Skelton, what to do?

[Sandan]

Skelton does have the tools and he could turn out to be good. The odds are against a 5th round pick ever being an elite QB. The big question is how he will progress. We are talking about a guy who has played only two games. You do not make QBOTF decisions based on that amount of playing time. Obviously a lot teams did not see a lot in him based on his college experience. Let us see how he progresses next year and how he does in camp when he (hopefully) competes against a competent NFL QB. We just do not know enough about Skelton at this time. He could be the QBOTF or the QB from hell?

I think the odds are against a pick in any round being an elite QB

 

[Cardiac]

I think the odds are against a pick in any round being an elite QB

Or RB or DE or CB or....just because there are only so many elite players that enter the NFL each year. What we do know is that the odds are better for most it not all positions in rd1. We do know that finding an elite QB in rd1 is easier then all other rds combined.

 

[crisper57]

I am 99% certain this is how the QB situation will play out for the Cards:

1. Target Luck. We won't get him. Use our picks to fill holes on D.

2. Go out and get a veteran FA who has had more than one year of moderate success (unlike DA) I suspect Kyle Orton will be on the market and if so, he will be the guy we pursue.

3. Let the veteran (Orton/McNabb/Bulger?) compete with Skelton

4. The veteran FA beats out Skelton for 1-2 years

5. Continue to develop Skelton so that he can take over the reigns by 2012-2013.

 

[Stout]

I am 99% certain this is how the QB situation will play out for the Cards:

1. Target Luck. We won't get him. Use our picks to fill holes on D.

2. Go out and get a veteran FA who has had more than one year of moderate success (unlike DA) I suspect Kyle Orton will be on the market and if so, he will be the guy we pursue.

3. Let the veteran (Orton/McNabb/Bulger?) compete with Skelton

4. The veteran FA beats out Skelton for 1-2 years

5. Continue to develop Skelton so that he can take over the reigns by 2012-2013.

I could live with that.

 

[Bobcat]

You never pass on a top QB. But of course we will all be fooled into believing that Skelton is the answer and we will suck again.

Ok! Then why did Whiz pass on Matt...???

 

[LarryStalling]

The Cards have had some good quarterbacks over the years. Not elite but good qbs. When was the last good Cardinal qb taken in the first round. Our record of first round qb picks is pretty dismal.

 

[Evil Ash]

I am 99% certain this is how the QB situation will play out for the Cards:

1. Target Luck. We won't get him. Use our picks to fill holes on D.

2. Go out and get a veteran FA who has had more than one year of moderate success (unlike DA) I suspect Kyle Orton will be on the market and if so, he will be the guy we pursue.

3. Let the veteran (Orton/McNabb/Bulger?) compete with Skelton

4. The veteran FA beats out Skelton for 1-2 years

5. Continue to develop Skelton so that he can take over the reigns by 2012-2013.

You do know that FA happens before the draft, right? Kinda messes with your order there

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think the average person who bought a stolen laptop they didn't know was stolen wouldn't panic and try to throw it out a window to avoid getting caught. I also think the average person who bought a laptop wouldn't paint it black and then put their name on it in big white block letters. I think most would assume it was painted over to hide the drawing the original owner said he painted on it so if it was ever stolen, it'd be easy to identify. I don't know if Cam painted it or the person he bought it from did but from the descriptions it was VERY obvious it'd been painted which I think would make most of us suspicious?

Here's a Florida paper story right after it happened, I have a VERY hard time believing he didn't know something was up. FYI Newton claims he bought the laptop for $120 after a
guy who sells stuff out of the back of his car asked Newton if he needed anything and he said I need a laptop.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20081121/NEWS/811210286

Computer is on his desk, asks police for time to meet with his lawyer in private, when police return, computer is not on his desk and is later found in a dumpster?

Doesn't make him the worst person ever but there is a pattern with the kid, academic fraud allegations, laptop, the money stuff.

Also the NCAA has already ruled the dad asked for money so they obviously had some information that said he did, not just someone claiming to represent him.

Young kids make mistakes but when you're picking really high in the draft you have to really focus on every detail.

