Somers Reports That Leinart Is Still The Starter

[Mitch]

Well in the poll that is being conducted....almost 40% of you want Leinart to start BUT think Warner has a better chance of winning now...This is the WIN NOW league...it always has been....Look at Merriman from San Diego...They are thinking and so is he...of playing with 2 major Tears in his knee!!! What does that tell you...Some orginizations know...that your window is small...so you better jump threw it...not sit and windex it so you can see your playoffs go bye bye.

Right on, CC. Next year is next year. Now is now.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I know about Bush but who was the other fastest guy in college? How many of those other guys have proved anything in the NFL? Factor in how good of a pro Carson Palmer is and I don't think it's accurate to say USC quarterbacks merely benefit from the system and surrounding talent.

Outside of the disaster at Oakland Matt hasn't been as bad as you make him out to be. I think Matt is capable of being a very good pro, just like Warner was. In his young career he's already had several very good games. I think it's laughable that you guys say we're guaranteed a losing season with him at the helm.

Steve Smith and Jarrett...I know ran sub 4.5 40's...Plus they had Lindell White....It is easy to sit back and pick teams apart when 1) you play a crappy Pac 10 schedule(especially when Matt was there) and 2) you have 2 ALL Amrican Running backs in the back field. I mean Booty broke quite a few USC records but no one drafted him...Because they lost....Their system benefits QB's...ANd I never siad Matt won't succeed...just now this year.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Here is the problem....If Matt starts and loses a game that we should have or could have won....Whis loses all crediblity and you will have desension on the team. If Matt throws 3 int's in the first half of say the 49er game we lose 24-21....Then Matt is done for the year...because even then he will think he has failed. I don't see one positive out of this unless...Matt proves 95% of the pundits wrong and 50% of the fans wrong. Warner led us to 30+ points and threw 21 TD's in the last 8 games....How should he be benched??? Management is in on this...Whis says you can't lose your job to injury? Warner has twice and there are other numerous QB's in the league that have...Especially after the 5th week when the sub comes in and plays great with 1 friggin arm!

B.b.bbbbbut you told me so, and I heard it from you first

Ah, just messing with you. I hear you, I have flip flopped on this issues. Back and forth.

Can't argue that Warner looks good, and that Matt looked awfully poor last game.

But the coaches are the guys who have watched this fromt he start and are best to judge the situation.

Furthermore, THE LAST people on this planet who we as Cardinals fans should listen to is ESPN......cause they have always had GREAT coverage of the St. Lou...I mean Pheon.....I mean Arizona Cardinals.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

that your window is small...so you better jump threw it...not sit and windex it so you can see your playoffs go bye bye.

Please....don't tell Calvin Pace that.

 

[Cards_Campos]

What baffles me, Cards_Campos, is anyone who has watched the Cardinals last year and this, cannot possibly think that Leinart throws the ball better, nor has better chemistry with the recievers than Warner. There's no video that can even remotely justify that stance.

Even if Leinart didn't throw the three interceptions, he's a dink and dunk QB, with limited mobility and questionable arm strength and toughness.

It's too soon to call him a bust...I actually think he'd be a good fit in Chicago...but in this offense, he's bound to struggle.

Why Whiz has allowed this to fester and perpetuate is absolutely mind-boggling to me. Quite frankly, I've lost some respect for Whiz in how he's handled this...and it would be alright with me if he and Leinart went elsewhere and Russ Grimm took over.

I completely agree! Dinka donka should be our offensive game plan with Leinart in. It is like the West Coast Offense with out passing.

They should poll the offensive players and go with that...I would except the offenses judgement..

 

[Mitch]

B.b.bbbbbut you told me so, and I heard it from you first

Ah, just messing with you. I hear you, I have flip flopped on this issues. Back and forth.

Can't argue that Warner looks good, and that Matt looked awfully poor last game.

But the coaches are the guys who have watched this fromt he start and are best to judge the situation.

Furthermore, THE LAST people on this planet who we as Cardinals fans should listen to is ESPN......cause they have always had GREAT coverage of the St. Lou...I mean Pheon.....I mean Arizona Cardinals.

I actually support ESPN on this...they seem to have a better understanding of what it takes to move an offense and win football games than our own head coach.

 

[PACardsFan]

What worries me is these playoff berths come down to ONE game...

If that's the case, then cut Rackers right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mitch]

I completely agree! Dinka donka should be our offensive game plan with Leinart in. It is like the West Coast Offense with out passing.

