Sour Grapes - Law Firm sues Cardinals

[Cbus cardsfan]

maybe i should sue Ohio State. My family has been getting season b-ball tickets for 28 years. This year, with the arrival of Greg Oden and co., their was higher demand and they moved me from row 1 of the upper deck to the next to last row of the upper deck(i get a good view of the bannners hanging up there ). I called and bitched and bitched and bitched som more but it did me no good.They offered a refund but then my name goes off the list for season tickets. Nice. The good thing though is my wife gets me floor seats and into the luxury suite for alot of games. But the point is, when it comes to tickets, the people running the show don't really care about fan loyalty.

 

[Scott MS]

the other million+ attorneys in the world thank you for including us all in this overgeneralization.

You're welcome.

 

[Brighteyes]

Well that's part of their complaint. That they had season tickets lower level between the 20's for 12 years at SDS and when it came time to buy tix in the new stadium all they were offered were upper level seats.

Now that in itself seems bogus to me because there are people on this board who had seats for a shorter time who were able to purchase good lower level seats.

Besides if they're such a big shot law firm they should have club level seats. I'm just a poor self employed Cardinal fanatic from Austin and I was able to get a great club level seat using 2004 priority.

I don't know how that could be. We got our seats in 1997, 4 years later, and we have seats lower level at about the 35 yard line. We chose on the visiting team side to get closer to the 50, but we could have sat about the 26 on the home team side.

They're either crazy, or had 20 tickets all in a row. Or perhaps both.

 

[40yearfan]

I don't know how that could be. We got our seats in 1997, 4 years later, and we have seats lower level at about the 35 yard line. We chose on the visiting team side to get closer to the 50, but we could have sat about the 26 on the home team side.

They're either crazy, or had 20 tickets all in a row. Or perhaps both.

Maybe they didn't get their ticket request in on time and others managed to get there before they could pick their seats.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't know how that could be. We got our seats in 1997, 4 years later, and we have seats lower level at about the 35 yard line. We chose on the visiting team side to get closer to the 50, but we could have sat about the 26 on the home team side.
They're either crazy, or had 20 tickets all in a row. Or perhaps both.

This is something I didn't understand about the process. The Cards only had 17500 season tickets sold in 2003 yet people like yourself couldn't get prime seats on the home side. I guess that there were a lot fewer seats between the 30s at the new digs.

I know that I couldn't get seats in the Frat House similar to those we had at SDS. Wanted to sit by Jstadvl like before but those seats were long gone by the time I selected. But knowing the dvl he probably paid off the Cardinals to make sure I couldn't sit by him.

 

[blindseyed]

I just sued myself for watching the Cardinals games sober....I lost.

 

[lobo]

Attorneys are dumb.

shakespeare was right.....just remember everyone what law firms do as do most other professional firms...they take their overhead...like season tickets to all the events and "bury" it into a percentage that gets charged back to slobs like us who might need them...so the next time you deal with a law firm remember to keep track of your time very carefully and precisely 'cause the minute he/she says hello that is a 15 minute charge...the time they are spending to sue the cardinals is going right into that pot and more likely than not "EVERYONE" is getting a chance to pay for it.....this information is for entertainment purposes only

 

[Mulli]

shakespeare was right.....just remember everyone what law firms do as do most other professional firms...they take their overhead...like season tickets to all the events and "bury" it into a percentage that gets charged back to slobs like us who might need them...so the next time you deal with a law firm remember to keep track of your time very carefully and precisely 'cause the minute he/she says hello that is a 15 minute charge...the time they are spending to sue the cardinals is going right into that pot and more likely than not "EVERYONE" is getting a chance to pay for it.....this information is for entertainment purposes only

The character that said kill all the lawyers was a crazy nonentity.

 

[lobo]

The character that said kill all the lawyers was a crazy nonentity.

like i said shakespeare was right.

 

[Mulli]

like i said shakespeare was right.

phoeey!

 

[Gambit]

shakespeare was right.....just remember everyone what law firms do as do most other professional firms...they take their overhead...like season tickets to all the events and "bury" it into a percentage that gets charged back to slobs like us who might need them...so the next time you deal with a law firm remember to keep track of your time very carefully and precisely 'cause the minute he/she says hello that is a 15 minute charge...the time they are spending to sue the cardinals is going right into that pot and more likely than not "EVERYONE" is getting a chance to pay for it.....this information is for entertainment purposes only

But if you are an attorney at a big firm or you know them, you can get some sweet seats for free! Don't ask me how I know. Let's just say that my small law office has had many an important "meeting" with big firms at Astros and Texans games.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

shakespeare was right.....just remember everyone what law firms do as do most other professional firms...they take their overhead...like season tickets to all the events and "bury" it into a percentage that gets charged back to slobs like us who might need them...so the next time you deal with a law firm remember to keep track of your time very carefully and precisely 'cause the minute he/she says hello that is a 15 minute charge...the time they are spending to sue the cardinals is going right into that pot and more likely than not "EVERYONE" is getting a chance to pay for it.....this information is for entertainment purposes only

i have no idea what point you're trying to make here. are you saying that any fees being incurred by the law firm in suing the cards are being passed along to their clients? that doesn't make a lot of sense.

