5 QB rating he may not have any future.

Say, maybe the Cards didn't see any future with MiniMax and decided to throw him to the wolves instead of our real QBOF, Skelator. But thinking a guy from Fordham is going to be a great NFL QB is really pushing it.
 

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I don't get it: Leinart should have been given more of a chance after having quite a few games under his belt, and Hall gets 2?

There's no evidence to indicate Skelton is ready. I really hope he develops into something special, but I don't think starting him now is the way to do it.

Leinart's first two starts as a rookie were great. Then he went downhill. Hopefully Max is the opposite. I fear Whis is incapable of helping create a great QB.
 

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You are exactly right and that is exactly what the Cards have done with Max Hall who wasn't ready either. But for some reason no one seems to think it will seriously deter Hall's future growth. Of course at the rate he's going, 74.1 QB rating, 65.0 QB rating, 13.5 QB rating he may not have any future.

Say, maybe the Cards didn't see any future with MiniMax and decided to throw him to the wolves instead of our real QBOF, Skelator. But thinking a guy from Fordham is going to be a great NFL QB is really pushing it.

Like thinking a guy from Eastern Illinois can't be a great NFL quarterback? Or a guy from Southern Mississippi? How about Alcorn State? Northern Iowa? What about a guy from Delaware? Vanderbilt?

There are a lot of reasons to believe that John Skelton isn't going to be a "great" NFL quarterback, but I'm not sure coming from Fordham is one of them. There are tons of unsuccessful QBs who come from major college programs.
 

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Throwing a talented yet unprepared youngster to the NFL wolves can seriously deter future growth. Let him hold the board, watch the film, and learn. Everyone seems to think he has the best chance at QBOF based on our current roster, but this is not the year to damage the hell out of him.

True that.
 

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Lets let Skelton have at least a year to watch and learn, play in more pre season games, and we will go from there
 
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As a team we have no time for John to set a year?


I still have Matty graded well He out performed all NFL QB's, you know right before we cut him this preseason. 110+ QB rating on a team where no current QB can break what 65?

moot point. I have DA graded 70 with no upside

Skelton graded 70 with upside as evidenced by the sports science evaluation, scout.com evaluation and CBS sports draft evaluation.

We traded up to get him and we are heading into week 8 not starting the season with rookie Skelton, His dad was a coach.

the opposite of what Whiz thinks is the right QB for the team seems good enough to me. what does Mike Miller say? Russ Grimm?

I've been a fan for alot of years and what I have seen from Skelton at Cards camp and preseason is better than what I've seen from DA or Hall.

I think being cool under pressure is a sin in Cards camp. you must be frantic and mouthy to play for whiz?

Josh, Culpepper may be better alternatives since Q flew to the Ravens!


you also had lienart graded well.

Skelton should not see the field, I had enough of him years ago when his name was john navarre
 

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SMEL, you've got to share your "grading" process if you're going to keep talking about it. JMHO
 
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I read the CBS in depth draft evaluation criteria at each position, from the link at the start of this thread. grade current NFL players

I check scout.coms draftee or FA rankings to get a feel where a player fits in the NFL scheme of things.

Espn's draft scale 1-100 - I apply this scale to current veteran players because I have not found anything better, I'm open if you know something better?

look at the left hand side with elite being 90+
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft


Some say Madden does 1-100 too but i never used that.

Please ignore Matty in this stat sheet, it will shoot vile poison out your ears if you mix actual depth and weight into Whiz's frothy emotional decision. but Skelton did as well as the next, if not better. 5-6 in his first game?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/stats/ARI/arizona-cardinals/2010/pre
Passing StatsPlayerAttCompYdsComp %Yds/AttTDTD %INTINT %LongSack/LostRating
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Derek Anderson563333458.96.023.623.6371/473.1Max Hall271628559.310.613.713.7341/092.4
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Matt Leinart282217578.66.213.600.0185/37104.6John Skelton15812253.38.116.716.7362/1374.9Cardinals1267991662.77.354.043.2379/5484.6Opponent1418897962.46.932.132.1449/4281.



SMEL, you've got to share your "grading" process if you're going to keep talking about it. JMHO
 
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