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No way. This fringe group of lunatics are trying to gain mainstream appeal - the fact we're even talking about this is a huge victory for them.

For lunatics, their strategy appears to be working spectacularly. Were the movie to stand on its own, we likely would be on to the next thing, but the outrage either way keeps the thing in the headlines and ultimately provides a bigger audience. In my view, the trap was set and the opposition can't help but dive into the middle of said trap.

Example: see the attention to Oppenheimer in its thread compared to this.
 

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For lunatics, their strategy appears to be working spectacularly. Were the movie to stand on its own, we likely would be on to the next thing, but the outrage either way keeps the thing in the headlines and ultimately provides a bigger audience. In my view, the trap was set and the opposition can't help but dive into the middle of said trap.
Kind of like the Taliban and 9/11. The loonies can have effective strategy!
 

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Kind of like the Taliban and 9/11. The loonies can have effective strategy!

Apologies for the digression here, but I'll leave it at this.

Take an example like Fox news. Popular with the right, loathed by the left. If everyone who hated Fox didn't watch, their ratings would dive. But the haters can't quit watching. They have convinced themselves that they must watch to see what they're up to and spread the word far and wide. Now every story that's true, false, or in-between, is getting twice as much play on every interactive media channel. All that viral activity boosts ratings which ultimately means more money and influence for Fox news with an even greater reach than it could ever achieve by itself and for no extra investment on their part. Apply this model to anything that people hate but can't stop raging about.

One could probably even turn that into a political brand without even realizing it. Of course, that would probably never happen in our lifetimes...
 

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I'm confused. If tickets are bought...tickets are bought ... whether it be this flick or Captain Marvel.
From a monetary point, you’re right. From a viewership point, apparently not even close. And if we are measuring “success” of a movie based on popularity by box office, it becomes a hollow benchmark if they’re these bulk purchases. All that tells us is there’s a plan, not actual popularity if the film.
 

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Have you seen the press junkets or interviews? That is not perception. Also, I have made zero judgement about the film content. Just the baggage around it. That is not even close to trolling.
Agreed. It might be a fantastic movie, but the baggage associated with it creates the conversation. That’s entirely different than someone ranting about a brown person playing a traditionally white animated role.
 

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I gather this film deals with children being abducted and trafficked is the subject matter. Are you saying this doesn't happen?
Where in his post did chap even infer what you just asked?

I can’t figure out if you’re now trolling or you really don’t understand the connection between this film and the central themes of Qanon.
 

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One thing I see from all the arguing, BIM has seen the movie. BIM says it's a good movie and did not notice anything in the movie being espoused by parties later on about the movie, or their own beliefs. So my observation, is if you make a movie to represent something other than what the movie is supposed to be about, but no one actually sees that subtext, haven't you failed at spreading that subtext? If I made a movie about guys playing marbles, but it was really about Qanon, but anyone that actually saw the movie didn't understand it was about Qanon, hasn't the movie failed at the goal I tried to do? This movie sounds like it is more of a Qanaon failure, then something that really spreads the Qanon message.
I don’t think you understand Qanon’s modus operandi
 

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Apologies for the digression here, but I'll leave it at this.

Take an example like Fox news. Popular with the right, loathed by the left. If everyone who hated Fox didn't watch, their ratings would dive. But the haters can't quit watching. They have convinced themselves that they must watch to see what they're up to and spread the word far and wide. Now every story that's true, false, or in-between, is getting twice as much play on every interactive media channel. All that viral activity boosts ratings which ultimately means more money and influence for Fox news with an even greater reach than it could ever achieve by itself and for no extra investment on their part. Apply this model to anything that people hate but can't stop raging about.

One could probably even turn that into a political brand without even realizing it. Of course, that would probably never happen in our lifetimes...
Is this true? I can’t stand Fox due to the bits and pieces of it that I see posted here. The only time I watch Fox is on election night as a juxtaposition to everything else. And for sports. That’s it. Do people really “hate watch” Fox?
 

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Apologies for the digression here, but I'll leave it at this.

Take an example like Fox news. Popular with the right, loathed by the left. If everyone who hated Fox didn't watch, their ratings would dive. But the haters can't quit watching. They have convinced themselves that they must watch to see what they're up to and spread the word far and wide. Now every story that's true, false, or in-between, is getting twice as much play on every interactive media channel. All that viral activity boosts ratings which ultimately means more money and influence for Fox news with an even greater reach than it could ever achieve by itself and for no extra investment on their part. Apply this model to anything that people hate but can't stop raging about.

One could probably even turn that into a political brand without even realizing it. Of course, that would probably never happen in our lifetimes...
I gave a talk one time on the Ongoing Zombie Apocalypse. It was a lunch presentation for a political group. So there was much interest in the title. People were curious why they didn't see the Zombies, etc. So my point in a nutshell, pun intended, was everyday 50% of our population watched a virus news organization that programmed people's minds so they were effectively walking around like zombies. They looked at life, parroted information, and lived as the parasitic news service told them to do. Many heads nodded. People assumed that I was talking about the "other side." And I was. Then I said, "imagine if you will, I could make the same speech to who your are imagining, and it would be true for them, too." I got comments after a long pause to what I meant by that. I said, "How many of you watch network X, or Network Y?" Almost every hand in the room went up. I then asked, "Do you agree mostly with what you see?" Show off hands, almost all again. "Would you agree you see life in the views and terms used by these networks, be honest?" Everyone started laughing at that point. We all see the OTHER side as bad. It's often funny to point out at the base level how similar we are even if ideology is different.

