Smeltdown: Leinart cut by Texans

[JAB]

one of us has reading comprehension issues.... from what I read....Smelly said leinart is better than an injured Manning

That makes two of us.

 

[BigRedRage]

so your argument for lienart is that he is better than peyton manning last year when he didnt play? a 50% manning is better than Lienart so I dont get your analogy.

Lienart is ALWAYS HURT

 

[JAB]

so your argument for lienart is that he is better than peyton manning last year when he didnt play? a 50% manning is better than Lienart so I dont get your analogy.

Lienart is ALWAYS HURT

I'm assuming your talking to me and no I didn't make that claim. I made a statement that highlighting a claim that says Matt Leinart is better than Peyton Manning and ignoring the qualifying part of him not being able to throw again was odd and out of context. Who would you have stated last year? Yes dumb but IMO so was undercutting the claim.

 

[BigRedRage]

I'm assuming your talking to me and no I didn't make that claim. I made a statement that highlighting a claim that says Matt Leinart is better than Peyton Manning and ignoring the qualifying part of him possibly not being able to throw again was odd and out of context.

Lienart healthy is a myth.

- Just commenting either way I could care less Lienart is old news and a total bust

 

[TJ]

Sucks for him, but Leinart is yesterdays news (unless you're SMEL, in which case the #7 shrine still exists in his kitchen).

In all seriousness, I'm wondering if this is the end of the road for him. I do see a team bringing him in as the #3 option or at least a tryout in preseason, but he may want to start looking into a real estate license soon.

 

[crisper57]

Sucks for him, but Leinart is yesterdays news (unless you're SMEL, in which case the #7 shrine still exists in his kitchen).

In all seriousness, I'm wondering if this is the end of the road for him. I do see a team bringing him in as the #3 option or at least a tryout in preseason, but he may want to start looking into a real estate license soon.

Seattle might give him a shot for a minimum contract. I can't see anyone else wanting anything to do with him.

 

[JAB]

Lienart healthy is a myth.

- Just commenting either way I could care less Lienart is old news and a total bust

That's fine I don't have a problem with your opinion. I just don't sit in the camp that just blames Matt Leinart for the whole situation and would think people that have your opinion would hold more than just Matt accountable. Someone mentioned my cross has been exposed and it isn't to defend Matt Leinart. If I have cross it's the whole situation was a gigantic failure by the entire organization that by their own words didn't see what was obvious to most people like yourself are claiming. In my personal opinion as yours to him being a bust may not have been true if the situation was handled properly. I will stand by my statement we will never know do to the way it was handled.

 

[TJ]

Seattle might give him a shot for a minimum contract. I can't see anyone else wanting anything to do with him.

Pete Carrol had two chances to bring Matty into the fold and never did so. I don't think Seattle would be an option.

Typically for QBs like Leinart at this point in their careers, one team will take a low risk flyer right before TC to see if he is worth anything. Whether or not he sticks is a different story entirely, which is why I asserted that he should look at a career beyond football.

 

[BigRedRage]

That's fine I don't have a problem with your opinion. I just don't sit in the camp that just blames Matt Leinart for the whole situation and would think people that have your opinion would hold more than just Matt accountable. Someone mentioned my cross has been exposed and it isn't to defend Matt Leinart. If I have cross it's the whole situation was a gigantic failure by the entire organization that by their own words didn't see what was obvious to most people like yourself are claiming. In my personal opinion as yours to him being a bust may not have been true if the situation was handled properly. I will stand by my statement we will never know do to the way it was handled.

Every time he hits the field he gets injured.

Bust.

 

[JAB]

Pete Carrol had two chances to bring Matty into the fold and never did so. I don't think Seattle would be an option.

Typically for QBs like Leinart at this point in their careers, one team will take a low risk flyer right before TC to see if he is worth anything. Whether or not he sticks is a different story entirely, which is why I asserted that he should look at a career beyond football.

Pete Carroll is also now in a completely different situation. Peyton Manning won't even visit Seattle and there isn't a lot of options out there for him. I don't think at this time and at the price he would have to pay the fan base or their media or the organization would take a hit for him rolling the dice on a quarterback he had success with in college. I think it is now a no lose situation and they just might give it a shot.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i can't believe people are still talking about this.

 

[JAB]

Every time he hits the field he gets injured.

Bust.

Well I guess if were making blanket statements you must feel the same way about Kolb. I don't find that reasonable but he's been given an opportunity to start two seasons and has only played a total of 14 games. I still say the situation with Matt may have changed if he was handled properly in Arizona. Every little thing changes a person's destiny who's to say he wouldn't have made a long run without injury. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[crisper57]

Pete Carroll is also now in a completely different situation. Peyton Manning won't even visit Seattle and there isn't a lot of options out there for him. I don't think at this time and at the price he would have to pay the fan base or their media or the organization would take a hit for him rolling the dice on a quarterback he had success with in college. I think it is now a no lose situation and they just might give it a shot.

