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1. Good for Jason Licht. His hiring with apparent control over personnel and the draft is another very strong indication of how highly the Cardinals' personnel people are viewed around the league these days. Man, that happened fast, didn't it? What did it take? One year?

2. Good for the Cardinals and P Dave Zastudil. Not only is an auspicious sign that the Cardinals are already making some progress with their own free agents, the genuine excitement Zastudil expressed about the Cardinals as a team and an organization sets an exemplary tone for what is going to be a fascinating and potentially dynamic off-season.

3. Keim's three year plan. He's been referring to this plan and how it relates to the building of the team and getting the salary cap to work to the Cardinals' advantage---but---one gets the sense that particularly in light of the fact that the Super Bowl next year is in Arizona---that steps will be taken to try to give the Cardinals an optimal chance to compete for the trophy. I think there are going to be two or three very surprising moves made this off-season in an attempt to go all the way this year.

4. Mock draft mockery. Mock drafts this time of year are pretty much a waste of time because of what is going to transpire in free agency. So many of these early mocks have the Cardinals taking an OT at #20...but, if the Cardinals sign a FA LT, as expected, the odds of them drafting a tackle at #20 and slim to none and slim just was seen driving toward the Mexican border with the ghost of Walter White riding shotgun.

5. Not settling for mediocrity. When BA was lamenting after the season about teams in the NFL never being the same from one year to the next, his lament was more from the standpoint of having to let guys he likes as men go. Case in point: K Jay Feely. BA let it be known that "I love Jay to death"...but followed that up with the caveat the he wished Feely would have managed to kick the kickoff down the middle. The surprises I alluded to in point 3 are in reference to addition/subtractions that could well be made at RB, LT, RG, RT, TE, WR, DE/DT, OLB, SS, CB and K where a strong case for upgrades can be made. What BA&SK have going for them in this regard is a growing perception around the league that Arizona is a great place to be and that their cap guru Mike Disner can pull all the necessary strings to accommodate the coaches' wishes.

At RB---there's thought that Rashard Mendenhall will be re-signed. But, as much as BA loves Mendy, the man, it would be surprising if BA loves Mendy over some other intriguing options. Let me give you three RBs to keep an eye on: Maurice Jones-Drew, Ben Tate and Donald Brown. Wild card: LeGarrette Blount.

At LT---the three there are Brandon Albert, Jared Veldheer and Eugene Monroe. Wild card: Anthony Collins.

At RG---Travelle Wharton, Geoff Schwartz, Chad Rhinehart. Wild card: Richie Incognito.

At RT---Michael Oher, Charles Brown, Zach Strief. Wild card: Rodger Saffold.

At. TE---Jermichael Finley, Dennis Pitta, Brandon Myers. Wild card: Dustin Keller.

At WR---Jeremy Maclin, Golden Tate, Emmanuel Sanders. Wild card: Dexter McCluster.

At DE/DT---Randy Starks, Jason Hatcher, Lamarr Houston. Wild card: Ziggy Hood.

At OLB---Brian Orakpo, Robert Ayers, Anthony Spencer. Wild card: Jason Worilds.

At SS---T.J. Ward, Antoine Bethea, Chris Clemons. Wild card: Stevie Brown.

At CB---Charles Tillman, Vontae Davis, Sam Shields. Wild card: Chris Cook.

At K--- Seven Hauschka, Nick Folk, Graham Gano. Wild card: Adam Vinatieri.

Obviously, many of these UFAs are long shots---but, like I said, there may be a couple of surprises here.