I ask people all the time why they are Republicans or Democrats. Most say, they grew up that way. So you were zombified early on! Others say things like, "I like how Republicans stand for Family Values." Then I ask if Democrats do, and usually I get, well Republicans do it MORE than Democrats. I usually get ideals that are noble from Republicans, like people should not depend on government to get by. Everyone should try and be self sufficient, etc. These are things all of us would agree on. I ask Democrats the same things. Usually they distinguish themselves by saying they want a social safety net for those who can't manage without help. They want government to provide that. It's a noble goal to want to care for your fellow man. Even Republicans I know don't want people to starve to death, etc.

My point is, we aren't that far off on goals, just the way those goals are solved. Whenever you have a community, from the smallest size ever of two people, to huge communities like Maricopa County, people have different views on how that should happen, and what resources to use to in living in those communities.

Long winded way of saying Qanaon based individuals have their viewpoint, no matter what we think of it. We have our viewpoints on their viewpoints according to this thread. They think about us differently, too. At the end of the day, we all are in this community. Our board is its own small community that passionately argues these points, I am assuming for fun. We are more alike than different. Mods try and keep us playing as gentlemen and ladies. Don't try and see each other in extremes on this board, because at the end of the day, we are probably more alike than different. Let's argue philosophies and subjects. Not who is better or worse than us!
 

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Where in his post did chap even infer what you just asked?

I can’t figure out if you’re now trolling or you really don’t understand the connection between this film and the central themes of Qanon.
He posted this:

The topic is NOT whether Sound of Freedom is a well-made movie, it's about it's subject matter and how it is being positioned in the cultural zeitgeist.

So I was questioning whether or not the movie was about this and if so is he questioning it. And like I said, I only know about this film from this thread, so I'm not familiar with QAnon ties, and no one has really talked about the stuff they are spouting, so I'm pretty lost.
 

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He posted this:

The topic is NOT whether Sound of Freedom is a well-made movie, it's about it's subject matter and how it is being positioned in the cultural zeitgeist.

So I was questioning whether or not the movie was about this and if so is he questioning it. And like I said, I only know about this film from this thread, so I'm not familiar with QAnon ties, and no one has really talked about the stuff they are spouting, so I'm pretty lost.
It’s more about how the subject matter is being used by Qanon. It’s tough to explain without going fully down the Qanon rabbithole if you don’t the origins of Qanon and their use of “protect the children” for nefarious goals.
 

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It’s more about how the subject matter is being used by Qanon. It’s tough to explain without going fully down the Qanon rabbithole if you don’t the origins of Qanon and their use of “protect the children” for nefarious goals.
Are there enough of these people to be concerned? I pretty much see our society rolling along the same way. I am not seeing high level take over of our country by Qanon, but I am not a Qanon follower either.
 

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Is this true? I can’t stand Fox due to the bits and pieces of it that I see posted here. The only time I watch Fox is on election night as a juxtaposition to everything else. And for sports. That’s it. Do people really “hate watch” Fox?

Ha! I see more of Fox here than anywhere else, because I never tune it in. Plus, if one can still trust Nielson, then yes. And not all are hate-watching either. Here's an article from last year that talks about it: https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...s-entertainment-conservative-liberal-00004843

But, an easy way to measure is all the reporting you see on the "other side" channels about Fox, the late-night comedy routines, YouTube videos up the wazoo, etc., you get my drift.
 

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Is this true? I can’t stand Fox due to the bits and pieces of it that I see posted here. The only time I watch Fox is on election night as a juxtaposition to everything else. And for sports. That’s it. Do people really “hate watch” Fox?
oh, definitely. It's like that scene in the Howard Stern movie back in the day. People who love Howard listen for 1-2 hours a day. Most common reason given: To hear what he says next. Then, they explained that people who HATE Stern listened 2-3 hours a day. Most common reason given: To hear what he says next.
 

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oh, definitely. It's like that scene in the Howard Stern movie back in the day. People who love Howard listen for 1-2 hours a day. Most common reason given: To hear what he says next. Then, they explained that people who HATE Stern listened 2-3 hours a day. Most common reason given: To hear what he says next.
I worked with a coworker who loved HS and listened to him for the 2-3 hours a day. I listened to a few broadcasts and I guess I didn't get it. So I read books, or did other things during that time frame.
 

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I worked with a coworker who loved HS and listened to him for the 2-3 hours a day. I listened to a few broadcasts and I guess I didn't get it. So I read books, or did other things during that time frame.
I never got Stern either. I think I listened to him for a year or two in my 20s, but very quickly got bored.
 

