Somers Reports That Leinart Is Still The Starter

[Evil Ash]

"In this time in the NFL, it is the job of the QB to NOT LOSE games not to try and win them by himself. Eli Manning and Trent Dilfer have as many Superbowl rings as Warner."

LOL you are comparing Trent and Eli to Warner....First and foremost..the Rams won with OFfense period...The others won despite of their Qb's...Yes Eli played great in the playoff's...but he had a extremely lucky catch and illusive sack to win that game...and the rest was all the pressure Brady was getting.....IF our defense was as good as Baltimores....I would Start St. Peirre

We don't know how good our defense is. If they play like they did against the Raiders, I'd say they're pretty damn good.

My point is simple. Don't bring up what Warner did in his first year with the Rams because it has nothing to do with how he plays now (otherwise I'd say get Elway out of retirement). Warner is who he is - a seasoned vet who is just as likely to make the great play as he is to turn the ball over (hence why I keep bringing up his 24 turnovers to his 27 TDs). He gets way too much slack by some on here.

Leinart has shown flashes of what he can be, he also shown why people worry about him.

They both have their good and their bad side. They both have arguments to start. I don't want it to be decided simply based on a preseason game.

Let the coaches decide who has the best chance to win games.

 

[cardsfanmd]

When did that ever happen? As much credit as Warner gets (and he deserves it) for being a good teammate, Leinart has been just as good. Everything he's ever said to the media has been positive and humble. Bitching and moaning when he doesn't feel loved? That makes no sense at all.

OK, before this one grows wings and Leinart is a malcontent that wants to be traded, when has he bitched and moaned?

You dont remember the "ride or die" speil from last year??? When you complain to the media that you wish your team would do that with you when you were OBVIOUSLY outperfomed by your backup, that means you are acting like a pouty little whiny biiooootch IMO.

 

[Hog'sWad271]

Reply to swd

Success in the NFL is measured in wins & losses. A team's record year-to-year may be viewed as a barometer for the success of a team and coaching staff. If the number of wins in a season goes UP from the previous year, that means that the coaching staff led the team to an improved performance over the previous season, which generally indicates improvement in the team's play.

Since the average NFL coach would, statistically, tend to coach a team to identical record as the year before (indicating no significant improvement or decline), then a coach that drives a team to an improved record may be called successful, above average, effective etc.

The Cardinals were 6-10 in '06. In '07, Whisenhunt's first season, they were 8-8. That is a two-game improvement. Therefore, so far, he is a successful NFL head coach.

Hilarious stuff.

 

[Evil Ash]

They have had an entire training camp and 4 preseason games to see who is better. Reports are that Warner looks a lot better. Its not Kurts fault.

They've had 3 preseason games and the reports have been mixed. If they base it on the whole body of work this offseason then I'm fine with it.

Basing it off a single bad preseason game, where Warner didn't look that good either (2-4 with a fumble) seems like a very stupid decision. It seems like our coach agrees with my assessment.

 

[joeshmo]

SCouts.INC has the perfect point....Leinart cannot handle the Blitz!!! He has struggled against every team that Blitzes...ie...Oakland, Baltimore and the 2nd half of Chicago...He doesn't know where they are coming from and he panicks....Warner feeds off of Blitzes...1 because he played in the Arena league where you throw the ball in 3 seconds...and 2 ..he attacks the blitz.....USC never faced pressure in college...easy to sit back and pick apart teams....Scouts.inc is dead on this one...teams will figure out to just blitz Leinart and he will fold like a cheap tent.

I agree about the part about Matt but to say that Warner is better at that just isnt true at all. Warners MO since forever has been that he holds onto the ball way to long. It is why he gets sacked more per pass attempt then Matt does. It is why he got sacked in the S.F. game to end the game in overtime, he didnt throw the ball within 3 seconds. The guy looks for the long ball 9 times out of 10 which takes longer then the normal QB becuase of his gun slinger style. Matt doesnt handle the blitz well at all but to say that Warner does is very disingenuous and revisionist history.

 

[Assface]

You dont remember the "ride or die" speil from last year??? When you complain to the media that you wish your team would do that with you when you were OBVIOUSLY outperfomed by your backup, that means you are acting like a pouty little whiny biiooootch IMO.