6. Not so fast, MJ. MJ was saying yesterday that he found Richard Sherman's post-game rant very entertaining and could find nothing wrong with it. Part of MJ's argument was that the NFL is for entertainment and no one should hold a moral compass to the NFL. However, the issues that I see, especially as one who works every day with today's youth, are manifold. One, football is a kid's game played by grown men on a national stage---and in today's society it is a terrible message for kids who follow the NFL to see a player have the moment be all about HIM and not his team, and to publicly use that forum to trash another player. These are major steps backward for those who try very diligently with today's kids to steer them away from the prevailing narcissism and classless, malevolent treatment of others. Even Sherman, to his credit, has expressed regret for his self-aggrandizing rant. I hope the notions of sportsmanship and teamwork are not lost on members of the media as they apparently were on MJ. Now I normally value MJ's opinions and I think he can be very insightful (which is why i tune in to his show), but this time I really wonder if he had thought through the major issue before he reacted the way he did. What I would ask him is---would he want his own son to behave like that?

7. Throwing to big targets. The more I think about Carson Palmer and the way he throws the ball (high release point), the more I wonder whether the Cardinals should keep looking to add big targets at the WR and TE positions. Rumor has it that the Cardinals are intrigued with TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins (6-6, 267, Washington)...and with good reason. ASJ not only has the length but he has the athletic ability to go with it. The question is---would the Cardinals have interest in either or both of the monster WRs in this draft: Mike Evans (6-5, 225, Texas A&M) and Kelvin Benjamin (6-4, 232, Florida St.)? It may be a moot point as both could be taken before #20...but it would be interesting to know. A couple of bigs whom the Cardinals could have interest in outside of the top 100 are TE C.J. Fiedorowicz (6-7, 265, Iowa) and WR Brandon Coleman (6-5, 220, Rutgers). I've seen both of these players and was impressed. CJF had a huge game versus Michigan his junior year and I remember thinking then that he would be a TE to keep an eye on---and Brandon Coleman had a big day versus Notre Dame at Yankee Stadium this past bowl season.

8. A big CB in this upcoming draft that could be just what the Cardinals need is Stanley Jean-Baptiste (6-3, 220, Nebraska)---carries his length well, plays with quick feet, good closing speed and very good ball skills. He looks like he could be a real multi-purpose asset in coverage, particularly in using his size, speed and anticipation to cover TEs. The S I really like is Deone Bucannon (6-1, 192, Washington), who has the similar cover abilities and is a big hitter.

9. The way the draft is already shaping up---it looks like at #20 there will be some fantastic defensive linemen on the board. This may give the Cardinals all the more incentive to get their main needs addressed in FA, because in terms of value there are going to be 3-4 outstanding defensive linemen who go in the 20s. Nix, Truitt, Jernigan, Hageman, Donald, etc.

10. Snow Day Mock:

UFA Signings---Arizona:

LT---Brandon Albert
RT---Eric Winston
TE---Dennis Pitta
WR---Emmanuel Sanders
RB---Donald Brown
DE---Matt Shaughnessy
LB---Karlos Dansby
CB---Chris Cook
PK---Nick Folk

Draft:

1. Ra'Shede Hageman, DE/DT, Minnesota
2. Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.
3. Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
4. C.J. Feidorowicz, TE, Iowa
5. Jalen Saunders, WR, Oklahoma
6. Ross Cockrell, CB, Duke
 

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6. Not so fast, MJ. MJ was saying yesterday that he found Richard Sherman's post-game rant very entertaining and could find nothing wrong with it. Part of MJ's argument was that the NFL is for entertainment and no one should hold a moral compass to the NFL. However, the issues that I see, especially as one who works every day with today's youth, are manifold. One, football is a kid's game played by grown men on a national stage---and in today's society it is a terrible message for kids who follow the NFL to see a player have the moment be all about HIM and not his team, and to publicly use that forum to trash another player. These are major steps backward for those who try very diligently with today's kids to steer them away from the prevailing narcissism and classless, malevolent treatment of others. Even Sherman, to his credit, has expressed regret for his self-aggrandizing rant. I hope the notions of sportsmanship and teamwork are not lost on members of the media as they apparently were on MJ. Now I normally value MJ's opinions and I think he can be very insightful (which is why i tune in to his show), but this time I really wonder if he had thought through the major issue before he reacted the way he did. What I would ask him is---would he want his own son to behave like that?


I thought Jody was the one saying that.