They should poll the offensive players and go with that...I would except the offenses judgement..

And this just in: The Cardinals still have 2 Pro Bowl WRs to throw to...that is, if the QB can throw to them.

 

[Assface]

What baffles me, Cards_Campos, is anyone who has watched the Cardinals last year and this, cannot possibly think that Leinart throws the ball better, nor has better chemistry with the recievers than Warner. There's no video that can even remotely justify that stance.

Even if Leinart didn't throw the three interceptions, he's a dink and dunk QB, with limited mobility and questionable arm strength and toughness.

It's too soon to call him a bust...I actually think he'd be a good fit in Chicago...but in this offense, he's bound to struggle.

Why Whiz has allowed this to fester and perpetuate is absolutely mind-boggling to me. Quite frankly, I've lost some respect for Whiz in how he's handled this...and it would be alright with me if he and Leinart went elsewhere and Russ Grimm took over.

That makes absolutely no sense at all because Chicago's offense the last few years has consisted entirely of running on first and second down and then throwing deep. I know the perception of Chicago is a conservative offense but that's because they run, run run. Their passing offense is anything but conservative. That's why Grossman had 7 games with a QB rating over 100 and 23 touchdowns in 2006, he was throwing bomb after bomb to the speedy Bernard Berrian. BB is a horrible route runner and is only good for deep routes. That year Grossman also had 4 games under 40 because they don't do those say, high percentage dink and dunk passes.

 

[Mitch]

What worries me is these playoff berths come down to ONE game...

If that's the case, then cut Rackers right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too smart a decision for our coaching staff and personnel people.

 

[Evil Ash]

Kurt did have 7 turnovers in 2 crucial games last year and still threw 10 more td's then int's and still had a qb rating of almost 90!!!

Fumbles aren't taken into account for QB rating otherwise it would be a helluva lot lower. He had 24 turnovers as a part time starter. I'm still trying to figure out how he gets as much slack as he does.

So I'll take a bad game here or there for 10 great ones

Warner had 10 great games last year? You could've fooled me

Matt can have a bad quarter to a good quarter to a bad quarter

So does Warner

It has turned into bashing Matt and I don't want to....Matt might be our future...but he is getting 750,000 this year and we have him 2 more years

How do you find out if he is the future if you conitnually to bench him after he has a bad preseason game?

We have a team built on scoring 30+ points and with Warner in there...he makes defense atleast think quick bomb or pass first

They also think about his fumbling problems. Get any pressure on him and he collapses. He only had 5 attempts to pass in that same preseason game and he fumbled on one of them.

No matter what you think...a team can t off on our offense because Whiz play Leinart more conservatively...He just does!

Conservative is fine if it keeps moving the chains and wins the game. 30 points a game doesn't help if you spot their team 14 points due to turnovers.

In this time in the NFL, it is the job of the QB to NOT LOSE games not to try and win them by himself. Eli Manning and Trent Dilfer have as many Superbowl rings as Warner.

 

[Mitch]

That makes absolutely no sense at all because Chicago's offense the last few years has consisted entirely of running on first and second down and then throwing deep. I know the perception of Chicago is a conservative offense but that's because they run, run run. Their passing offense is anything but conservative. That's why Grossman had 7 games with a QB rating over 100 and 23 touchdowns in 2006, he was throwing bomb after bomb to the speedy Bernard Berrian. BB is a horrible route runner and is only good for deep routes. That year Grossman also had 4 games under 40 because they don't do those say, high percentage dink and dunk passes.

Their roster has changed...they want to pass intermediate routes to their TE Greg Olsen...and both their starting WRs, Booker and Bradley are underneath guys. They also like to throw a lot to their RBs, especailly the FB.

 

[TJ]

There was one play in the Raiders game that was interesting. Someone, whether it be a running back or a lineman, missed an assignment on a blitzing linebacker, had a clean shot at Leinart, got to him but couldnt pull him down because leinart scrambled out of the mess. Meanwhile, Warner gets hit and the ball immediately hits the dirt.

In conclusion, Warner is not God

 

[Evil Ash]

Notice how ESPN is not reporting this?? Come on Mort, realize that your sources" (or voices in your head) are derranged.

They reported it on ESPNews but they said it was just Whis making the best of a bad situation. They're still covering for Mort

 

[Pariah]

both their starting WRs, Booker and Bradley are underneath guys.

I thought Hester was starting at WR this year?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I actually support ESPN on this...they seem to have a better understanding of what it takes to move an offense and win football games than our own head coach.