Wasn't that the interview that wasn't actually an interview? According the the USA Today article I just looked up since you mentioned it, Matt followed up with:

Leinart went on to praise Warner and said, "The bottom line is doing whatever it takes to help this team and we won a very big game today, so I can't be mad."


All offseason long Kurt has been telling everyone that he feels like he should be the starter. I guess he's a "pouty little whiny biioooootch" too.

 

[joeshmo]

You dont remember the "ride or die" speil from last year??? When you complain to the media that you wish your team would do that with you when you were OBVIOUSLY outperfomed by your backup, that means you are acting like a pouty little whiny biiooootch IMO.

That was a year ago and he fully admitted that he did not handle that well and did not do what was asked of him in the offseason. He admitted his mistake.

One time makes him a whiny person? If he had a habit of it I would agree with you but to label a guy for doing something ONCE is a bit much.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Wasn't that the interview that wasn't actually an interview? According the the USA Today article I just looked up since you mentioned it, Matt followed up with:

Leinart went on to praise Warner and said, "The bottom line is doing whatever it takes to help this team and we won a very big game today, so I can't be mad."


All offseason long Kurt has been telling everyone that he feels like he should be the starter. I guess he's a "pouty little whiny biioooootch" too.

That made no sense whatsoever. Stop getting all emotional here. Kurt has been the consumate proffessional. There is a big difference between saying that you feel you are the best man for the job and having the stats to prove it and admitting that you were outplayed and still wanting your team to possibly "die with you".

As far as whether Leinart's statements were made in an official interview is erroneous. He still said them, and being as though it wasn't in an actual interview means that he really meant those words.

 

[joeshmo]

As far as whether Leinart's statements were made in an official interview is erroneous. He still said them, and being as though it wasn't in an actual interview means that he really meant those words.

Honest question. Did he actually say it though or was it the fantasical writtings of a writter. Dont remember that situation and didnt really follow all that hard. It turned into a mess of he said and she said and I just stopped listening after a few days.

 

[cardsfanmd]

That was a year ago and he fully admitted that he did not handle that well and did not do what was asked of him in the offseason. He admitted his mistake.

One time makes him a whiny person? If he had a habit of it I would agree with you but to label a guy for doing something ONCE is a bit much.

I understand this and can agree to an extent, but at the same time the guy what 25. He may be a late bloomer, but there is a difference between immaturaty and whining IMO.

I dont know I still remember his episode of "Punked" vividly and honestly believe it hurt his draft stock. I can rememberr watching it and thanking God he would be gone before 10. Since then I have seen him grow and hope he is a different person, but from personal experience, the basic core of a person never changes.

Hopefully I am wrong.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Honest question. Did he actually say it though or was it the fantasical writtings of a writter. Dont remember that situation and didnt really follow all that hard. It turned into a mess of he said and she said and I just stopped listening after a few days.

I was pretty sure the ride or die thing was accurate, but it's not like I haven't been wrong before. From what I remember, he made a phone call oir recieved one from a reporter while at a steakhouse after the Baltimore game.

 

[Cards_Campos]

They just had the Arizona beat writer on ESPN News. And he said that Warner has looked Fantastic during Training Camp and players have even said he doesn't make any throwing errors. They showed his stas from the last 8 games on TV and they were better than Brady, Peyton, and Romo's!!!! ESPN was basically saying this is ridiculous when is enough enough...and the beat writer...Bob something...said that Whiz has stuck by Lienart because he is our future...but if This guy and many others have said Warner has looke dfar better...it make me believe....Management is pushing Leinart.

 

[joeshmo]

I understand this and can agree to an extent, but at the same time the guy what 25. He may be a late bloomer, but there is a difference between immaturaty and whining IMO.

I dont know I still remember his episode of "Punked" vividly and honestly believe it hurt his draft stock. I can rememberr watching it and thanking God he would be gone before 10. Since then I have seen him grow and hope he is a different person, but from personal experience, the basic core of a person never changes.

Hopefully I am wrong.