That's what I was thinking.

 

[BigRedRage]

Well I guess if were making blanket statements you must feel the same way about Kolb. I don't find that reasonable but he's been given an opportunity to start two seasons and has only played a total of 14 games. I still say the situation with Matt may have changed if he was handled properly in Arizona. Every little thing changes a person's destiny who's to say he wouldn't have made a long run without injury. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I want kolb gone with or without manning. he plays scared and gets injured too often. Skelton is better and mans up in the pocket rather than scrambling backward 15 yards and fumbling.

 

[BigRedRage]

Well I guess if were making blanket statements you must feel the same way about Kolb. I don't find that reasonable but he's been given an opportunity to start two seasons and has only played a total of 14 games. I still say the situation with Matt may have changed if he was handled properly in Arizona. Every little thing changes a person's destiny who's to say he wouldn't have made a long run without injury. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

so he has played less than a full season and had two season ending injuries.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I find it funny that your basis for Leinart being "elite" is that he went 9-10 in the preseason. With the exception of his rookie year Leinart is awful. He had every opportunity to succeed with two teams and failed, twice. He's the biggest bust this side of Ryan Leaf.

This comment is almost as silly as thesmels. Biggest bust? Get real.

Have you already forgot about JaMarcus Russell?

 

[D-Dogg]

Matty was cut because he was soft, wasn't liked in the locker room and didn't learn the playbook.

If Peyton signs he's going to tell the world one of the reasons is Whiz. Better get used to it.

I don't know where you get the whole "players don't like Whiz" thing because all I hear is them praising him.

The players obviously love Whis. You don't go from 1-6 to 8-8 if you don't like your head coach.

 

[john h]

He has fallen alot from being at USC.

I and most of our fans thought we had made a real steal when we signed Heisman winner Matt Leinart as our QB a few years ago. How could we all be so wrong. I suspect that because he was surrounded by all that talent his failings were covered up. Reggie Bush, White at RB and a great OL made Matt appear to be a real talent. Having good players around you makes you look good but also cover up your weakness. Matt was a playboy but did have the size, arm, and credentials. There were, I think, 13 teams that passed on him and I wondered how could that be? Generally speaking teams will take a possible great QB rather than a need. Clearly some of these teams that passed on Leinart saw him for what he turned out to be. Matt just did not have the heart to be a successful NFL QB. Did we not pass on Big Ben one year? You win some and you lose some but with our team you lose some and you lose some again. If you throw out Warner how long have we been looking for a good QB. I guess that would be since Neil Lomax went down. They year we drafted Lomax as I recall was one of our best draft years ever. Sporting News gave us an A+. I doubt Rod Graves was our GM.

On the board NFL Rumors there was an article about where Manning would go. At one place the article read "The Broncos have Tebow and the Cards have Skelton". I found that interesting way to put it. It did not say the Cards have Kolb? Was that a deliberate way to put it or just a slip? To me Skelton looks the better of the two. Of course that could change in camp (If we do not get Manning). It is sort of D-Day for us to pay Kolb the big bucks or let him go. I think it would be hard to trade Kolb without paying much of his salary. Tebow is a trade able product. Who would you rather have if you had a choice? Tebow or Kolb? If we by accident get Manning we will cut Kolb as we apparently do not have enough money to pay Manning. If I were the owner I would cut Kolb anyway and get some experienced QB in FA to backup Skelton or be the starter. If a good QB fell to us in the draft I would take him. There is one good one that will likely be there at #13 and he is Ryan Tannehill. We need linemen but QB's win titles and at the moment we do not have one. Tannehill is not getting a lot of hype because of the two big guys in front of him but at least two teams have an eye on him hoping he will fall to them.

 

[john h]

He has fallen alot from being at USC.

We had a few guys on this board that were in love with Leinart even after we let him go. They are going to be in total shock I fear. You got to learn to let go guys. Just like with wives they sometimes just do not work out. The ones we lose that bother me are the ones who turned out to be winners and we just could not see it. I liked Leinart when we got him and thought we had a winner. I had no problem turning on him when he turned into a dud and was happy to see him leave. I will not cry for him as he has already earned more money than I have earned in a long life time. He can still make it modeling underwear although Tebow is the new good looking stud in town for that job. Tebow got more press last year than any QB in the NFL. Everyone says he cannot throw the ball and will never be an NFL QB. Then he takes the Broncos to the playoffs and wins one game. He is an enigma if there ever was one. I think Denver should keep him even if they do sign Manning but according to all the news that will never happen. The Green Bay backup QB seems to be the hot prospect for other teams after his big showing last year. He is a FA. There is also a lot of talk about whether Gabbert is going to make it or not and whether his team is looking to trade him.

 

[TJ]

Pete Carroll is also now in a completely different situation. Peyton Manning won't even visit Seattle and there isn't a lot of options out there for him. I don't think at this time and at the price he would have to pay the fan base or their media or the organization would take a hit for him rolling the dice on a quarterback he had success with in college. I think it is now a no lose situation and they just might give it a shot.

