Somebody give me a comprehensive plan.

[kerouac9]

It has to get better and they are in this spot because that have chosen to not make dynamic moves, and not enough moves in general. Now the seat should get a little hot because they need to win games instead of trying to play 4-D chess while under the thumb if one of the worst owners in the NFL.

I don't know how closely you follow the NBA and/or Philly sports, but the whole thing with The Process is that the results were ALWAYS just around the corner, and the 76ers were always right on the cusp of consistent, prolonged, championship contention.

PA went through it; I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks that Sam Hinkie just didn't get quite enough time for his vision to blossom.

The challenge with the NFL is that most veteran non-QB contracts are effectively three-year deals; rookie contracts are four-year deals. There's no "slow build to sustained success" because Garrett Williams is two years away from free agency.

 

[Stout]

I know you don't like this answer, but there aren't many better QB options this upcoming season. I don't say that because I am interested in watching more Kyler, but just having looked at what is out there in terms of FA and the draft.

I disagree, at least in relation to utilizing and developing MHJ. KM can't do so. That's painfully obvious. Another QB might not significantly upgrade the position but can at least provide adequate service to a talented young WR.

 

[Stout]

Dynamic moves?? The dynamic moves were made when they hired MOJG and COMMITTED to the PROCESS of sustainable success. The plan was never to be a legit playoff team in year 2 of a COMPLETE REBUILD. The plan is to stay the course, continue to draft with a scouting team that emphasizes certain positions over other positions, and develop, develop, develop. This WAS the plan, and this will remain the plan. The team has made some very nice advances, but isn’t talented enough to get to the next level just yet. We are in the middle of a major & complete rebuild. We’re not in the beginning, and we’re certainly not in the latter stages yet. Now, you have to stay the course. You’re driving yourself crazy to think we have somehow failed this year. No matter how we got there 7-8 at this stage was always the goal. MOJG have a much better idea now as to what talent they may or may not currently have. We don’t have as many draft picks this year, so I fully expect them to be more active with their free agency money. Not stupid active, but active just the same. And I expect the players they’ve drafted the last 2 years, to make continued progress, especially the guys moving from year 1 to year 2.

I did not sign up to improve by 3 games in 2 years.

 

[PACardsFan]

Going to push back on this a bit. You are demonstrating shockingly low expectations from our front office.

Texans hired Demeco Ryans in 2023, same year as we hired Gannon. Texans went 10-7 in year 1 with a rookie QB, and are poised to have back to back 10 win seasons.

Broncos hired Sean Payton in 2023. Year 2 they are 9-6, borderline playoff team with a rookie QB.

Shane Steichan was hired in 2023. Rookie QB. He is currently a .500 HC.

Dan Quinn hired in 2024. Year 1 and with a rookie QB...

Raheem Morris hired in 2024. Year 1...8-7.

Michael McDonald hired in 2024. Year 1...8-7 with Geno Smith.

Jim Harbaugh hired in 2024. Year 1...9-6.

I hate to write this but Gannon's win % in on par with Brian Daboll and Antonio Pierce. Our timelines follows that of the Panthers, Bears, Jets, and Giants. The bottom of the barrel NFL franchises right now. To excuse what this regime (and I put it mostly on Monti) has produced in their 1st two years is laughable. It has to get better and they are in this spot because that have chosen to not make dynamic moves, and not enough moves in general. Now the seat should get a little hot because they need to win games instead of trying to play 4-D chess while under the thumb if one of the worst owners in the NFL.

You obviously don’t understand the point being made. None of the teams you mentioned made sustainable success the goal & none of them gutted their rosters like the Cardinals did in order to rebuild in a manner that would attain sustainable success. The Texans last year played the easiest schedule any NFL team may have ever seen. This have regressed this year, as has their 2nd year QB. The rest of those teams have taken the same approach that Steve Keim took while here. Keep an eye on those teams. None of them will have sustainable success.

 

[PACardsFan]

I did not sign up to improve by 3 games in 2 years.

The Cardinals really don’t give a crap what you signed up for. MOJG was very clear what they meant by developing sustainable success. And that’s what we’re getting. If you don’t have the patience, then go root for the Chiefs for another year or two.

 

[Russ Smith]

But why though? Is it the system, the coaches, the talent around him, or all of the above? I don't think Darnold would look like he does playing for the Cards or many other teams.

I think Kevin O'Connell is really good with QB's and they have a really good offense with excellent receivers. Long term I like Marv but right now I'd take Jordan Addison over Marv this season, he's a better player. Career, I'll take Marv.

I also said this before, I have a hunch that his one year in SF backing up there probably changed his career trajectory because he played for a really good coach. He didn't play but he spent the year there

 

[Cheesebeef]

You obviously don’t understand the point being made. None of the teams you mentioned made sustainable success the goal & none of them gutted their rosters like the Cardinals did in order to rebuild in a manner that would attain sustainable success. The Texans last year played the easiest schedule any NFL team may have ever seen. This have regressed this year, as has their 2nd year QB. The rest of those teams have taken the same approach that Steve Keim took while here. Keep an eye on those teams. None of them will have sustainable success.

This is the same Steve Keim, who you used to support to the death and ludicrously bash anyone who dared criticize him, right?

You were clueless then and I fear you’re even more clueless now.

 

[HairZach]

I did not sign up to improve by 3 games in 2 years.

Well if you expect the Lion's jump here are the required ingredients. Invest 3 1st round picks into the OL (2 OTs and a center), then trade Kyler for 2 1st rounders, a 3rd, AND a starting caliber QB.