Without question he was immature coming into the league. I think he has admitted to that as well.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I am also getting fed up with people saying...Well If Matt didn't have to look over his shoulder and he knew he was going to stay in...DUDE and Dudettes....This is the NFL..imagine being an Olympic athlete...where there is always someone over your shoulder waiting and wanting to take away what you want....a medal.....Suck it up and act like a 12 year old chinese Gymnast...and take the Gold Medal then Matt!

 

[Assface]

That made no sense whatsoever. Stop getting all emotional here. Kurt has been the consumate proffessional. There is a big difference between saying that you feel you are the best man for the job and having the stats to prove it and admitting that you were outplayed and still wanting your team to possibly "die with you".

As far as whether Leinart's statements were made in an official interview is erroneous. He still said them, and being as though it wasn't in an actual interview means that he really meant those words.

That's funny. I was just using your exact words because I think you're argument about Matt being whiny is extremely weak. Yes, Kurt is a consummate professional but Matt has been very good too. As far as the bolded part above, do you ever re-read your own posts? You're just ripping on Matt and getting pretty worked up. Not exactly unemotional and objective sounding.

 

[cardsfanmd]

They just had the Arizona beat writer on ESPN News. And he said that Warner has looked Fantastic during Training Camp and players have even said he doesn't make any throwing errors. They showed his stas from the last 8 games on TV and they were better than Brady, Peyton, and Romo's!!!! ESPN was basically saying this is ridiculous when is enough enough...and the beat writer...Bob something...said that Whiz has stuck by Lienart because he is our future...but if This guy and many others have said Warner has looke dfar better...it make me believe....Management is pushing Leinart.

Of course they are. Graves has shown that he isn't going anywhere and his job security isn't at risk. I just hope for Whiz's sake that they extended that to him before asking him to forcefeed Matt to the world.

I understand the thought behind starting Matt and would normally agree with it, but I have a feeling that we will be losing arguably our two best players next year in Boldin and Dansby. I say strike while the iron is hot and get as far as we can this year. This team has been rebuilding my whole life!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[joeshmo]

They just had the Arizona beat writer on ESPN News. And he said that Warner has looked Fantastic during Training Camp and players have even said he doesn't make any throwing errors. They showed his stas from the last 8 games on TV and they were better than Brady, Peyton, and Romo's!!!! ESPN was basically saying this is ridiculous when is enough enough...and the beat writer...Bob something...said that Whiz has stuck by Lienart because he is our future...but if This guy and many others have said Warner has looke dfar better...it make me believe....Management is pushing Leinart.

Clayton was the only guy from ESPN, to show up to Camp for a total of 1.5 days. Bob Kemp if that is the guy you are talking about is about the least knowledgable football guy and Cardinals insider out of every single sports person the the valley. Doesnt take a trip up to camp at all like the others do.

If only you said the name Darren, Kent, or even Mike instead of Bob. If you want baseball info then Bob is your guy.

Still not sure why people are bustin a nut over this whole thing like they are. Wiz isnt going to name a starting QB until the offense takes their first snap in the 49ers game. To do all of this hand wringing and calling Wiz and management idiots before it actually happens is crazy to me.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Clayton was the only guy from ESPN, to show up to Camp for a total of 1.5 days. Bob Kemp if that is the guy you are talking about is about the least knowledgable football guy and Cardinals insider out of every single sports person the the valley. Doesnt take a trip up to camp at all like the others do.

If only you said the name Darren, Kent, or even Mike instead of Bob. If you want baseball info then Bob is your guy.

Still not sure why people are bustin a nut over this whole thing like they are. Wiz isnt going to name a starting QB until the offense takes their first snap in the 49ers game. To do all of this hand wringing and calling Wiz and management idiots before it actually happens is crazy to me.

Not Bob Kemp...Something like Bob Banerham or something like that...he worked for the paper...Anyway he sounded insightful...but really didn't have an answer for her...Cohn(red headed woman) But you can tell she was like whats up with you guys in the desert. ")

 

[joeshmo]

Not Bob Kemp...Something like Bob Banerham or something like that...he worked for the paper...Anyway he sounded insightful...but really didn't have an answer for her...Cohn(red headed woman) But you can tell she was like whats up with you guys in the desert. ")

Arizona Centrals - Bob McManaman

He isnt even the Arizona Centrals Cardinals sports writter. He is a rogue that does pieces for all of the sports, wherever they need his help on any given day. Not even the main Cards and NFL writer for them, thats Kent Sommers.

