Sources: Nowitzki to opt out of contract

[az1965]

I don't think dirk wants to be the guy that leaves dallas so he can play with another team at the end of his career. that's what he himself has always said, so unless cuban decides to trade him or let him walk, i don't see him leaving.

Why not? It worked great for Kevin Garnett...

I just don't think Mavs are that close that one or two moves will do it.

 

[Dr. Jones]

All of this is assuming Amare is gone......

1. He will work the pick and roll with Nash. A bit like the Channing P&R with better post up.
2. He will be a better replacement for Channing who is COMPLETELY gone.
3. It will give Robin some time to shine.
4. It opens up playing time for Earl Next year.
5. I bet he will sign a less than max contract to get back with Steve.
6. It keeps us competitive for the next few years.

 

[az1965]

All of this is assuming Amare is gone......

1. He will work the pick and roll with Nash. A bit like the Channing P&R with better post up.
2. He will be a better replacement for Channing who is COMPLETELY gone.
3. It will give Robin some time to shine.
4. It opens up playing time for Earl Next year.
5. I bet he will sign a less than max contract to get back with Steve.
6. It keeps us competitive for the next few years.

Now that would be something interesting... Amare's already playing like a small forward ... knowwhati'msaying

 

[Lorenzo]

Why not? It worked great for Kevin Garnett...

I just don't think Mavs are that close that one or two moves will do it.

maybe not. it depends on the move though. Paul Pierce would say one or two moves can do it. kobe would say one or two moves can as well. You have to make the right moves to make it happen. Of corse on the flip side the wrong moves can take you down just as quick. The mavs have seen some of their moves make them stronger and some make them weaker. only time will tell what happens now.

Dirk could opt for what garnett did, but he himself has said that he doesn't want to leave dallas in a desperate attempt to win a title. He said his goal is to win one here, or he won't be satisfied. that is what he said. Then combine that with cuban/nelson saying they want to keep dirk. So I don't see him leaving. Given that dirk is still on top of his game it makes sense for him to stay or go. It also makes sense for cuban/nelson to try and trade him if they decide to go that route. I see dirk staying in dallas, but if anything dirk reserves the right to change his mind and I won't blame him if he does.

 

[az1965]

Well, Kobe really needed one move... Gasol.

I admire his loyalty but I don't think he can win a title frankly with Kidd running point, Terry as the two, Dampier as the center, and so forth. The team needs some drastic changes like what Boston did - Allan, Garnett, and our gift of Rondo.

 

[Lorenzo]

Well, Kobe really needed one move... Gasol.

I admire his loyalty but I don't think he can win a title frankly with Kidd running point, Terry as the two, Dampier as the center, and so forth. The team needs some drastic changes like what Boston did - Allan, Garnett, and our gift of Rondo.

I agree whole heartedly! kidd can run your point...if you have another elite player in the backcourt. the problem is the rest of the mavs backcourt are bench worthy players(not starters). they can't defend nor penetrate the lane or suck in the defense(in a playoff series). the spurs exploited the mavs backcourt in the playoffs as jumpshooters who could not score off the dribble or get to the bucket. then when kidd plays with terry and barea you are constantly asking him to guard the opponents best guard whether it's the one or two. that's not fair to jkidd. I think this was his problem against the spurs leaving people wondering why he was grabbing his knees the whole series? Let's see another point guard in the league be asked to chase parker, hill, and ginobli all in one game and see what happens?

in the playoffs dampier sat on the bench in a game, so did marion, butler and beaubois. barea was asked to play starter mins in some games, 0 mins in others. terry got starter mins, but played worse than most of the bench players eventhough he is the supposed 6 man. there was no consistency because there was simply no consistency outside of dirk. If your coach doesn't trust these guys in the clutchest of times, then it means they need to go or he does! they need another top flight player who can help dirk night in and out not just sometimes. I do like what I saw from butler and haywood in the series though. they are not going to be the difference in winning a title, but they are worthy of being starters in this league. the mavs need another offensive perimeter/penetrator that can defend the 2 position.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Well, Kobe really needed one move... Gasol.

I admire his loyalty but I don't think he can win a title frankly with Kidd running point, Terry as the two, Dampier as the center, and so forth. The team needs some drastic changes like what Boston did - Allan, Garnett, and our gift of Rondo.

Don't discount the amazing aquisition of D. Fisher. For nothing.

Obviously the circumstances are fine... But he coulda went to Chicago, NYC (Nets or Knicks), the Clippers, or the Heat and recieved the same world class care his daughter is recieving in LA.

Complete luck..... Oh.... and Jerry West.

 

[elindholm]

This is absolutely folding. Not winning it all is folding

Well then Nowitzki might as well retire. The only teams to have won titles recently are the Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics, and none of them have any need for his services. (The Heat don't count, since they no longer resemble their championship squad.) By your definition, the other 26 teams in the league are all folders, so why play at all?

when you have a team that could do it or was expected to do it. Heck, we could not even get to the NBA finals.

