Sound Of Freedom

[jf-08]

Ticket purchase is usually an indicator of attendance or people who have seen it. It determines the popularity of a movie. In this case, if tickets are being bought, the box office numbers are misleading. The narrative is this movie is a smash hit with audiences and people are flocking to this movie because they would rather see it than other blockbusters it allegedly outperformed. People buy tickets and bulk or entitieis and the theaters not being "packed" as the narrative goes it's extremely misleading. Angel Studios though likely doesn't care as long as the movie makes money.

Honestly, who cares? I still don't get the furor over these movie threads. Not everything has to have an angle.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm confused. If tickets are bought...tickets are bought ... whether it be this flick or Captain Marvel.

Ticket purchase is usually an indicator of attendance or people who have seen it. It determines the popularity of a movie. In this case, if tickets are being bought, the box office numbers are misleading. The narrative is this movie is a smash hit with audiences and people are flocking to this movie because they would rather see it than other blockbusters it allegedly outperformed. People buy tickets and bulk or entities and the theaters not being "packed" as the narrative goes it's extremely misleading. Angel Studios though likely doesn't care as long as the movie makes money. If they can get Churches or rich QAnon people to buy up tickets like morons it's a win win for them.

I will say it again. This isn't just about he movie itself. It's the people around the movie pushing a narrative about the movie and all the QAnon garbage that goes with it.

 

[Covert Rain]

Honestly, who cares? I still don't get the furor over these movie threads. Not everything has to have an angle.

It's a big deal to the people that are impacted by the QAnon garbage. It legitimizes or gives a voice and you can see with all the press around this movie by the makers and the lead. That's dangerous in itself. I wish this movie didn't come with all the baggage. I really do. I have said repeatedly why can't they just let this things stand on it's own merit?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

It's a big deal to the people that are impacted by the QAnon garbage. It legitimizes or gives a voice and you can see with all the press around this movie by the makers and the lead. That's dangerous in itself. I wish this movie didn't come with all the baggage. I really do. I have said repeatedly why can't they just let this things stand on it's own merit?

We went to the theaters, saw the film, and moved on with our lives. Never heard anything at all about QAnon before people started coming into this thread trying to tie this movie into it. The movie itself still has zero to do with QAnon. Period.

 

[Chaplin]

Honestly, who cares? I still don't get the furor over these movie threads. Not everything has to have an angle.

Except on this one there is. Not sure why you refuse to understand that.

 

[Covert Rain]

We went to the theaters, saw the film, and moved on with our lives. Never heard anything at all about QAnon before people started coming into this thread trying to tie this movie into it. The movie itself still has zero to do with QAnon. Period.

Then you don't pay attention to the press, interviews and statement of those involved. That's cool if you don't but many do. Also, who do you think that studio caters to? So to say it has nothing to do with that crowd simply isn't true. They know exactly who their audience is.

 

[jf-08]

Except on this one there is. Not sure why you refuse to understand that.

Either choose to watch a movie or don't. Either like the movie or don't. If you don't like races/genders mixed up in a movie and don't want to see it , then don't. If you think a movie have conspiracy theories and you don't like it, then don't see it.

What I don't agree with is people complaining about a movie that they don't see based on 100% of perceptions. Why can't you see that? It's just trolling IMO.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Then you don't pay attention to the press, interviews and statement of those involved. That's cool if you don't but many do.

The star of the film can say whatever he wants but the film itself is a finished product which never mentions any of the crazy that the actor believes in. Again, this movie was completed over 5 years ago before most of this QAnon nonsense was even out there. There are plenty of actors and actresses who are really odd in real life but that doesn't ruin good films they are in, IMHO. I am able to separate an actor, their role, their beliefs, and their real life. Maybe you and others cannot.

 

[Covert Rain]

Either choose to watch a movie or don't. Either like the movie or don't. If you don't like races/genders mixed up in a movie and don't want to see it , then don't. If you think a movie have conspiracy theories and you don't like it, then don't see it.

What I don't agree with is people complaining about a movie that they don't see based on 100% of perceptions. Why can't you see that? It's just trolling IMO.

Have you seen the press junkets or interviews? That is not perception. Also, I have made zero judgement about the film content. Just the baggage around it. That is not even close to trolling.

 

[Covert Rain]

The star of the film can say whatever he wants but the film itself is a finished product which never mentions any of the crazy that the actor believes in. Again, this movie was completed over 5 years ago before most of this QAnon nonsense was even out there. There are plenty of actors and actresses out there who are really odd in real life but that doesn't ruin good films they are in, IMHO. I am able to separate an actor, their role, their beliefs, and their real life. Maybe you and others cannot.

Except I don't see other examples of those actors pushing garbage as part of a press tour for those films. There are a ton of actors who I don't support stuff in their personal life. They are out promoting the film along with that stuff. That's the difference.

 

[Chaplin]

Either choose to watch a movie or don't. Either like the movie or don't. If you don't like races/genders mixed up in a movie and don't want to see it , then don't. If you think a movie have conspiracy theories and you don't like it, then don't see it.

What I don't agree with is people complaining about a movie that they don't see based on 100% of perceptions. Why can't you see that? It's just trolling IMO.

That's quite an accusation.

We aren't seeing it, but you can see there is a back and forth here, right? BIM is a huge supporter of it and we have been noticing a lot of bad press over this film, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY WELL MADE OR NOT.

The topic is NOT whether Sound of Freedom is a well-made movie, it's about it's subject matter and how it is being positioned in the cultural zeitgeist. If you don't want to participate in the conversation, then don't. But don't lecture us on it.

 

[jf-08]

Have you seen the press junkets or interviews? That is not perception. Also, I have made zero judgement about the film content. Just the baggage around it. That is not even close to trolling.

