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[CardsFan88]

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Mathieu thought he was going to get 11 million per season.

Instead settled for 1 yr 6.5+500k

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[Vacard]

Except for the fact that Bradford took less money to be a Cardinal?

You're just being glass half empty for no reason.

As I said, I put emphasis on the word VALUABLE. I would’ve took Bridgewater and Keenum over Bradford who can’t guarantee me 16 games with a rumored degenerative knee problem. And if the team who offered more is someone like the Jets, being on his back their vs here is a no-brainer.

 

[Shane]

Big deal if they guaranteed the whole contract. The Cards supposedly offered more guaranteed money and a longer term. I can understand Brees but still, the Cards supposedly offered 2 years at 30 mill versus the 2 at 25 he took to stay. $10 mill is a lot of money, I don't care who you are.

Who cares if they offered more guaranteed money cousins and his agent made it very clear that they didn’t want a longer-term contract… They wanted no more than three years so they could hit the market again while he is still at a young age in cash and yet again so your speculation is worthless…

 

[Jetstream Green]

I look at the overall roster under Arians and there to me was to many 'X' factor players who really did not fit a position fully and not enough 'ABC's in our alphabet so to speak. Fringe players because they did not fully fit a position and a lot a developmental picks which it seemed the staff did not even know how they would use them if they develop or rather wanted to imply a position on them. Multiple defensive guys too light to hold a position in a standard formation which accounted for multiple shifts in formations from play to play and speed WRs with only Fitz as bread and butter. We where built really well on offense for the occasional shot down field but not for first downs when attempting to pass the ball, too many gadgets on the knife and no real blade. I will stop now because you get my point and the team is simply sifting through what can have any use

 

[oaken1]

Who cares if they offered more guaranteed money cousins and his agent made it very clear that they didn’t want a longer-term contract… They wanted no more than three years so they could hit the market again while he is still at a young age in cash and yet again so your speculation is worthless…

exactly...and if they tag him, even better. By then the Franchise tag will be $30mil...all guaranteed

 

[oaken1]

I look at the overall roster under Arians and there to me was to many 'X' factor players who really did not fit a position fully and not enough 'ABC's in our alphabet so to speak. Fringe players because they did not fully fit a position and a lot a developmental picks which it seemed the staff did not even know how they would use them if they develop or rather wanted to imply a position on them. Multiple defensive guys too light to hold a position in a standard formation which accounted for multiple shifts in formations from play to play and speed WRs with only Fitz as bread and butter. We where built really well on offense for the occasional shot down field but not for first downs when attempting to pass the ball, too many gadgets on the knife and no real blade. I will stop now because you get my point and the team is simply sifting through what can have any use

I agree. Having a Leatherman in your tool box is nice. But having ten of them does you no good and only limits the number of tools you can keep in the box.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I agree. Having a Leatherman in your tool box is nice. But having ten of them does you no good and only limits the number of tools you can keep in the box.

Exactly

 

[TJ]

What's going on with the Cards organization? Is there a perception out there we don't know about? Or, are the Cards giving out false information.

Mathieu makes 3 players, that we know of, that have taken LESS money to not play for the Cardinals. It was reported, or at least speculated, the Cards offered more guaranteed money and more overall money to Cousins yet he goes to Minny.

It was reported the Cards offered Drew Brees more money than what he ended up getting by going back to NO.

Mathieu was reportedly offered more money and term, although a cut from his Cards current salary, yet takes less to go the Houston.

That's not the norm as players almost exclusively follow the money. For the Cards to be involved in all 3 cases suggests something more is going on. Either the Cards contract offers are structured heavily in their favor, the reported offers were really not offered, or something else is going on but there is definitely a concern when players are not wanting to play for an organization that is offering the most money.

1) Matthieu makes more money with his contract in Texas than the one offered to him in Arizona with how taxes are handled.

2) Brees was never leaving New Orleans.

3. I'm not sure what the structure of our contract offer was to Cousins, but I can tell you it wasn't frontloaded. Also, Minnesota was a game away from the Super Bowl, so I would assume that Kirk felt more comfortable there. That's not a knock on Arizona.


FWIW, Bradford indicated he took less money to play in Arizona.

 

[Gandhi]

As I said, I put emphasis on the word VALUABLE. I would’ve took Bridgewater and Keenum over Bradford who can’t guarantee me 16 games with a rumored degenerative knee problem. And if the team who offered more is someone like the Jets, being on his back their vs here is a no-brainer.

Taking less money in the NFL is never a no-brainer. Never. Hometown discounts, like you wrote about in your original post, is also very rare. With any team.

Also, it is your opinion that Bridgewater and Keenum are better than Bradford. It might not be Keim’s opinion, and thus Solar’s example is obviously valid.

I agree with Solar that you are simply being negative for no reason.

 

[Solar7]

As I said, I put emphasis on the word VALUABLE. I would’ve took Bridgewater and Keenum over Bradford who can’t guarantee me 16 games with a rumored degenerative knee problem. And if the team who offered more is someone like the Jets, being on his back their vs here is a no-brainer.

So you're the one who gets to decide who is valuable, not the organizations actually offering to pay the guy?

It's all well and good that you think other players were better, but clearly three NFL teams didn't feel that way, and Bradford wanted to come here, so it doesn't fit the narrative you were creating. Would you like to point out the litany of team friendly deals that your "valuable" players signed this offseason?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Bet you can't actually support this contention.

Here's proof:

Bradford
Pugh
Smith.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Here's proof:

Bradford
Pugh
Smith.

Bradford says he turned down more $$$ to sign here. Any proof to the contrary?