I do agree though. There are plenty prime examples out there and plenty of bad examples. If sherman had a few minutes before a microphone was in his face he may not have reacted that way but to get an interview in the heat of the moment after making the biggest play of your career? things like that can happen.
 

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I want to know where we are getting a lll that money under the salary cap? Otherwise nice read Mitch.
 

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6. Not so fast, MJ. MJ was saying yesterday that he found Richard Sherman's post-game rant very entertaining and could find nothing wrong with it. Part of MJ's argument was that the NFL is for entertainment and no one should hold a moral compass to the NFL. However, the issues that I see, especially as one who works every day with today's youth, are manifold. One, football is a kid's game played by grown men on a national stage---and in today's society it is a terrible message for kids who follow the NFL to see a player have the moment be all about HIM and not his team, and to publicly use that forum to trash another player. These are major steps backward for those who try very diligently with today's kids to steer them away from the prevailing narcissism and classless, malevolent treatment of others. Even Sherman, to his credit, has expressed regret for his self-aggrandizing rant. I hope the notions of sportsmanship and teamwork are not lost on members of the media as they apparently were on MJ. Now I normally value MJ's opinions and I think he can be very insightful (which is why i tune in to his show), but this time I really wonder if he had thought through the major issue before he reacted the way he did. What I would ask him is---would he want his own son to behave like that?

Couldn't agree more. It was such a WWE move. I immediately thought of Fitz and how he is the anti-Sherman. Sherman is a great player and I enjoy watching him play but he is way too me-centered. He really highjacked that win from the Seahawks. MJ is a single guy with no kids so I understand why he wouldn't have the perspective to think what kind of message his rant sends.
 

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I agree the where are we getting all that money is a legit question but it can be answered in a multitude of ways.

A) The Cards brass is openly leaking Brandon Albert. Dude is going to cost some money. I agree with Mitch there will be 1-2 WOW moves this offseason.

B) Fitz,Colledge,and Dockett are all candidates to get restructured. I think all 3 will but well see.


C) The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. Cutting or trading Larry Fitzgerald. Well see how this offseason develops but that is on the table to be sure.

Point is I doubt they would be talking Albert if they didnt have the resources to make it happen. Time will tell. Also if you would have said Winston, Abraham, Dansby, etc before the offseason last year you would have said the same "where is this money coming from?"....well FA is a different game nowadays. Well see how it plays out but I dont think resigning Winston and Dansby and signing Albert, Pitta (injury discount or make good 1 year), and Emmanuel Sanders is that crazy with the above factors in play.

On to Richard Sherman. Media and Social Media is just so damn predictable. People freak out about Sherman. The media who dont have a rooting interest chastize fans and others for being moralists and that its okay to do what he did.

How about this? Its okay for richard Sherman to yell and be crazy and boorish. Hes not breaking any laws and his team so its okay for him to talk.Conversely its okay for me to think he is an ass for it. And I do.

I think the Seahawks are becoming one of the most hated teams for all their trash talk and hubris and I am looking forward to someone doign what WE did and punching them in the Gat Damn mouth and force feeding Skittles down their throat. And im a fan and yes i HATE watching/hearing/seeing Richard Sherman and his histrionics and will openly cheer when he is finally humbled.

Question is will it be Peyton and the Broncos or is it going to be when we see those punks again next year???
 

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8. A big CB in this upcoming draft that could be just what the Cardinals need is Stanley Jean-Baptiste (6-3, 220, Nebraska)---carries his length well, plays with quick feet, good closing speed and very good ball skills. He looks like he could be a real multi-purpose asset in coverage, particularly in using his size, speed and anticipation to cover TEs. The S I really like is Deone Bucannon (6-1, 192, Washington), who has the similar cover abilities and is a big hitter.

I do not like Jean-Baptiste at all. From what I've seen of him, he is not a very good cornerback. Hope the Cardinals avoid him at all costs. There are a lot of solid cornerbacks in this draft, IMO Jean-Baptiste is not one of them.
 