??????

Uh, that is good. But they still made up a complete B.S rumor that was a complete lie.

Now they are trying to justify it be calling out our organization. ESPN is a ***** of a company so I don't side with them on anything.

As for the competition. I still stick with what I said earlier today. I personally would like to see Warner. If the coaches want to go with Leinart they have my support.

I am not bold enough to say I know more than The Whizard of Az.

 

[Cards_Campos]

"In this time in the NFL, it is the job of the QB to NOT LOSE games not to try and win them by himself. Eli Manning and Trent Dilfer have as many Superbowl rings as Warner."

LOL you are comparing Trent and Eli to Warner....First and foremost..the Rams won with OFfense period...The others won despite of their Qb's...Yes Eli played great in the playoff's...but he had a extremely lucky catch and illusive sack to win that game...and the rest was all the pressure Brady was getting.....IF our defense was as good as Baltimores....I would Start St. Peirre

 

[RugbyMuffin]

What worries me is these playoff berths come down to ONE game...

If that's the case, then cut Rackers right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed!

 

[Cards_Campos]

SCouts.INC has the perfect point....Leinart cannot handle the Blitz!!! He has struggled against every team that Blitzes...ie...Oakland, Baltimore and the 2nd half of Chicago...He doesn't know where they are coming from and he panicks....Warner feeds off of Blitzes...1 because he played in the Arena league where you throw the ball in 3 seconds...and 2 ..he attacks the blitz.....USC never faced pressure in college...easy to sit back and pick apart teams....Scouts.inc is dead on this one...teams will figure out to just blitz Leinart and he will fold like a cheap tent.

 

[Assface]

And this just in: The Cardinals still have 2 Pro Bowl WRs to throw to...that is, if the QB can throw to them.

Remind me again what trait it is that made these 2 recievers Pro Bowlers? What is it about Boldin that we love so much here? I'm pretty sure it's not that they're great vertical threats because everyone is always commenting on their lack of speed and there was a lot of discussion this offseason about adding a true deep threat to the roster.

Call me crazy but I think a short passing attack fits this guy to a T.


This guy is pretty damn good at those intermediate routes. Nice 45 yard throw from Leinart at the 1:05 mark. I think he'll be just fine with Leinart.

 

[TruColor]

Bottom line: As good as Kurt has been - or even still is - he's not the QBOTF. The Cardinals are HOPING that Matt is. In fact, they're PRAYING that Matt is, and they're going to squeeze every bit out of him that they can before completely throwing in the towel and starting the search for a new QB.

It would be a disaster for the Cards if Matt was a bust and they had to go with Kurt methinks. In the big picture of things anyway.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Or maybe, as a so-far successful head coach in the NFL,

Where do you people come up with this stuff. LMAO

Only in cardinal fan land is Whiz a successful head coach. He screwed mahy things up last year with an awfully talented team that should have easily made the playoffs.

I am all for giving him, heck 2 more years but stop being blind to a persons continued mistakes. I had to hear for years about Dqave Macs one heartbeat BS and how "great" he was and McClown and a dozen others.

Lets see improvement in the season first. He has improved the delay of games and has not improved the penalties. 1-1 so far.

 

[CaptTurbo]

How do you find out if he is the future if you conitnually to bench him after he has a bad preseason game?

They have had an entire training camp and 4 preseason games to see who is better. Reports are that Warner looks a lot better. Its not Kurts fault.

 

[Assface]

I thought Hester was starting at WR this year?

Not only that but Mark Bradley is a 4.37 guy and is more of a vertical threat than an underneath route runner.

 

[Mitch]

Bottom line: As good as Kurt has been - or even still is - he's not the QBOTF. The Cardinals are HOPING that Matt is. In fact, they're PRAYING that Matt is, and they're going to squeeze every bit out of him that they can before completely throwing in the towel and starting the search for a new QB.

It would be a disaster for the Cards if Matt was a bust and they had to go with Kurt methinks. In the big picture of things anyway.

You and others seem so desperate for Leinart to be the man. he wasn't drafted by the current coaching staff. A QB they've worked with in Brian St. Pierre has looked quite good this pre-season...maybe they hold on to him? Maybe they sign a free agent? Maybe Leinart "light bulb" comes on at some point and he starts throwing with authority?

This year...is this year. Right now, Kurt Warner makes the throws this offense needs. He's not invincible. But the numbers last year were numbers we haven't seen in Arizona in quite some time. That says something.