Smeltdown: Leinart cut by Texans

[RugbyMuffin]

Seattle's desperate at quarterback I wonder if they give him a shot now? I'm about to lose all credibility but since I haven't built any I guess it doesn't matter. Matt Leinart is a better quarterback than anyone we currently have on our team and should have been given more than 27 pass attempts in four preseason games before he was shown the door. He had to check the ball down he didn't have time to throw it. If Whisenhunt wanted him to go deep he needed what every quarterback needs in that situation which is a running game and a good offensive line to have the time to do so.

Double Deuce has something to say about those claims above.

If Leinart is so good, why can't he seem to find his way on the field in the QB desparate NFL ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have to see him fail on the field

Wow.

You'll be waiting a long time. The field seems to be the last place you can find Matt Leinart.

Doesn't seem to know how to work his way onto it.

 

[jmt]

Yup this confirms it. You are either on dope or insane. Really no other explanation. LMAO

This!

 

[BigRedRage]

better than manning? no wonder I have you on block.

I am still laughing at Smeltdown

 

[Duckjake]

JAB-----I don't know where you have been hiding, but your assessment of this situation of our QB situation is smack-on. Please continue to voice your opinions more often, as this board could use more actual informative analysis just as our QB's could use more actual performance based evaluation than they have gotten from the Whiz. It is certainly welcome, at least to me, to see that someone is actually developing an opinion based on genuine observation as opposed to merely choosing a side and vocalizing from that standpoint regardless of actual occurrances. Your thoughts on this matter are like a breath of fresh air for those of us who have been suffering from the foul stench that frequently crosses this board.

Foul stench? Frequently? What in the world are you talking about? ASFN is the best sports internet message board around. Period. Go read some others and you'll see what I mean.

There is more informed analysis here about the Cardinals than on the National shows!

But it's like everything else, out of 100 posters 2 will meltdown and suddenly its "the entire board has gotten so bad I don't want to come here anymore". Or "I'm leaving for a week because I don't want to see the entire board meltdown when X happens."

 

[Buckybird]

I think He is better than Peyton Manning with a bad throwing arm

Not to be picking on you, but you should be instituitionalized for those comments

 

[THESMEL]

popeye the sailor man toot, Toot

I ams what I ams and that is alls thats I ams, I'm Popeye the Sailor FAN!
No Dope just Spinich!

Ken Whisenhunt has not got along with many players, much less QB's. Stars and 2nd tier players run like hell from him as evidenced by over 5 years before AW ans DD were the first drafted Cardinals that resigned long term deals with Whiz as coach.

As far as kissing frogs in FA's and the draft, Whiz is a serial frog kisser. I have yet to see a Prince, Maybe Kurt - but Denny was the evaluator, negotiator and developer. Matty was developing well with Denny, I have yet to see anyone develope under whisenhunt.

Edge, matt, Deuce, and many more careers were destroyed under whisenhunt, Levi? DRC? BEANIE? PP has Horton and hope, but these blue chip players HOF Russ Grimm as a HC -are covered in Whisemhunt Warts.

I do like Reggie Walker and Jeremy Bridges, But come on Man Matt Leinart was throwing to UFA's Komar, Swill, Andre Roberts where are those "gems" now. Whisenhunt is full of poop, and I aint eating it. I want him to do well, but I think a Parcells or Marty Schottenheimer would have us humming on all cylinders through our window of oppurtunity. Whis has gotten the worse out his players,

Matty was not the problem with Arizona Cardinals, as evidenced by our collapse after he was cut. yea he was hurt first game out for the Texans, but He went 9-10 and looked bettter than anything we have seen since Matts play in preseason.

Double Deuce has something to say about those claims above.

If Leinart is so good, why can't he seem to find his way on the field in the QB desparate NFL ?

 

[CtCardinals78]

I ams what I ams and that is alls thats I ams, I'm Popeye the Sailor FAN!
No Dope just Spinich!

Ken Whisenhunt has not got along with many players, much less QB's. Stars and 2nd tier players run like hell from him as evidenced by over 5 years before AW ans DD were the first drafted Cardinals that resigned long term deals with Whiz as coach.