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Couldn't agree more. It was such a WWE move. I immediately thought of Fitz and how he is the anti-Sherman. Sherman is a great player and I enjoy watching him play but he is way too me-centered. He really highjacked that win from the Seahawks. MJ is a single guy with no kids so I understand why he wouldn't have the perspective to think what kind of message his rant sends.

While it was not right what he did, I think his Team mates understand what makes him tick a lot more than the average fan. I believe they're fine with the play he made and mtl fine with his spouting off. He's a tough kid who had nothing given to him. He worked his way up from the cellar.
 

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Love Richard Sherman and love him calling out that "sorry wide receiver." I get why some people don't, but nothing he did makes me feel that he is classless. This is a guy who has worked his ass off to get where he is despite growing up in Compton, being told he wasn't a good enough WR at Stanford and being moved to CB, being bad mouthed by Harbaugh come draft time, getting picked in the 5th round, and then playing a position that the rules put at a distinct disadvantage. Not to mention being bad mouthed by an average WR who was injured most of the season, then shutting that fool down in the biggest game of his career, specifically making the play that won the game.

He talks a bunch, but that is what motivates him and, unlike many clowns, he backs it up. Put a mic in Ray Lewis' face after he makes a game winning tackle vs a player who has been talking mess and you would probably hear the same thing.
 
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I do not like Jean-Baptiste at all. From what I've seen of him, he is not a very good cornerback. Hope the Cardinals avoid him at all costs. There are a lot of solid cornerbacks in this draft, IMO Jean-Baptiste is not one of them.

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nI3i-0kL24

We need a big cover DB to stick with TEs---SJB has very potential in that role, imho.
 

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I do not like Jean-Baptiste at all. From what I've seen of him, he is not a very good cornerback. Hope the Cardinals avoid him at all costs. There are a lot of solid cornerbacks in this draft, IMO Jean-Baptiste is not one of them.

How about Keith McGill - Utah...
 
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Love Richard Sherman and love him calling out that "sorry wide receiver." I get why some people don't, but nothing he did makes me feel that he is classless. This is a guy who has worked his ass off to get where he is despite growing up in Compton, being told he wasn't a good enough WR at Stanford and being moved to CB, being bad mouthed by Harbaugh come draft time, getting picked in the 5th round, and then playing a position that the rules put at a distinct disadvantage. Not to mention being bad mouthed by an average WR who was injured most of the season, then shutting that fool down in the biggest game of his career, specifically making the play that won the game.

He talks a bunch, but that is what motivates him and, unlike many clowns, he backs it up. Put a mic in Ray Lewis' face after he makes a game winning tackle vs a player who has been talking mess and you would probably hear the same thing.

See who disagrees with you and why:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-richard-shermans-actions-were-embarrassing/

Virtually everyone who plays in the NFL has worked his butt off to get there---in addition prior to the rant, running over and rubbing it in on Crabtree and then giving him the choke sign was egregious---they should suspend a player for a game if he does what Sherman did.
 

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Love Richard Sherman and love him calling out that "sorry wide receiver." I get why some people don't, but nothing he did makes me feel that he is classless. This is a guy who has worked his ass off to get where he is despite growing up in Compton, being told he wasn't a good enough WR at Stanford and being moved to CB, being bad mouthed by Harbaugh come draft time, getting picked in the 5th round, and then playing a position that the rules put at a distinct disadvantage. Not to mention being bad mouthed by an average WR who was injured most of the season, then shutting that fool down in the biggest game of his career, specifically making the play that won the game.

He talks a bunch, but that is what motivates him and, unlike many clowns, he backs it up. Put a mic in Ray Lewis' face after he makes a game winning tackle vs a player who has been talking mess and you would probably hear the same thing.

His plight to the NFL is no different than just about 90% of everyone else who worked the asses off to be there?
 