Might be the second lowest Cards sports insider in the valley. Might have talked with Kent Somers though without a doubt since they work together, but he still isnt the most insightful person that ESPN could have found or should have found for that matter.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Arizona Centrals - Bob McManaman

He isnt even the Arizona Centrals Cardinals sports writter. He is a rogue that does pieces for all of the sports, wherever they need his help on any given day. Not even the main Cards and NFL writer for them, thats Kent Sommers.

Might be the second lowest Cards sports insider in the valley. Might have talked with Kent Somers though without a doubt since they work together, but he still isnt the most insightful person that ESPN could have found or should have found for that matter.

Well it was still interesting...it was about 5 minutes on ESPN News...and Yes you got the name right...Went back to look Anyway he might have been the one who talked to Mortenson Either way Warner should start

 

[TruColor]

You and others seem so desperate for Leinart to be the man. he wasn't drafted by the current coaching staff. A QB they've worked with in Brian St. Pierre has looked quite good this pre-season...maybe they hold on to him? Maybe they sign a free agent? Maybe Leinart "light bulb" comes on at some point and he starts throwing with authority?

This year...is this year. Right now, Kurt Warner makes the throws this offense needs. He's not invincible. But the numbers last year were numbers we haven't seen in Arizona in quite some time. That says something.

"You and others"? What is this crap? This is the first thing I've ever said on this subject. I'm just calling like I see it. I think the Cards are just trying to save face on this whole thing, and realize that if they start Kurt - who has no long-term future with the team - they're just giving up on what they would LIKE to be the face of the franchise. That's all.

 

[D-Dogg]

That made no sense whatsoever. Stop getting all emotional here. Kurt has been the consumate proffessional. There is a big difference between saying that you feel you are the best man for the job and having the stats to prove it and admitting that you were outplayed and still wanting your team to possibly "die with you".

As far as whether Leinart's statements were made in an official interview is erroneous. He still said them, and being as though it wasn't in an actual interview means that he really meant those words.

WHO EFFING CARES?? Jesus H Christ, the garbage that gets slung about towards Leinart is annoying as hell. It was a random comment to a random reporter by a frustrated young QB, not the sign of a "pouty little whiny biioooootch."

Why in the HELL is he so GD polarizing on this board? There is no reason on earth people should feel so strongly for or against the guy. He hasn't had the chance to excel or suck to the level that is being thrown about here.

This stuff is making the board damn close to unreadable.

 

[D-Dogg]

Why Whiz has allowed this to fester and perpetuate is absolutely mind-boggling to me. Quite frankly, I've lost some respect for Whiz in how he's handled this...and it would be alright with me if he and Leinart went elsewhere and Russ Grimm took over.

I just know that Whiz is crying himself to sleep over this revelation and Grimm already has his eye on the rear view mirror for you as well.

Oh, or not.

 

[Stout]

I actually support ESPN on this...they seem to have a better understanding of what it takes to move an offense and win football games than our own head coach.

That is just about the least insightful and most ridiculous point I have read on ASFN over the years.

 

[Stout]

Mitch -- is Whisenhunt ignorant, or stupid? I'm confused.

Or maybe, as a so-far successful head coach in the NFL, he knows more about football than ESPN, Chris "Cowboys" Mortensen, soccer Moms cheering for Warner at camp, the knee-jerk armchair coaches on messageboards, Shane, Danny Boy, Will Rogers, Rooster Cogburn and Rosco P. Coltrane.

?

I think Whis said exactly what needed to be said at exactly the right time. I gained a lot of respect for coach Whisenhunt today. The fans and pundits' opinion should not be reported as fact. The fans are going waaaaay over the edge and Whiz looks like the classiest and smartest person of everyone. That's nice to know, since it's his decision to make & his football club.

I agree with the rest of what you said, but nobody knows more than Rooster Cogburn about anything manly, and football is definitely manly.