As far as kissing frogs in FA's and the draft, Whiz is a serial frog kisser. I have yet to see a Prince, Maybe Kurt - but Denny was the evaluator, negotiator and developer. Matty was developing well with Denny, I have yet to see anyone develope under whisenhunt.

Edge, matt, Deuce, and many more careers were destroyed under whisenhunt, Levi? DRC? BEANIE? PP has Horton and hope, but these blue chip players HOF Russ Grimm as a HC -are covered in Whisemhunt Warts.

I do like Reggie Walker and Jeremy Bridges, But come on Man Matt Leinart was throwing to UFA's Komar, Swill, Andre Roberts where are those "gems" now. Whisenhunt is full of poop, and I aint eating it. I want him to do well, but I think a Parcells or Marty Schottenheimer would have us humming on all cylinders through our window of oppurtunity. Whis has gotten the worse out his players,

Matty was not the problem with Arizona Cardinals, as evidenced by our collapse after he was cut. yea he was hurt first game out for the Texans, but He went 9-10 and looked bettter than anything we have seen since Matts play in preseason.

I find it funny that your basis for Leinart being "elite" is that he went 9-10 in the preseason. With the exception of his rookie year Leinart is awful. He had every opportunity to succeed with two teams and failed, twice. He's the biggest bust this side of Ryan Leaf.

 

[Duckjake]

I find it funny that your basis for Leinart being "elite" is that he went 9-10 in the preseason. With the exception of his rookie year Leinart is awful. He had every opportunity to succeed with two teams and failed, twice. He's the biggest bust this side of Ryan Leaf.

I wish you guys would quit typing that. Being reminded that our one shot in the last 20 years at a big time first round QB blew up in our faces drives me crazy. Well I'm already crazy so never mind.

Double Duece could dig us out of the hole that failed draft pick put us in. If John succeeds it would be a great story. 5th round pick from Fordham makes good in the NFL. Manning would not only dig us out he'd build a mountain on top of it.

 

[oaken1]

The entire statement is ridiculous..The Bolded is the most important part thats why I highlighted it. I didn't omit the other part FYI. He saying that if Leinart didn't have injury problems he would be better than Manning. Leinart when healthy and at his best was never in the same league as manning at any point in his career. You backing him up makes me think you take the same drugs he does

one of us has reading comprehension issues.... from what I read....Smelly said leinart is better than an injured Manning

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Edge, matt, Deuce, and many more careers were destroyed under whisenhunt, Levi? DRC? BEANIE? PP has Horton and hope, but these blue chip players HOF Russ Grimm as a HC -are covered in Whisemhunt Warts.

How dare Whizenhunt make players accountable for their own actions. HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!

Edge wasn't old, and past his prime, his deteriorated speed and quickness was taken from him by Whizenhunt. I heard he use to take a bat to Edge's knees repeatedly. I mean Edge was an absolute work-a-holic, he was at the Cardinals facility working out all the time in the offseason.

Matt Leinart ? I tell you, I heard Whiz used to lock the doors to the training facility, and film room to purposely keep Leinart from improving. Not to mention that Leinart was trying to sneak into the training room to improve his strength and durability, yet Whiz caught him, and banned him for life from the weight room. Then if it could not have been worse, Whiz out right refused to hand the job over to Leinart. I mean, USC QB over here, big time winning college, he doesn't have to PROVE anything right ? Just hand the job over and "ride or die" with the guy.

Then there is Deuce Lutui. I mean Whiz should go to jail for this one. He sat there shoving doughnuts, and cheese steaks down Lutui's throat. Not only that, when Duece became a free agency, Whiz flew up to Cincy and told lies about Lutui and his weight causing the Bengals to not sign Lutui, and thus the rest of the league believed the same lie, and leaving Lutui to be FORCED by Whiz to come back to AZ and sit on the bench. I mean how is that even legal for an evil person like Whiz to be able to destroy a player like that.