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I think there will be only 1 free agent signed to a contract worth more than $2 mm a year -- a left tackle

I think money will be spent -- but it will be on Dansby, and hopefully Shaughnessy

fwiw:

On twitter today - Arians dismissed the idea of drafting a QB, saying they have two young ones they like in Stanton and Lindley -- and that the goal next year is to win a championship
 

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Based on what?

Certainly not anything said by Keim and Co.

I wrote a full post and went back and forth on this topic with Urban 3 months ago. If you are looking for Kiem to come out and say "We are trading Fitz" and thats the only proof you will accept.....well I dont know what to tell you im not your guy and you can stop reading now.


ME : @Cardschatter @kentsomers Should we be worried about Fitz Sr tweet on #11 being used like blocking TE? Arians not Fitz fan reading t leaves

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@ozrashid @kentsomers Why would you be worried?

ME: I love Fitz in Az. I see BA forcing him play 3 positions, trade rumor smoke,decoy use, cant force ball 2 Larry etc

ME: @Cardschatter @kentsomers and I LOVE what BA doing. But certainly not giving Fitz star treatment and w/ $$$ coming up. His Dads would know?



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@ozrashid @kentsomers His dad might also just be acting like a dad

ME : @Cardschatter @kentsomers k you would know better then me. Hoping Fitz is Card for life just wondering if BA thinks he's good fit w/ scheme @Cardschatter @kentsomers the Calvin Johnson comment before Detroit was curious too

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@ozrashid @kentsomers I have no doubt Fitz is frustrated. But also confident he isn't speaking through his dad.


ME: @Cardschatter @kentsomers so let me frame this a different way. Should I be worried Fitz and BA are not match made in heaven?

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@ozrashid @kentsomers Lot of factors involved in Fitz future. Understand your point, but worried isn't word I would use.




BUT if you look into inferences you see some interesting comments and non comments.

1) Fitz Sr blasting Cards for using him like a blocking TE day after game. You think he didnt talk to Larry after that game?

2) He never really treated him like the franchise player he is. Made him learn the entire playbook and a bunch of new routes. He expectedly struggled and BA's answer was "tough luck make it happen". This was spun as BA doing the right thing for the teram but interesting way to treat a guy like Larry who is as established as he is. We can't "force the ball to Larry"

3) First 8 game he certainly wasnt featured and was more of a decoy. Bet BA doesnt do that with a Calvin Johnson

4) Speaking of CJ. Interesting comment he is best WR in the game with Larry on your team.

5) Trade rumors midseason - Weird how those came up. They werent from Larrys camp. He has 18 million reasons not to want to get cut or force a trade. But seemed to me like a FO leak that was a test for the fan base.

All of this could be isolated and surely quieted down the 2nd half when we got hot. But I got the feeling at the time that this was managing expectations of the Cardinals knowing his contract is coming to a touch point.

Guess well see. Urban thought I was being paranoid. I think where there smoke there is fire.
 
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Good read Mitch. :)

I too like others, wonder how we're gonna get much done given our cap situation...but as you & others say...it all starts with Larry! Lots on Mr Keim's plate this offseason, so thank goodness the human snail Graves is no longer in charge. :D If we just extended Fitz deal, signed PP & Los then got 1 of those 3 LT's I would be grinning ear to ear.
 

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I wrote a full post and went back and forth on this topic with Urban 3 months ago. If you are looking for Kiem to come out and say "We are trading Fitz" and thats the only proof you will accept.....well I dont know what to tell you im not your guy and you can stop reading now.


ME : @Cardschatter @kentsomers Should we be worried about Fitz Sr tweet on #11 being used like blocking TE? Arians not Fitz fan reading t leaves

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@ozrashid @kentsomers Why would you be worried?

ME: I love Fitz in Az. I see BA forcing him play 3 positions, trade rumor smoke,decoy use, cant force ball 2 Larry etc

ME: @Cardschatter @kentsomers and I LOVE what BA doing. But certainly not giving Fitz star treatment and w/ $$$ coming up. His Dads would know?