most law firms will provide you with an itemized invoice for time spent, broken down by day, time, and subject matter. they then do charge a percentage for miscellaneous materials (paper, copying, etc.) that covers their overhead. the large firm i used to work at when i was still practicing in phx actually kept track of the copies being made and charged the client directly for years, but it became inefficient and impracticable and thus changed to the percentage billing (though i believe the percentage had a dollar cap).

regardless, every business attempts to recoup overhead costs. if they sell a product it's built into the sale price. why should it be any different for a law firm or any other professional services organization?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But if you are an attorney at a big firm or you know them, you can get some sweet seats for free! Don't ask me how I know. Let's just say that my small law office has had many an important "meeting" with big firms at Astros and Texans games.

very true. my firm had a box at AWA. it was great. took clients and referrals to suns and coyotes games. took 'em to concerts too. funny to see the CEO of a large national corp rockin' out to KISS, AC/DC, or getting contact highs at the Up In Smoke (Snoop Dog) concerts . . .

 

[lobo]

regardless, every business attempts to recoup overhead costs. if they sell a product it's built into the sale price. why should it be any different for a law firm or any other professional services organization?[/quote]

no doubt about it....ask them what the overhead rate they put into their hourly rate and see if they tell you or tell you what is in the overhead...that is my last word on this subject....the whole subject of their suing the cardinals was not worth commenting on and i am sorry i wasted my time.

 

[lobo]

regardless, every business attempts to recoup overhead costs. if they sell a product it's built into the sale price. why should it be any different for a law firm or any other professional services organization?[/quote]


i thought was not going to comment on it again but do you think that "non-chargable hours" will be completly absorbed by a firm or allocated back to paying clients...i am sure you have an idea what the firm you were with did with those hours and maybe they ate them...but i doubt it....THIS TIME no more from me on the subject..my point is yes, by the way, the costs incurred to sue the cardinals is being allocated over their client base....of course that is opinion only.

 

[Mulli]

"heard" you the first time.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

regardless, every business attempts to recoup overhead costs. if they sell a product it's built into the sale price. why should it be any different for a law firm or any other professional services organization?

i thought was not going to comment on it again but do you think that "non-chargable hours" will be completly absorbed by a firm or allocated back to paying clients...i am sure you have an idea what the firm you were with did with those hours and maybe they ate them...but i doubt it....THIS TIME no more from me on the subject..my point is yes, by the way, the costs incurred to sue the cardinals is being allocated over their client base....of course that is opinion only.[/QUOTE]

i know i'm going to get a lot of rolling eyes on this one but . . .

if they are ethical attorneys they will eat those costs or allocate them to "goodwill" (a portion of which can be tax write-offs - remember, the tickets themselves are partially write-offable-yes i made that word up-so it's possible they can formulate an argument that the law suit falls into that expense category also).

what you are talking about is called "padding" and it is illegal. do some attorneys do it? of course. but i'll bet you can find an equal percentage of people in other industries breaking the law also. and when an attorney's padding is discovered they are disbarred and usually jailed. padding is not very prevalent. at least, not in the more reputable firms. too many of you have seen too many movies like "the firm" and believe that all attorneys are out to take your money. what no one realizes is that without litigious individuals who are trying to take each others' money there would be a lot less attorneys in the world.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

i know i'm going to get a lot of rolling eyes on this one but . . .

if they are ethical attorneys they will eat those costs or allocate them to "goodwill" (a portion of which can be tax write-offs - remember, the tickets themselves are partially write-offable-yes i made that word up-so it's possible they can formulate an argument that the law suit falls into that expense category also).

what you are talking about is called "padding" and it is illegal. do some attorneys do it? of course. but i'll bet you can find an equal percentage of people in other industries breaking the law also. and when an attorney's padding is discovered they are disbarred and usually jailed. padding is not very prevalent. at least, not in the more reputable firms. too many of you have seen too many movies like "the firm" and believe that all attorneys are out to take your money. what no one realizes is that without litigious individuals who are trying to take each others' money there would be a lot less attorneys in the world.

I'd listen to Ouchie...he was pre-law!

 

[Mulli]

I'd listen to Ouchie...he was pre-law!

3/5

 

[lobo]

3/5

why don't you go sharpen your snow shovel...your going to have a busy night and morning...we are going to miss it....enjoy

 

[Hollywood]

i know i'm going to get a lot of rolling eyes on this one but . . .

if they are ethical attorneys....

Sorry man. I couldn't stop laughing after this.

 

[Mulli]

why don't you go sharpen your snow shovel...your going to have a busy night and morning...we are going to miss it....enjoy

Living in a third floor walkup, I don't have to shovel snow. Just brushed off the car and drove to the Loop to work.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'd listen to Ouchie...he was pre-law!

maybe it's the tax attorney side of me, but i don't get this one. i've been practicing for 12 years and i'm a member of three bar associations.

and pre-law is neither a real major nor even a study concentration.

 

[Mulli]

maybe it's the tax attorney side of me, but i don't get this one. i've been practicing for 12 years and i'm a member of three bar associations.

and pre-law is neither a real major nor even a study concentration.

Animal House.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Animal House.

damnit! how the hell did i miss THAT one?!?