Whiz taught Levi Brown how to whiff on blocks and fined Brown if our QB didn't get rocked at least once or twice a game.

The whole show of Whiz fighting for, and having to be talked into trading DRC was a complete lie, and PR move. Plus Whiz was the one who threatened DRC that if he continued to tackle players, he would be cut right ?

I tell you. All this talk about Whiz being a players coach is crazy. He hates his players, and wants to make them look stupid and incompetent. Just think of it. Edgerrin James, Matt Leinart, Duece Lutui, Levi Brown, DRC, and Beanie Wells ? All 100% sure fire Hall of Famers until Whiz destroyed them all.

And Whiz won't be happy till he burns this whole organization to the ground. That bastard !!!

We should start a fund to help those poor, poor atheletes that got picked on, and brutalized by big bad Ken Whizenhunt, and his ego of death and destruction.


On a serious note, personally I think if an athelete is not getting what he wants, he should work for it, and look in the mirror to solve the problems of wealth, playing time, and respect. Like A-Dub does. If these assumptions were actual reality, I would help the Cardinals usher these players out the door, because who wants whining babies, that have no accountability, put in marginal effort, and complains that if anything goes wrong is someone else's fault.

A guy like Matt Leinart has been in the league for a long time. He has had ample opportunity to improve himself, and make his own destiny. He has failed to do so, and if Matt can't figure it out, he should look in the mirror.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Whis has gotten the worse out his players,

Matty was not the problem with Arizona Cardinals, as evidenced by our collapse after he was cut. yea he was hurt first game out for the Texans, but He went 9-10 and looked bettter than anything we have seen since Matts play in preseason.

Matty was cut because he was soft, wasn't liked in the locker room and didn't learn the playbook.

If Peyton signs he's going to tell the world one of the reasons is Whiz. Better get used to it.

I don't know where you get the whole "players don't like Whiz" thing because all I hear is them praising him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

How dare Whizenhunt make players accountable for their own actions. HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!

Edge wasn't old, and past his prime, his deteriorated speed and quickness was taken from him by Whizenhunt. I heard he use to take a bat to Edge's knees repeatedly. I mean Edge was an absolute work-a-holic, he was at the Cardinals facility working out all the time in the offseason.

Matt Leinart ? I tell you, I heard Whiz used to lock the doors to the training facility, and film room to purposely keep Leinart from improving. Not to mention that Leinart was trying to sneak into the training room to improve his strength and durability, yet Whiz caught him, and banned him for life from the weight room. Then if it could not have been worse, Whiz out right refused to hand the job over to Leinart. I mean, USC QB over here, big time winning college, he doesn't have to PROVE anything right ? Just hand the job over and "ride or die" with the guy.

Then there is Deuce Lutui. I mean Whiz should go to jail for this one. He sat there shoving doughnuts, and cheese steaks down Lutui's throat. Not only that, when Duece became a free agency, Whiz flew up to Cincy and told lies about Lutui and his weight causing the Bengals to not sign Lutui, and thus the rest of the league believed the same lie, and leaving Lutui to be FORCED by Whiz to come back to AZ and sit on the bench. I mean how is that even legal for an evil person like Whiz to be able to destroy a player like that.

Whiz taught Levi Brown how to whiff on blocks and fined Brown if our QB didn't get rocked at least once or twice a game.

The whole show of Whiz fighting for, and having to be talked into trading DRC was a complete lie, and PR move. Plus Whiz was the one who threatened DRC that if he continued to tackle players, he would be cut right ?

I tell you. All this talk about Whiz being a players coach is crazy. He hates his players, and wants to make them look stupid and incompetent. Just think of it. Edgerrin James, Matt Leinart, Duece Lutui, Levi Brown, DRC, and Beanie Wells ? All 100% sure fire Hall of Famers until Whiz destroyed them all.

And Whiz won't be happy till he burns this whole organization to the ground. That bastard !!!

We should start a fund to help those poor, poor atheletes that got picked on, and brutalized by big bad Ken Whizenhunt, and his ego of death and destruction.