Thank you, I was about to post something similar. Also, if people don't think Newton knewhis Dad took any money then that is a new level of naivety. Why did Newton supposedly tell Miss St. the money was too good at Auburn?
Also, I hate the " they're young and kids make mistakes" free pass given to everybody. They're trying to use this excuse for the OSU clowns too. They're young but they know what's right and what's wrong. Why else did Newton try to throw the laptop away? These guys know what's going on and just decide they don't have to play by the rules. How come this is rarely happens to the 5th year senior, late round prospect? The guys that are there for the same reason, to hopefully make it to the NFL, and play by the rules.

 

[cardpa]

at the point we lost luck i think we stick with skelton and bring in the best veteran we can find, beef up the D and fire butch davis

 

[cgolden]

First and foremost, if Luck is avaliable then you take him, but I'm assuming he's long gone by the time we're on the clock. In that case I say take BPA and I hope that's either a pass rusher or a OT, but I think it'll be one of the top CB's (which is fine too).

That probably leaves immediate QB help left to signing a veteran or the pipe dream of trading for Kolb. I'd prefer the pipe but I'd also be ok iwth signing a vet like Palmer, Bulger or McNabb (preferably in that order).

The vet and Skelton compete in training camp and of course Whiz picks the vet.

 

[cardpa]

The cardinals must, must find a Left OT, Brown is horrible and will get our QB hurt. Makes no difference if its in the Draft or in Free Agency.

I still think Levi can become a reliable LT. As I re-watched the game I noticed on one play he engages Ware on a pass play and then immediately disengages and then gets beat. He never even came close to riding Ware pass the QB.

Now this can be only one of two things, wither Levi is a complete idiot who will never get it or his coach (Grimm) is teaching him nothing. I believe it is the later. This Oline needs a real Oline coach. Just because Grimm was a pro bowl player doesn't mean he can coach a lick.

 

[crisper57]

You do know that FA happens before the draft, right? Kinda messes with your order there

I didn't really put it in chronological order, just as they came to me.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Thank you, I was about to post something similar. Also, if people don't think Newton knewhis Dad took any money then that is a new level of naivety. Why did Newton supposedly tell Miss St. the money was too good at Auburn?
Also, I hate the " they're young and kids make mistakes" free pass given to everybody. They're trying to use this excuse for the OSU clowns too. They're young but they know what's right and what's wrong. Why else did Newton try to throw the laptop away? These guys know what's going on and just decide they don't have to play by the rules. How come this is rarely happens to the 5th year senior, late round prospect? The guys that are there for the same reason, to hopefully make it to the NFL, and play by the rules.

Some questions then:

Why is he playing and not suspended?
Why is Auburn not on probation?
Does any of this stuff, which is still small stuff (no violent activity etc), have any bearing on his ability to perform or succeed on the nfl level?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Some questions then:

Why is he playing and not suspended?
Why is Auburn not on probation?
Does any of this stuff, which is still small stuff (no violent activity etc), have any bearing on his ability to perform or succeed on the nfl level?

You have to ask the NCAA on that one.
They will be, it's only a matter of time.
Yes, it does have a bearing because it shows a lack of character. Newton sounds to me alot like Vince Young. He's fine and dandy when everything is going his way but when things don't, well, look at where Vince is now and how he responded when things have gotten a little rough.

 

[Duckjake]

Or RB or DE or CB or....just because there are only so many elite players that enter the NFL each year. What we do know is that the odds are better for most it not all positions in rd1. We do know that finding an elite QB in rd1 is easier then all other rds combined.

I don't see how anybody can argue about the first round QB. Unless you are going to let New England tell you who to draft in the late rounds. And have them develop them for you.

Of the 8 teams currently leading their division in the NFL, 6 have QBs taken in the first round, Vick,Cutler,Flacco,Manning,Bradford and Ryan.

The other two are Brady and Cassel taken by the Patriots in Round 6 and Round 7 respectively. Amazing stat isn't it?

The other exception is the Cardinals who haven't had a first round QB be successful for them in 50 years. They are better off with guys who were UDFA's like Jim Hart and Kurt Warner

 

[earthsci]

I don't see how anybody can argue about the first round QB. Unless you are going to let New England tell you who to draft in the late rounds. And have them develop them for you.