Pugh's contact is in line with what FA observers believed he'd receive and, again, there are reports he turned down more $$$ from Indy.

Smith is a depth signing and came cheap, so I can't see the premium you suggested Cards have to pay.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bradford says he turned down more $$$ to sign here. Any proof to the contrary?
.

Any proof to Bradford’s statement? Any reports he was offered more?

Taking Bradford’s word as gospel seems a little naive.

 

[Solar7]

Any proof to Bradford’s statement? Any reports he was offered more?

Taking Bradford’s word as gospel seems a little naive.

Since when do teams publicize all of the offers they put out that didn't get accepted?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Since when do teams publicize all of the offers they put out that didn't get accepted?

There’s always rumors about what guys are offered. The fact that there are none for Bradford... or even seemed like there were many reports of teams interested makes me dubious of Bradford’s boast.

 

[Solar7]

There’s always rumors about what guys are offered. The fact that there are none for Bradford... or even seemed like there were many reports of teams interested makes me dubious of Bradford’s boast.

What benefit does he get by lying to reporters? This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy... wild speculation that there has to be some underlying secret that proves that the Cardinals are a bad franchise, for no apparent reason.

 

[Buckybird]

What's going on with the Cards organization? Is there a perception out there we don't know about? Or, are the Cards giving out false information.

Mathieu makes 3 players, that we know of, that have taken LESS money to not play for the Cardinals. It was reported, or at least speculated, the Cards offered more guaranteed money and more overall money to Cousins yet he goes to Minny.

It was reported the Cards offered Drew Brees more money than what he ended up getting by going back to NO.

Mathieu was reportedly offered more money and term, although a cut from his Cards current salary, yet takes less to go the Houston.

That's not the norm as players almost exclusively follow the money. For the Cards to be involved in all 3 cases suggests something more is going on. Either the Cards contract offers are structured heavily in their favor, the reported offers were really not offered, or something else is going on but there is definitely a concern when players are not wanting to play for an organization that is offering the most money.

I think it’s a dumpster fire honestly! Massive holes all over this roster other than Dline. Personally I think it’s a total rebuild regardless of what our new HC said.

And yes Badger took shots thru the media at the Cards organization though some here say they don’t think his comments are true. Bottom line is the reporter reported them though I think some Badgers words are BS, but rumors spread like wildfire

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[AZ Native]

Sounds like he is posturing after refusing to rework his contract and then getting cut.

 

[wa52lz]

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Mathieu thought he was going to get 11 million per season.

Instead settled for 1 yr 6.5+500k

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Don't know what is funnier, HB thinking he'd get $11 or the comments on that tweet from fans wanting their teams to pay him that much

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[wa52lz]

Who cares if they offered more guaranteed money cousins and his agent made it very clear that they didn’t want a longer-term contract… They wanted no more than three years so they could hit the market again while he is still at a young age in cash and yet again so your speculation is worthless…

I don't get the three years to hit the market thinking, if he plays well dosnt MIN just Franchise him for two possibly three years?

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[oaken1]

I don't get the three years to hit the market thinking, if he plays well dosnt MIN just Franchise him for two possibly three years?

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if they were to tag him twice that would make 7 years that cousins worked with guaranteed pay. to the tune of roughly $190mil ... he would love for them to tag him when this contract expires.

Dude is milking the NFL for every dollar he can get. Mercenary.

 

[Shane]

I don't get the three years to hit the market thinking, if he plays well dosnt MIN just Franchise him for two possibly three years?

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That’s fine too in his eyes because the franchise tag at that point will be probably $32 million a year every penny guaranteed

 

[CardsFan88]

I don't get the three years to hit the market thinking, if he plays well dosnt MIN just Franchise him for two possibly three years?

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1. His age three years from now. He'll be 33 at the start of the 2021 season. That's probably around the last year a team might want to sign him to a long term contract. He could still get around a 5 year deal then. If he signed a 5 or 6 year deal now, he'd be 35-36 at the start of his next contract, so less years. Also the pay day would be an extra 2-3 years later and injury and/or ineffectiveness could hit.

2. Some people still think there will be a large increase in salaries . If you look objectively, it points the other way, but some people still want to set it up just in case. 2021 will be the new CBA. It could be a lockout/strike. Could be for less, flat, or more. Either way I get the idea that they'd want to position for that. Don't agree with it. But get it.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I don't get the three years to hit the market thinking, if he plays well dosnt MIN just Franchise him for two possibly three years?

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Believe the contract includes language that doesn't allow the Vikes to transition tag him after three years. By the time Cousins contract is up, both Ryan and Rogers will have negotiated their new deals based on the Cousins contract. The franchise tag designation will have mushroomed into something unbelievable by then.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...sins-historic-contract-with-minnesota-vikings

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...record-contract-quarterbacks-guaranteed-money

The Cousins deal is going to look like the Curt Flood outcome in Major League Baseball. Just as Curt Flood open the gates to FA in baseball, the Cousins deal will blow up the NFL model on how they hand out contracts and in this case, guaranteed money

 

[Gandhi]

What benefit does he get by lying to reporters? This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy... wild speculation that there has to be some underlying secret that proves that the Cardinals are a bad franchise, for no apparent reason.

I really wish more posters would acknowledge this. We all have our favorite players, and we are all dissatisfied from time to time with the players brought in. However, to think that any of us are smarter or have more insight to what is actually happening than the decision makers is just crazy and, in my opinion, delusional. People are complaining simply for the sake of complaining without even a hint of proof of what they are complaining about.

I should add in the context of the discussion that Gambo reported that Sam Bradford took less money to sign with the Cardinals. I don’t know how to copy tweets into posts, but you can read it by clicking here.