On a serious note, personally I think if an athelete is not getting what he wants, he should work for it, and look in the mirror to solve the problems of wealth, playing time, and respect. Like A-Dub does. If these assumptions were actual reality, I would help the Cardinals usher these players out the door, because who wants whining babies, that have no accountability, put in marginal effort, and complains that if anything goes wrong is someone else's fault.

A guy like Matt Leinart has been in the league for a long time. He has had ample opportunity to improve himself, and make his own destiny. He has failed to do so, and if Matt can't figure it out, he should look in the mirror.

Nice post. You left out that Whiz took away one of Matt's touchdowns and the kid was never the same after that.

Steve

 

[JAB]

Double Deuce has something to say about those claims above.

If Leinart is so good, why can't he seem to find his way on the field in the QB desparate NFL ?

First of all, I'm not saying he's a great quarterback I'm simply making the stance the situation was not handled properly here and I believe that it had more to do with personal issues than playing performance. To answer your question directly he sat behind Kurt Warner and then was released at the end of preseason and had to sit behin Matt Schaub. I think the kid has had bad luck and his confidence destroyed. I don't think we will ever know if the potential was ever there. He's a free agent now but unfortunately he's been injured again so I don't see a lot of interest this season as well. Nevertheless I'm not going to call him a bust based upon his play. He will go under the category of the unknown for me and that's just my opinion.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

How dare Whizenhunt make players accountable for their own actions. HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!

Edge wasn't old, and past his prime, his deteriorated speed and quickness was taken from him by Whizenhunt. I heard he use to take a bat to Edge's knees repeatedly. I mean Edge was an absolute work-a-holic, he was at the Cardinals facility working out all the time in the offseason.

Matt Leinart ? I tell you, I heard Whiz used to lock the doors to the training facility, and film room to purposely keep Leinart from improving. Not to mention that Leinart was trying to sneak into the training room to improve his strength and durability, yet Whiz caught him, and banned him for life from the weight room. Then if it could not have been worse, Whiz out right refused to hand the job over to Leinart. I mean, USC QB over here, big time winning college, he doesn't have to PROVE anything right ? Just hand the job over and "ride or die" with the guy.

Then there is Deuce Lutui. I mean Whiz should go to jail for this one. He sat there shoving doughnuts, and cheese steaks down Lutui's throat. Not only that, when Duece became a free agency, Whiz flew up to Cincy and told lies about Lutui and his weight causing the Bengals to not sign Lutui, and thus the rest of the league believed the same lie, and leaving Lutui to be FORCED by Whiz to come back to AZ and sit on the bench. I mean how is that even legal for an evil person like Whiz to be able to destroy a player like that.

Whiz taught Levi Brown how to whiff on blocks and fined Brown if our QB didn't get rocked at least once or twice a game.

The whole show of Whiz fighting for, and having to be talked into trading DRC was a complete lie, and PR move. Plus Whiz was the one who threatened DRC that if he continued to tackle players, he would be cut right ?

I tell you. All this talk about Whiz being a players coach is crazy. He hates his players, and wants to make them look stupid and incompetent. Just think of it. Edgerrin James, Matt Leinart, Duece Lutui, Levi Brown, DRC, and Beanie Wells ? All 100% sure fire Hall of Famers until Whiz destroyed them all.

And Whiz won't be happy till he burns this whole organization to the ground. That bastard !!!

We should start a fund to help those poor, poor atheletes that got picked on, and brutalized by big bad Ken Whizenhunt, and his ego of death and destruction.


On a serious note, personally I think if an athelete is not getting what he wants, he should work for it, and look in the mirror to solve the problems of wealth, playing time, and respect. Like A-Dub does. If these assumptions were actual reality, I would help the Cardinals usher these players out the door, because who wants whining babies, that have no accountability, put in marginal effort, and complains that if anything goes wrong is someone else's fault.

A guy like Matt Leinart has been in the league for a long time. He has had ample opportunity to improve himself, and make his own destiny. He has failed to do so, and if Matt can't figure it out, he should look in the mirror.