Seattle, according to reports, is going to go after Matt Flynn hard. And they still have Tavaris under contract (for whatever reason).

Again, Carrol had two opportunities to sign Leinart (with big question marks at QB) and the first time was for the veteran minimum and still didn't do it. He could have had him cheap last season and still didn't do it. Which leads me to believe Seattle is not a potential landing spot despite the fact that Matty's college coach is there. Their interest in him was lukewarm at best.

My gut says some random team not named the Cardinals, Texans, or Seahawks brings him in to try out for a roster spot toward the beginning of TCs but he doesnt stick for health and performance reasons.

 

[crisper57]

Seattle, according to reports, is going to go after Matt Flynn hard. And they still have Tavaris under contract (for whatever reason).

Again, Carrol had two opportunities to sign Leinart and the first time was for the veteran minimum and still didn't do it. He could have had him cheap last season and still didn't do it. Which leads me to believe Seattle is not a potential landing spot despite the fact that Matty's college coach is there. Their interest in him was lukewarm at best.

My gut says some random team not named the Cardinals, Texans, or Seahawks brings him in to try out for a roster spot toward the beginning of TCs but he doesnt stick for health and performance reasons.

I agree, but I think the other 31 teams' interest is ice cold.

 

[JAB]

I want kolb gone with or without manning. he plays scared and gets injured too often. Skelton is better and mans up in the pocket rather than scrambling backward 15 yards and fumbling.

Well, this is something we can agree on. It's unfortunate I see potential in Kolb but taking into consideration his injuries that concern me are concussions and he is completely restless in the pocket one might even say scared I hope they just admit they made a mistake and move on now instead of waiting several years hurting us more in the long run.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Seattle absolutely, positively will not sign Leinart

They did talk with him last year, but Matt didn't have enough confidence to come in and compete with Tavaris Jackson - so he decided to hang on in Houston where he could be a guaranteed backup

Just a loser mentality

There was never any strong interest from seattle - they were willing to give him a shot though, at a low contract, low number of years .... come in, compete and if it works out you will be rewarded - if not then we'll find someone else

At this point they have Jackson who is the caretaker of the position and in the last year of his deal - definitely not the long term solution ..... they have a project in Portis at the #3 QB position that the coaches love

That leaves 1 QB spot open ..... they are going to make a play for Flynn and if they miss they'll grab someone in the draft

Unless something crazy happens and Jackson looks remotely competant out there, then Seattle will be grabbing a QB this offseason and then next year as well to either replace Jackson, Portis or both

Leinart offers no upside or no advantage in this scenario ....... at best he's jackson for this team and he's already shown he's not willing to compete

 

[JAB]

Seattle, according to reports, is going to go after Matt Flynn hard. And they still have Tavaris under contract (for whatever reason).

Again, Carrol had two opportunities to sign Leinart (with big question marks at QB) and the first time was for the veteran minimum and still didn't do it. He could have had him cheap last season and still didn't do it. Which leads me to believe Seattle is not a potential landing spot despite the fact that Matty's college coach is there. Their interest in him was lukewarm at best.

My gut says some random team not named the Cardinals, Texans, or Seahawks brings him in to try out for a roster spot toward the beginning of TCs but he doesnt stick for health and performance reasons.

The mistake we make as posters is we assume too much. Who's to say Matt Leinart didn't to stay in Houston knowing Matt Schwab has a history of injuries himself and thought it was best to take a chance to get an opportunity to start for a team that had a lot of talent around him. Obviously he got the opportunity unfortunately for him he got injured again. If he was able to start and lead that team into the playoffs and win a game or two he might be a highly coveted free agent looking at big money this year instead of nothing after getting beat up in Seattle. We simply don't know. The total storyline could have been different. Everyone would be second-guessing, Whisenhunt for going after Anderson and releasing Matt and the whole situation would be different. I also believe Pete Carroll isn't in the same situation he was in when he had his chance in the past. It Peyton Manning won't even interview for you who's to say Matt Flynn is going to have interest? We don't even know what the options are out there for him. We don't know a lot of things and go off assumptions. It's my personal opinion this is his safest and no risk opportunity to give him a shot even if he's just claims he's bringing him in just for a look during camp. Who knows maybe Pete Carroll's college atmosphere is just what Matt needs. I don't know I simply see it as a possibility and I could really care less if it happens or not. I don't have a fight in Matt Leinart's future I'm simply giving my opinion on "My" reality of what I thought happened. And like I said, we don't know the whole story and were all just making assumptions, including obviously myself.

 

[crisper57]

Think of that draft today. It was not a good one for many teams in the Top 10.

Mario Williams was good, but may be leaving Houston soon.

Reggie Bush, Cutler, Vince Young, and Leinart are all gone from the teams that drafted them. Ugh. That draft was touted as talent-heavy at the top and look how that turned out.