Of the 8 teams currently leading their division in the NFL, 6 have QBs taken in the first round, Vick,Cutler,Flacco,Manning,Bradford and Ryan.

To add a little more strength to your argument - Pittsburgh and their first round QB is currently tied with Baltimore.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't see how anybody can argue about the first round QB. Unless you are going to let New England tell you who to draft in the late rounds. And have them develop them for you.

Of the 8 teams currently leading their division in the NFL, 6 have QBs taken in the first round, Vick,Cutler,Flacco,Manning,Bradford and Ryan.

The other two are Brady and Cassel taken by the Patriots in Round 6 and Round 7 respectively. Amazing stat isn't it?

The other exception is the Cardinals who haven't had a first round QB be successful for them in 50 years. They are better off with guys who were UDFA's like Jim Hart and Kurt Warner

Agreed, I was arguing with Kerouac about this a few weeks ago, the first round is the round in the modern NFL to get a QB.

But it still has a high bust rate, and it isn't wise to just select ANY QB.

The position with the lowest bust rate in the top ten? LT. I saw a stat a few years back that 60% of LTs selected in the top ten become top players. Unfortunately I don't think there is a top LT in this draft worthy of our selection.

 

[Duckjake]

To add a little more strength to your argument - Pittsburgh and their first round QB is currently tied with Baltimore.

Correct. I just used the teams listed at the top of the standings.

But that New England stat is just unbelievable. Not just one starting QB taken in the dregs of the draft with his team in first place but TWO!

 

[Buckybird]

The position with the lowest bust rate in the top ten? LT. I saw a stat a few years back that 60% of LTs selected in the top ten become top players. .

And yet, the Cards have dropped the ball on 2 of the them

 

[Cardiac]

I don't see how anybody can argue about the first round QB. Unless you are going to let New England tell you who to draft in the late rounds. And have them develop them for you.

Up until about 3 weeks ago I would have been one of the ignorant but hopefully the facts will edumicate all of us.

Of the 8 teams currently leading their division in the NFL, 6 have QBs taken in the first round, Vick,Cutler,Flacco,Manning,Bradford and Ryan.

For fun let's add to this the teams that are in as wild cards. Sanchez and the Jets. Saints/Brees (33rd pick in the draft) are also in the tourny. Fighting it out for final spots are Colts/Manning, Steelers/Rothlisberger, Giants/Manning, Packers/Rodgers, Bucs/Freeman(IIRC) Rams/Bradford who are all 1st Rd picks. Jaguars/Garrard (4th rd pick) is the last team with a chance.

The other two are Brady and Cassel taken by the Patriots in Round 6 and Round 7 respectively. Amazing stat isn't it?

As always you find fun and amazing stats/facts.

The other exception is the Cardinals who haven't had a first round QB be successful for them in 50 years. They are better off with guys who were UDFA's like Jim Hart and Kurt Warner

All this tells me is it is time to draft a QB in rd1

 

[Mulli]

I don't see how anybody can argue about the first round QB. Unless you are going to let New England tell you who to draft in the late rounds. And have them develop them for you.

Of the 8 teams currently leading their division in the NFL, 6 have QBs taken in the first round, Vick,Cutler,Flacco,Manning,Bradford and Ryan.

The other two are Brady and Cassel taken by the Patriots in Round 6 and Round 7 respectively. Amazing stat isn't it?

The other exception is the Cardinals who haven't had a first round QB be successful for them in 50 years. They are better off with guys who were UDFA's like Jim Hart and Kurt Warner

Brees was a free agent signing.

 

[desertdawg]

All this tells me is it is time to draft a QB in rd1

Yamon. (unless Luck and Newton are gone)

 

[Cardiac]

Yamon. (unless Luck and Newton are gone)

Mayhaps. If the Cards believe that Gabbert (sp?) or Mallet or.... worthy then do it.

I wonder if the Panthers could be tempted to trade down since they did draft Clausen last year. Their ownership is known to be frugal and they could rationalize that with Clausen they don't need to go QB at the number 1 pick, you know like many Cards fans are ready to hitch their ride to Skelton after 3 games of not stinking. Before anyone besides DCR gets riled up I have posted that I like a LOT of what Skelton has done so far.