Good stuff... and

BIM: athlete (It's how you spell it and pronounce the word...

 

[JAB]

Great capture of the meaningless 7 in a 47-7 loss.

I don't believe he was the quarterback on the field when the game got out of control. It's simply a reminder that the man was capable of doing what people claim he had no potential to do.

 

[Linderbee]

Matty was cut because he was soft, wasn't liked in the locker room and didn't learn the playbook.

If Peyton signs he's going to tell the world one of the reasons is Whiz. Better get used to it.

I don't know where you get the whole "players don't like Whiz" thing because all I hear is them praising him.

Bull. If you're saying injury-prone, fine, but he didn't run around like a chicken with his head cut off like Kolb did, and there is no evidence of him not knowing the playbook. ALL reports were that he spent his entire recovery from his collarbone injury studying, studying, studying.

And to Kolb's defense, with our O-Line, I don't really blame him.

 

[MadCardDisease]

How dare Whizenhunt make players accountable for their own actions. HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!

Edge wasn't old, and past his prime, his deteriorated speed and quickness was taken from him by Whizenhunt. I heard he use to take a bat to Edge's knees repeatedly. I mean Edge was an absolute work-a-holic, he was at the Cardinals facility working out all the time in the offseason.

Matt Leinart ? I tell you, I heard Whiz used to lock the doors to the training facility, and film room to purposely keep Leinart from improving. Not to mention that Leinart was trying to sneak into the training room to improve his strength and durability, yet Whiz caught him, and banned him for life from the weight room. Then if it could not have been worse, Whiz out right refused to hand the job over to Leinart. I mean, USC QB over here, big time winning college, he doesn't have to PROVE anything right ? Just hand the job over and "ride or die" with the guy.

Then there is Deuce Lutui. I mean Whiz should go to jail for this one. He sat there shoving doughnuts, and cheese steaks down Lutui's throat. Not only that, when Duece became a free agency, Whiz flew up to Cincy and told lies about Lutui and his weight causing the Bengals to not sign Lutui, and thus the rest of the league believed the same lie, and leaving Lutui to be FORCED by Whiz to come back to AZ and sit on the bench. I mean how is that even legal for an evil person like Whiz to be able to destroy a player like that.

Whiz taught Levi Brown how to whiff on blocks and fined Brown if our QB didn't get rocked at least once or twice a game.

The whole show of Whiz fighting for, and having to be talked into trading DRC was a complete lie, and PR move. Plus Whiz was the one who threatened DRC that if he continued to tackle players, he would be cut right ?

I tell you. All this talk about Whiz being a players coach is crazy. He hates his players, and wants to make them look stupid and incompetent. Just think of it. Edgerrin James, Matt Leinart, Duece Lutui, Levi Brown, DRC, and Beanie Wells ? All 100% sure fire Hall of Famers until Whiz destroyed them all.

And Whiz won't be happy till he burns this whole organization to the ground. That bastard !!!

We should start a fund to help those poor, poor atheletes that got picked on, and brutalized by big bad Ken Whizenhunt, and his ego of death and destruction.


On a serious note, personally I think if an athelete is not getting what he wants, he should work for it, and look in the mirror to solve the problems of wealth, playing time, and respect. Like A-Dub does. If these assumptions were actual reality, I would help the Cardinals usher these players out the door, because who wants whining babies, that have no accountability, put in marginal effort, and complains that if anything goes wrong is someone else's fault.

A guy like Matt Leinart has been in the league for a long time. He has had ample opportunity to improve himself, and make his own destiny. He has failed to do so, and if Matt can't figure it out, he should look in the mirror.