I have not seen the interviews, etc. The only info that I know about this film is from this thread. I have no desire to see this film either. Question, why are you watching them then?

 

[Covert Rain]

I have not seen the interviews, etc. The only info that I know about this film is from this thread. I have no desire to see this film either. Question, why are you watching them then?

I was initially interested when I heard about it. Just like any movie I do watch the trailers and interviews, making of snippets for every film I am interested in. This movie is no different. I didn't do anything different for this movie then any other movie I see. I watch the related content.

 

[jf-08]

I was initially interested when I heard about it. Just like any movie I do watch the trailers and interviews, making of snippets for every film I am interested in. This movie is no different.

Fair enough.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Except I don't see other examples of those actors pushing garbage as part of a press tour for the film to the extreme of this one. Big difference.

The only example I have seen is Caviezel talking on a political show (with Bannon, I think) about the conspiracies that he believes in and how they tie into the subject matter. Was he on Good Morning America or other popular shows spouting off conspiracy theories not related to the film as well? He has said publicly that the film does not touch on anything QAnon, etc. So has Ballard.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I was initially interested when I heard about it. Just like any movie I do watch the trailers and interviews, making of snippets for every film I am interested in. This movie is no different. I didn't do anything different for this movie then any other movie I see. I watch the related content.

We avoid seeing too much of anything before seeing a movie. Trailers have gotten so bad that they'll reveal key plot elements or flat out show you the entire film. Miss the days when an actor could have a cameo, and no one knew about it or saw it coming. One thing that definitely hasn't improved movies, IMHO.

Even when I am posting movie threads, I try not to watch the trailers.

Also - most films don't have huge press junkets like this one unless it is Tom Cruise hyping up the stunts he did in his most recent film, etc. Most just have trailers and reviews.

 

[Covert Rain]

Fair enough.

I have said it above but I will likely watch this when it comes to streaming for free out of curiousity. I just don't want to legtimize the garbage and the studio attached to the film. They know what they are doing IMO. They know their audience and they are catering to them.

 

[Covert Rain]

We avoid seeing too much of anything before seeing a movie. Trailers have gotten so bad that they'll reveal key plot elements or flat out show you the entire film. Miss the days when an actor could have a cameo, and no one knew about it or saw it coming. One thing that definitely hasn't improved movies, IMHO.

That's fair. I can't help myself most of the time and watch everything. The only time I skip all the extra stuff is when someone gives a spoiler alert type warning. Then I stay far away. The other times is if an early trailer gives too much away. Then I might skip the final trailer since those are close to the release but that's rare.

 

[jf-08]

That's quite an accusation.

We aren't seeing it, but you can see there is a back and forth here, right? BIM is a huge supporter of it and we have been noticing a lot of bad press over this film, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY WELL MADE OR NOT.

The topic is NOT whether Sound of Freedom is a well-made movie, it's about it's subject matter and how it is being positioned in the cultural zeitgeist. If you don't want to participate in the conversation, then don't. But don't lecture us on it.

I gather this film deals with children being abducted and trafficked is the subject matter. Are you saying this doesn't happen?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I have said it above but I will likely watch this when it comes to streaming for free out of curiousity. I just don't want to legtimize the garbage and the studio attached to the film. They know what they are doing IMO. They know their audience and they are catering to them.

I hope when you do take the time to watch it you shut out all of the garbage you're hearing and really give it a chance. It is a well-made film by a Mexican writer/director. It was intended to be watched in a theater without distractions. Some really good performances in the film despite the gritty subject matter (and I am not even talking about Caviezel). Bill Camp, the child actors, etc. are all top notch in this.

 

[Chaplin]

I gather this film deals with children being abducted and trafficked is the subject matter. Are you saying this doesn't happen?

Huh? That's what you got from my post? Again, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUALITY OR CONTENT OF THE MOVIE. Only how it is positioned and what it is being used for.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Question, why are you watching them then?

Joel - because this film is pure Q-Anon propaganda - the whole idea of it is to give legitimacy to a group of people with very ridiculous and dangerous ideas.

The "protect the kids" is a trojan horse - to approach this film and these producers as content neutral is incredibly dangerous.

If you're truly interested in learning more about this phenomenon, I'd encourage you to read this article, which explains why these moral panics are often cover for something much worse:

The Great (Fake) Child-Sex-Trafficking Epidemic

Dispatches from a moral panic

www.theatlantic.com

Do you really need to see the videos of all the prominent people involved selling crazy lies to approach this with appropriate skepticism?

 

[Yuma]

One thing I see from all the arguing, BIM has seen the movie. BIM says it's a good movie and did not notice anything in the movie being espoused by parties later on about the movie, or their own beliefs. So my observation, is if you make a movie to represent something other than what the movie is supposed to be about, but no one actually sees that subtext, haven't you failed at spreading that subtext? If I made a movie about guys playing marbles, but it was really about Qanon, but anyone that actually saw the movie didn't understand it was about Qanon, hasn't the movie failed at the goal I tried to do? This movie sounds like it is more of a Qanaon failure, then something that really spreads the Qanon message.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

This movie sounds like it is more of a Qanaon failure, then something that really spreads the Qanon message.

No way. This fringe group of lunatics are trying to gain mainstream appeal - the fact we're even talking about this is a huge victory for them.

 

[puckhead]

I hope when you do take the time to watch it you shut out all of the garbage you're hearing and really give it a chance. It is a well-made film by a Mexican writer/director. It was intended to be watched in a theater without distractions. Some really good performances in the film despite the gritty subject matter (and I am not even talking about Caviezel). Bill Camp, the child actors, etc. are all top notch in this.

Someone should tell that to the movie's representatives on the press junkets!