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I worked with a coworker who loved HS and listened to him for the 2-3 hours a day. I listened to a few broadcasts and I guess I didn't get it. So I read books, or did other things during that time frame.
I had as much of a raunchy sense of humor as anyone, but never got into Stern either.
 

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Yeah… there is something all kinds of weird going on with this “hit”. Saw this Tiktok where someone proved a sold out show of Sound Of Freedom literally didn’t have a single soul inside four prior to start time.


So, out of curiosity, I looked at the Grove’s showings for tonight at 7/10… both shows, TOTALLY sold out. On a Wednesday night… in the bluest of bluest parts of the bluest state in the nation. And I’m guessing if I actually followed the lead of the TikTok above, I’d find the exact same thing.

The backers of this movie are conspiracy theory crazies. It makes sense that they’d engage in a conspiracy to fluff their numbers so the movie gets major attention (which it’s getting) and pushes the media tour where the POS faces of the movie can use all the Platforms offered to spread their filth (which is also happening).
 
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Yeah… there is something all kinds of weird going on with this “hit”. Saw this Tiktok where someone proved a sold out show of Sound Of Freedom literally didn’t have a single soul inside four prior to start time.


So, out of curiosity, I looked at the Grove’s showings for tonight at 7/10… both shows, TOTALLY sold out. On a Wednesday night… in the bluest of bluest parts of the bluest state in the nation. And I’m guessing if I actually followed the lead of the TikTok above, I’d find the exact same thing.

The backers of this movie are conspiracy theory crazies. It makes sense that they’d engage in a conspiracy to fluff their numbers so the movie gets major attention (which it’s getting) and pushes the media tour where the POS faces of the movie can use all the Platforms offered to spread their filth (which is also happening).
She didn't prove anything. She says she is in a theater which is supposed to be showing Sound of Freedom in 4 minutes, but she doesn't show the sign outside the theater saying which film is playing or a time on her watch or anything. Could be any theater, any film. She could have gotten someone from the theater on video confirming her allegation. She is already clearly biased because she keeps calling it that QAnon movie, etc.

I put as much weight into her video as those on the other side claiming theaters are sabotaging screenings by keeping the lights on, not having AC in just the theaters showing Sound of Freedom, etc.
 

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She didn't prove anything. She says she is in a theater which is supposed to be showing Sound of Freedom in 4 minutes, but she doesn't show the sign outside the theater saying which film is playing or a time on her watch or anything. Could be any theater, any film. She could have gotten someone from the theater on video confirming her allegation. She is already clearly biased because she keeps calling it that QAnon movie, etc.

I put as much weight into her video as those on the other side claiming theaters are sabotaging screenings by keeping the lights on, not having AC in just the theaters showing Sound of Freedom, etc.
That's some high level conspiracy stuff there Brian.
 

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She didn't prove anything. She says she is in a theater which is supposed to be showing Sound of Freedom in 4 minutes, but she doesn't show the sign outside the theater saying which film is playing or a time on her watch or anything. Could be any theater, any film. She could have gotten someone from the theater on video confirming her allegation. She is already clearly biased because she keeps calling it that QAnon movie, etc.

I put as much weight into her video as those on the other side claiming theaters are sabotaging screenings by keeping the lights on, not having AC in just the theaters showing Sound of Freedom, etc.
Are you saying that I’m a liar for looking up two showings for 7 pm and 10 PM completely sold out for tonight?

Do you really believe that at the Grove, in the heart of the bluest city in the country outside San Francisco, that there are TWO sold out showings for this movie?

And the movie is being used to further Q-Anon. Anyone pretending otherwise is beyond arguing in bad faith at this point.
 

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She didn't prove anything. She says she is in a theater which is supposed to be showing Sound of Freedom in 4 minutes, but she doesn't show the sign outside the theater saying which film is playing or a time on her watch or anything. Could be any theater, any film. She could have gotten someone from the theater on video confirming her allegation. She is already clearly biased because she keeps calling it that QAnon movie, etc.

I put as much weight into her video as those on the other side claiming theaters are sabotaging screenings by keeping the lights on, not having AC in just the theaters showing Sound of Freedom, etc.
I gotta agree she really didn’t prove anything. Lol just showing an empty theater and saying it’s supposed to be SOF isnt proof….
 

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That's some high level conspiracy stuff there Brian.
Banon? :lol: Just kidding BIM. I think the way BIM does because I was way into magic as a kid, and mystery novels. It's all about misdirection. You never trust in either of those. They can misdirect. Same with media, internet, etc. I too am skeptical sometimes when someone is showing me something like that.
 

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I gotta agree she really didn’t prove anything. Lol just showing an empty theater and saying it’s supposed to be SOF isnt proof….
And I’m not saying it couldn’t be happening. It sure as hell could and that COULD BE legit. I put nothing past anyone nowadays. But claiming that as proof is a stretch at best.
 
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And I’m not saying it couldn’t be happening. It sure as hell could and that COULD BE legit. I put nothing past anyone nowadays. But claiming that as proof is a stretch at best.
Send a freaking news crew or even just a reporter to a screening to see if there are people in the seats or not. Or go yourself (cheese or someone else, not you Shane) and take a peek.
 

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