So was Tom Brady the most overlooked draft pick in the past 10 years or what?

[Ryanwb]

The guy is unbelievable, I can't think of another player who has been a bigger impact in the game than he has and taken so low

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
The guy is unbelievable, I can't think of another player who has been a bigger impact in the game than he has and taken so low

What are you talking about? The guy is a system quarterback. He's all right at what he does, but he doesn't have a big-time arm or mobility. Switch the QBs, and I'd wager that Delhomme would be better for the Pats, and Brady would be much worse.

He has good savvy, leadership, moxie, and other intangibles, but he'll never be a Top 5 Quarterback. At least not to me.

 

[Ryanwb]

No way dude, he is super accurate and has tremendous decision making skills. He has all the intangebles you can't teach

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
No way dude, he is super accurate and has tremendous decision making skills. He has all the intangebles you can't teach

I'll give you the intangibles. I just think that he doesn't have the deep arm to run a traditional play-action offense, or the mobility to play in a West-coast-type scheme. The system that New England runs is perfect for him, because he can throw five-yard passes off a three-step drop all day. But ask him to play for the Dolphins, Texans, etc., and he'd be bad. There are a ton of QBs that I'd rather have than Tom Brady, including David Carr.

When Brady isn't getting incredible protection from his O-line (remember, he wasn't sacked all post-season), he tends to look extraordinarily average. Remember that the one time that the Panthers got pressure on Brady, it resulted in a pick that killed the Pats momentum and allowed the Panthers into the game.

 

[100%CardsFan]

I thought I saw Brady throw a bunch of deep balls this year?

 

[Ryanwb]

2 time NFL Playoff MVP, thats like instant induction into the HOF, unless he all of the sudden goes Michael Irvin or something

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by kerouac9
or the mobility to play in a West-coast-type scheme. The system that New England runs is perfect for him, because he can throw five-yard passes off a three-step drop all day.

Since when do you need to be mobile to play in a West Coast offense? Chad Pennington isnt mobile nor does he have a strong arm. A west coast offense relies more on the ability to make quick reads, short accurate passes in stride, and have "It" between the ears.

I dont think Brady is a pro bowl type QB but he essentailly does play in a west coast type offense right now.

 

[Mrospi]

I believe Terrell Davis was a 6th Round pick

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by Mrospi
I believe Terrell Davis was a 6th Round pick

Yeah, but his career got Swann'd

 

[Mrospi]

Ok.... Keenan McCardell... 12th round pick #326 in 1991.... Pro Bowl this year

 

[Mrospi]

Also... Trent Green....1993 Round #8 pick 222...... Pro Bowl this year

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Since when do you need to be mobile to play in a West Coast offense? Chad Pennington isnt mobile nor does he have a strong arm. A west coast offense relies more on the ability to make quick reads, short accurate passes in stride, and have "It" between the ears.

I dont think Brady is a pro bowl type QB but he essentailly does play in a west coast type offense right now.

Since when does Hackett run a WCO scheme? He worked for the 49ers for two years, but he also worked with the Cowboys (86-88) and Chiefs (93-97). Hackett runs a three-step system much like the Pats, which was brought by Parcells, Weis, and Belicheck.

The most traditional/successful WCO QBs have mobility as a major factor: Montana (more mobile than Brady), Young (very mobile), Elway (mobile), Favre (mobile). The lesser ones have also been pretty mobile: McNabb, Garcia, Hasselbeck, Culpepper.

Brady is just all right. He wouldn't be as effective in any other scheme.

 

[Ryanwb]

You're sort of pushing it calling Elway mobile, he may have been slightly mobile early in his career, but after....say 1991, he was never the same

 

[vikesfan]

Put Brady on another team and would be just another average QB. He went to the perfect team for him with the perfect offense.

He reminds me of Bob Griese. He went to 3 sbs and won 2 sbs but no one said he was among the all time great QBs. He was a good QB in the perfect system.

Trent Dilfer won a SB so did Hostetler.


Brady simply is not all that great. His o-line allowed no sacks in the playoffs. He had an awesome defense things like that do make a difference. Remember when he got hurt in the playoff game vs. Pittsburgh and Bledsoe went in and threw the only TD of the game and won the game for NE?

Brady is not a great QB he is a good QB on a great team. Just like Griese who also has 2 SB rings.

 

[schel]

Yeah, Brady is a great QB. I think people still don't give him enough credit (the media is a different story now though). He also showed this season that he can throw the deep ball if he has to.

It's not fair to say he's not a great QB because you think that he couldn't fit in any other system. Take Bledsoe for example, so many people still consider him better than Brady but what has he done? Yes he can throw the deep ball well if he's given the time. But if you put him in the current Patriots offense, he would suffer like he always had. Would Manning be the same if he didn't have the a great play action offense? Every QB has a system they shine in.

I guess a lot of people don't like Brady because of the "dinky dunk" passing game. But realize that the Patriots have no real running game. Yes... Antowain Smith played well during the playoffs, but he overachieved at the end of the season like he always does. Where was he the rest of the season? The short passing game is there because of the lack of a running game. The Patriots have to get all their rushing yards from draw plays as a result of that short passing game. It's backwards (but it was successful). Give the Patriots a good RB and give Brady a better play action pass and I'd bet he would be even better. Also, the Pats offensive linemen work great together. Another reason why there were 0 sacks is that Brady, while not mobile, moves in the pocket very well. He also has a quick release. All this contributes to that stat. So yes... I like Brady

 

[blindseyed]

It's not so much Brady as the whole team is good. The media trys to take one guy (usually the QB) and focus on that one person but truth of the matter is, the Pats just have alot of very good players that all play together. I don't see any single "super star" on that team, they're all on the same level to me. Which isn't a cut, it means they are all very talented and work together as a team which is rare in these days of Meshawn, TO and Sapp.

 

[spanky1]

If Brady was effective only "because he is a system" QB, then why the heck don't we develop a "system" and live with McCown. This line of thinking plays right into the "don't draft a marquee QB with the #3 pick" theory......which by the way, I'm an advocate of.

You give me a #6 QB draft pick who goes out and leads his team to two Super Bowls within the 1st three years of his career and I'll take him anyday over Eli and or Ben R.