Sopranos

[Mulli]

The Godfather references and homages always felt like an inside joke. Art imitating life imitating art imitating life.

True.

 

[abomb]

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20152845,00.html

 

[Mulli]

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20152845,00.html

Okay, David Chase you are the ubergenious. Smarter than anyone.



Crikey, enough of the rightious indignation. That same audience made him a killing.

Rant over. I liked the ending.

 

[Gaddabout]

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20152845,00.html

The way I see it is that Tony Soprano had been people's alter ego. They had gleefully watched him rob, kill, pillage, lie, and cheat. They had cheered him on. And then, all of a sudden, they wanted to see him punished for all that. They wanted ''justice.'' They wanted to see his brains splattered on the wall. I thought that was disgusting, frankly. But these people have always wanted blood. Maybe they would have been happy if Tony had killed twelve other people. Or twenty-five people. Or, who knows, if he had blown up Penn Station. The pathetic thing — to me — was how much they wanted his blood, after cheering him on for eight years.

Maybe I really was inside the head of David Chase ...

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[Mulli]

Upon further review, I take back what I said. I can see how Chase could get annoyed at people sqwauking about the ending.

Gadd, sorry, you lost me at sympatico.

 

[Stout]

Dodie, I hate gangster flicks and I can find no redeeming value in content like The Godfather. Those movies seem to celebrate the mob ethic, which I abhor. I still got drawn into this show. It's different because it's constantly pitting "made" life to the rest of the American culture, especially suburban culture. It attempts to explain a difficult mind set without actually apologizing for it. You don't have to root for anyone necessarily. It's more of a voyeur kind of experience without a recognizable catharsis.

As someone who is so far into this medium, I'm shocked and disappointed in this view. It's quite frankly naive and shortsighted. Sure, many people view the Godfather and see the mob as cool, or edgy, or whatever. Other people look at the value of it as great film, which it undeniably is. You can also look at it from the perspective of presenting a background to the history of Italian-Americans and how it was easy to slip into the mob, especially with Godfather II explaining the backstory. I mean, you can look at it any number of different ways, but to say it has no redeeming value is puerile. For all your high-handed ways of explaining the Sopranos, let's face it: you got into a mob show. The Godfather was one movie (not a whole series) yet it also gave us a view into exactly what you described about the Sopranos; Michael was a real person in the real world, yet he had to deal with the mob and eventually became a part of it. So, if AJ had gone into the mob, would you have chalked the series up as a failure? I know that's simplifying your point, but you're simplifying one masterpiece film into a plain homage to La Cosa Nostra.

 

[abomb]

Watch "The Wire" instead. Thank me later. It is 10x the show Sopranos was.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Watch "The Wire" instead. Thank me later. It is 10x the show Sopranos was.

Your dead!

looking forward to watching The Wire though

 

[abomb]

Lead story on AZCentral.com;

'Sopranos' actor 'Johnny Cakes' dead in suicide

Dec. 25, 2008 12:15 PM
Associated Press

NEW YORK - Police say the actor who portrayed the gay lover of a closeted mobster on “The Sopranos” has died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in New York.

Police spokesman Lt. John Grimpel says John Costelloe was found dead in an apparent suicide at his Brooklyn home on Dec. 18.

Police were called to his residence after family members were unable to reach him.

The 47-year-old former New York City firefighter gained fame in 2006 when he was cast as short-order cook Jim “Johnny Cakes” Witowski opposite Joseph Gannascoli, who played gay mobster Vito Spatafore on the hit HBO show.

Costelloe was performing as a hustler in a theater production of “Gang of Seven” at the time of his death.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Watch "The Wire" instead. Thank me later. It is 10x the show Sopranos was.

I completely agree with this statement

 

[D-Dogg]

I completely agree with this statement

Me too.

 

[Mulli]

Love me some Sopranos, but the Wire is coming from Netflix.