 

[JAB]

The entire statement is ridiculous..The Bolded is the most important part thats why I highlighted it. I didn't omit the other part FYI. He saying that if Leinart didn't have injury problems he would be better than Manning. Leinart when healthy and at his best was never in the same league as manning at any point in his career. You backing him up makes me think you take the same drugs he does

First of all I was referring to the one particular post and in that post you only omitted the part where he said "IF" he had an injured arm. You highlighted every word in that post but the qualifying statement. If he has a history of making a claim that Matt Leinart has shown to be a better quarterback than Peyton Manning no one is going to agree to that. If you two have a running history of going at it I don't want to be in the middle of it. I just found it strange you highlighted almost the entire statement, but the qualifying part.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Bull. If you're saying injury-prone, fine, but he didn't run around like a chicken with his head cut off like Kolb did, and there is no evidence of him not knowing the playbook. ALL reports were that he spent his entire recovery from his collarbone injury studying, studying, studying.

And to Kolb's defense, with our O-Line, I don't really blame him.

Undrafted Rookie FA Max Hall came in and had a better understanding of the playbook after only a few months on the team. I think that says a lot.

Also Leinart was pretty much the first starting QB in history to be used in a rotation because he had no understanding of how to run the hurry up offense. Do you not remember how embarassing it was to watch Warner come off the bench to run the 2 minute drill for him?

 

[Shane]

Bull. If you're saying injury-prone, fine, but he didn't run around like a chicken with his head cut off like Kolb did, and there is no evidence of him not knowing the playbook. ALL reports were that he spent his entire recovery from his collarbone injury studying, studying, studying.

And to Kolb's defense, with our O-Line, I don't really blame him.

There absolutely is evidence he didn't know the play book. Whiz outright stated that he was upset that he was running plays with WRs in the wrong position. A QB that lets your WRs line up wrong and then runs the play clearly doesn't know the play like he should. He is the field general and needs to where everyone needs to be. Yet Derek Anderson comes in and you see him immediately fixing where WRs were lining up and putting them in position when they lined up wrong. Granted the WRs need to take some responsibility. But in the end it's the QB that needs to recognize it on the field.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Bull. If you're saying injury-prone, fine, but he didn't run around like a chicken with his head cut off like Kolb did,

And to Kolb's defense, with our O-Line, I don't really blame him.

When I say soft I mean "not a killer attitude". Sorry, that's probably DemsSpeak.

And I'm saying he didn't learn the playbook based on multiple reports I heard after he was cut. The word was he didn't put the work in and wasn't watching film.

 

[Duckjake]

Undrafted Rookie FA Max Hall came in and had a better understanding of the playbook after only a few months on the team. I think that says a lot.

Also Leinart was pretty much the first starting QB in history to be used in a rotation because he had no understanding of how to run the hurry up offense. Do you not remember how embarassing it was to watch Warner come off the bench to run the 2 minute drill for him?

I don't remember ever being embarrassed by that. It worked and that was all that mattered to me.

Don't really care what Leinart could or couldn't do or why he was released or whose fault it was. What I do care about is that Leinart's failure to be the quality replacement for Warner that you would expect from the 10th pick in the draft for whatever reason cost us dearly and we may not be through paying for it yet.

 

[JAB]

There absolutely is evidence he didn't know the play book. Whiz outright stated that he was upset that he was running plays with WRs in the wrong position. A QB that lets your WRs line up wrong and then runs the play clearly doesn't know the play like he should. He is the field general and needs to where everyone needs to be. Yet Derek Anderson comes in and you see him immediately fixing where WRs were lining up and putting them in position when they lined up wrong. Granted the WRs need to take some responsibility. But in the end it's the QB that needs to recognize it on the field.

This statement is based off the preseason when Derek Anderson was on the team? Matt Leinart had 27 passes attempts in four games when was he given the opportunity to show anything but killing DOA in the stat department? That's around seven attempts a game. And if Matt Leinart didn't know the playbook why on earth didn't the coaching staff know that ahead of time? I'm assuming they went over the playbook with him at some point during the time he was on the team. When does the coaching staff take as much of the responsibility for the failure of Matt Leinart as he does? They said he was ready, they didn't get a replacement and was committed to him. It was an epic failure all the way around. To just hate on Matt IMO is unreasonable. If you go out into the warehouse and it's a complete mess the first person you talk to is the foreman not the guy stacking the boxes.

 

[BigRedRage]

Really? people are still not over Lienart? Do we not understand he is made of glass?