 

[Stout]

The Cardinals really don’t give a crap what you signed up for. MOJG was very clear what they meant by developing sustainable success. And that’s what we’re getting. If you don’t have the patience, then go root for the Chiefs for another year or two.

Blathering about sustainable success before there's any, you know, success is funny. You have no idea if this slow build is going to work. Riddle me this: When our good players become FA before we're in the playoffs and we have to replace them in a slow, conservative "build," what then?

 

[Stout]

Well if you expect the Lion's jump here are the required ingredients. Invest 3 1st round picks into the OL (2 OTs and a center), then trade Kyler for 2 1st rounders, a 3rd, AND a starting caliber QB.

Wouldn't it be nice!

 

[cardncubfan]

I posted this in the pre game thread but it's a better fit here.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But why though? Is it the system, the coaches, the talent around him, or all of the above? I don't think Darnold would look like he does playing for the Cards or many other teams.

But you can’t ignore that he’s been better than dobbs. So it’s a combination of better coaching, better talent, but darnold had to still be able to take advantage of it. He did whereas a dobbs could not to the same level.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Going to push back on this a bit. You are demonstrating shockingly low expectations from our front office.

Texans hired Demeco Ryans in 2023, same year as we hired Gannon. Texans went 10-7 in year 1 with a rookie QB, and are poised to have back to back 10 win seasons.

Broncos hired Sean Payton in 2023. Year 2 they are 9-6, borderline playoff team with a rookie QB.

Shane Steichan was hired in 2023. Rookie QB. He is currently a .500 HC.

Dan Quinn hired in 2024. Year 1 and with a rookie QB...

Raheem Morris hired in 2024. Year 1...8-7.

Michael McDonald hired in 2024. Year 1...8-7 with Geno Smith.

Jim Harbaugh hired in 2024. Year 1...9-6.

I hate to write this but Gannon's win % in on par with Brian Daboll and Antonio Pierce. Our timelines follows that of the Panthers, Bears, Jets, and Giants. The bottom of the barrel NFL franchises right now. To excuse what this regime (and I put it mostly on Monti) has produced in their 1st two years is laughable. It has to get better and they are in this spot because that have chosen to not make dynamic moves, and not enough moves in general. Now the seat should get a little hot because they need to win games instead of trying to play 4-D chess while under the thumb if one of the worst owners in the NFL.

Amen. Your post is monti and gannons worst nightmare.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Keim took while here. Keep an eye on those teams. None of them will have sustainable success.

Man I think this line is going to haunt you.

 

[HairZach]

Amen. Your post is monti and gannons worst nightmare.

I do think we'd have 10 wins with the Texans schedule. Easily.

The Texans wins are
Jags x2
Bills where josh allen was playing very obviously concussed
Colts x2
Pats
Dolphins
Cowboys
Bears

The Texans have also lost to the Jets and Titans, and still get to play the Titans again.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Man I think this line is going to haunt you.

I just don’t understand how anyone looks at teams like Washington, SD and Denver and claim they aren’t built for “sustained success”, especially in comparison to the Cardinals who will have improved a whopping 4 games in 2 years while entering season 3 with the same questions at QB/Edge/WR they faced when Monti/Gaggon were hired… not to mention relying on an aging running back, who’s the centerpiece of the entire offense.

All three of those teams have young good to great YOUNG Franchise QBs, Washington isn’t anywhere close to cap hell (which doesn’t really exist anyway) and SD and Denver are taking their cap hits THIS season where they’re still having more success to start than we are AND both have vastly superior coaches. Oh… and they’re all already playoff teams.

But yeah… the Cards with massive question marks at the most important roster spots (QB, Edge, WR, DL) are set up much better for success.

 

[kerouac9]

Gaggon

Absolutely savage.

 

[cardncubfan]

But you can’t ignore that he’s been better than dobbs. So it’s a combination of better coaching, better talent, but darnold had to still be able to take advantage of it. He did whereas a dobbs could not to the same level.

My point was Dobbs played better in that system/coaches/team than anywhere else he's played. Same with Darnold.

 

[ajcardfan]

I do think we'd have 10 wins with the Texans schedule. Easily.

The Texans wins are
Jags x2
Bills where josh allen was playing very obviously concussed
Colts x2
Pats
Dolphins
Cowboys
Bears

The Texans have also lost to the Jets and Titans, and still get to play the Titans again.

I cannot bitch about our schedule. We had a terrific schedule this season. We took advantage of the soft part to get to 6-4. Then, with the second soft part after the Vikings game, we went 1-2 and blew it.

 

[kerouac9]

I cannot bitch about our schedule. We had a terrific schedule this season. We took advantage of the soft part to get to 6-4. Then, with the second soft part after the Vikings game, we went 1-2 and blew it.

Yup. The 49ers crashing out really helped our schedule at the end of the day. Division winner will likely have 10 wins but could have nine.

Next year is literally no excuses for Monti and Gannon to make the playoffs. We'll play the NFC South, AFC South, and the third-place team in the NFC North (likely the Packers), AFC North (likely the Bengals), and NFC East (likely the Cowboys).

Home schedule BLOWS, though. Imagine paying a price increase to watch our division plus the Falcons, Panthers, Jags, and Titans. Light a candle for the Big Red Season Ticket Sales Team -- at least they have a Packers game to market.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My point was Dobbs played better in that system/coaches/team than anywhere else he's played. Same with Darnold.

Correct. But he didn’t play as well in that system as did darnold. So obviously the coaching/system/surrounding players have some impact on how well the QBs play, but it’s also indicative that darnold own skills and abilities has something to do with the success. If it was all due to the system/coach/cast darnold and dobbs would’ve had the same success. They did not.