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@ozrashid @kentsomers His dad might also just be acting like a dad

ME : @Cardschatter @kentsomers k you would know better then me. Hoping Fitz is Card for life just wondering if BA thinks he's good fit w/ scheme @Cardschatter @kentsomers the Calvin Johnson comment before Detroit was curious too

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@ozrashid @kentsomers I have no doubt Fitz is frustrated. But also confident he isn't speaking through his dad.


ME: @Cardschatter @kentsomers so let me frame this a different way. Should I be worried Fitz and BA are not match made in heaven?

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@ozrashid @kentsomers Lot of factors involved in Fitz future. Understand your point, but worried isn't word I would use.




BUT if you look into inferences you see some interesting comments and non comments.

1) Fitz Sr blasting Cards for using him like a blocking TE day after game. You think he didnt talk to Larry after that game?

2) He never really treated him like the franchise player he is. Made him learn the entire playbook and a bunch of new routes. He expectedly struggled and BA's answer was "tough luck make it happen". This was spun as BA doing the right thing for the teram but interesting way to treat a guy like Larry who is as established as he is. We can't "force the ball to Larry"

3) First 8 game he certainly wasnt featured and was more of a decoy. Bet BA doesnt do that with a Calvin Johnson

4) Speaking of CJ. Interesting comment he is best WR in the game with Larry on your team.

5) Trade rumors midseason - Weird how those came up. They werent from Larrys camp. He has 18 million reasons not to want to get cut or force a trade. But seemed to me like a FO leak that was a test for the fan base.

All of this could be isolated and surely quieted down the 2nd half when we got hot. But I got the feeling at the time that this was managing expectations of the Cardinals knowing his contract is coming to a touch point.

Guess well see. Urban thought I was being paranoid. I think where there smoke there is fire.

I see very little to nothing in any of this, you see alot.

Time will tell, but, like Cardschatter I see little to worry about.
 

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LT---Brandon Albert
RT---Eric Winston
TE---Dennis Pitta
WR---Emmanuel Sanders
RB---Donald Brown
DE---Matt Shaughnessy
LB---Karlos Dansby
CB---Chris Cook
PK---Nick Folk

The bolded will actually happen IMO.
 

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UFA Signings---Arizona:

LT---Brandon Albert
RT---Eric Winston
TE---Dennis Pitta
WR---Emmanuel Sanders
RB---Donald Brown
DE---Matt Shaughnessy
LB---Karlos Dansby
CB---Chris Cook
PK---Nick Folk

Luv it! :D

After looking back at this, if 3/4 of those get done, I'm gonna go out on a limb & say the Arizona Cardinals will be Super Bowl champions by 2015 if they are fortunate with team health.

Folk + Los + Shaughnessy + Sanders + Pitta + Albert + the 2013 Big Red = Lombardi Trophy :newcards:
 

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10. Snow Day Mock:

UFA Signings---Arizona:

LT---Brandon Albert
RT---Eric Winston
TE---Dennis Pitta
WR---Emmanuel Sanders
RB---Donald Brown
DE---Matt Shaughnessy
LB---Karlos Dansby
CB---Chris Cook
PK---Nick Folk

Draft:

1. Ra'Shede Hageman, DE/DT, Minnesota
2. Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.
3. Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
4. C.J. Feidorowicz, TE, Iowa
5. Jalen Saunders, WR, Oklahoma
6. Ross Cockrell, CB, Duke

I loved Cook coming out of college. Going in, I didn't even know who he was but noticed during Senior Bowl week that nobody, and I mean nobody, could get open on him. I know he missed his first year in Minny but I agree and think he'd be an excellent addition.

As for the draft, I like it except would add a speed rusher in there somewhere. Maybe in round 2 because I think the Cards will address Safety via free agency.
 

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gotta agree with you here.

Well see. Either way Fitz's cap number is going to need to come down, and likely significantly. He cant be making QB money anymore if we want to remain competitive.

Depends on how much hardball Fitz wants to play. This is one of those situations I dont want to say I told you so and hope im wrong.
 

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