Which Suns team of the last six years was "expected" to win the title, by anyone other than myopic Suns homers?

At least Dirk and Mavs got to the NBA finals being WC champs...

Are you even reading my posts?

 

[az1965]

Well then Nowitzki might as well retire. The only teams to have won titles recently are the Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics, and none of them have any need for his services. (The Heat don't count, since they no longer resemble their championship squad.) By your definition, the other 26 teams in the league are all folders, so why play at all?

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Nowhere I said any other teams cannot win. I didn't even say Suns cannot win. I was merely commenting on your identifying Mavs as playoff folders while Suns have been playoff folders for years, in fact, since their inception...

Which Suns team of the last six years was "expected" to win the title, by anyone other than myopic Suns homers?

The Suns team of 2005 to 2007 that had as much chance of winning as any other team in the league. There was no clear power house at least on the west coast like we have Lakers the last two years.

Are you even reading my posts?

Yes, I am and they are not making sense.

 

[elindholm]

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Nowhere I said any other teams cannot win. I didn't even say Suns cannot win. I was merely commenting on your identifying Mavs as playoff folders while Suns have been playoff folders for years, in fact, since their inception...

If the crux of your argument is that the Suns have underperformed in the playoffs as much as the Mavericks have over the past six years, then I have nothing to say.

Edit: Actually, no, I'll go ahead and write it out.

2005: Suns lose in WCF to Spurs (eventual champions); Mavs lose in second round to Suns
(Series records: Suns 2-1, Mavs 1-1)

2006: Suns lose in WCF to Mavs; Mavs lose in Finals to Heat (champions)
(Cumulative series records: Suns 4-2, Mavs 4-2)

2007: Suns lose in second round to Spurs (eventual champions); Mavs lose in first round to Warriors
(Suns 5-3, Mavs 4-3)

2008: Suns lose in first round to Spurs; Mavs lose in first round to Hornets
(Suns 5-4, Mavs 4-4)

2009: Suns fail to qualify; Mavs lose in second round to Nuggets
(Suns 5-4, Mavs 5-5)

2010: Suns, at worst, lose to Lakers in WCF; Mavs lose in first round to Spurs
(Suns 7-5, Mavs 5-6)

The Suns have won more playoff series than the Mavs over the past six years. So far, two of their four eliminations have come at the hand of the eventual champions, a pattern that is likely to continue this year. Meanwhile, the Mavericks have won one playoff series since their 2006 Finals appearance, while losing to a bunch of no-names.

I don't know how much clearer it can be.

 

[Absolute Zero]

I don't see why dirk would come to the suns, it's pretty much a lateral move. Why not go to miami with dwade, or maybe even somewhere with lebron?

Plus it is pretty tough for the suns to do. After amare opts out, they would still have to shed another 10 million. If frye opts out and they can move barbosa, then yes it could be done.

To reunite with his good buddy Nash for one last run of course. These dudes are TIGHT.

Once in a blue moon, someone will sign for a lot less than they are worth to go to a good situation. Remember Danny Manning?


How about this line up:

Dirk
Lopez
Amare
Nash
Richardson

Or Dirk as 6th man.

That would be pretty sick if you ask me.

 

[SirStefan32]

To reunite with his good buddy Nash for one last run of course. These dudes are TIGHT.

Once in a blue moon, someone will sign for a lot less than they are worth to go to a good situation. Remember Danny Manning?


How about this line up:

Dirk
Lopez
Amare
Nash
Richardson

Or Dirk as 6th man.

That would be pretty sick if you ask me.

If Suns decide to extend Stoudemire, there is no way they can sign Dirk. If they let him walk, they will only have about $10M to work with. I just don't see how they could possibly keep Amare and add Dirk unless Dirk takes the mid level exemption, which is not going to happen.

 

[slinslin]

Paul Pierce also needed Mike D'Antoni to sell his team a franchise PG for 3M$.

 

[AfroSuns]

If Suns decide to extend Stoudemire, there is no way they can sign Dirk. If they let him walk, they will only have about $10M to work with. I just don't see how they could possibly keep Amare and add Dirk unless Dirk takes the mid level exemption, which is not going to happen.

Maybe the unlikely will happen. Nash will take a pay cut to get his buddy here on MLE just so they can go on championship run. Pls let me dream

 

[dodie53]

if a miracle happens and the suns reach the finals,
i think some good FA will try to join phoenix and take a pay cut

 

[az1965]

The Suns have won more playoff series than the Mavs over the past six years. So far, two of their four eliminations have come at the hand of the eventual champions, a pattern that is likely to continue this year. Meanwhile, the Mavericks have won one playoff series since their 2006 Finals appearance, while losing to a bunch of no-names.

I don't know how much clearer it can be.

No matter how you twist it to unsuccessfully make your point, the Suns still folded every time whether to eventual champions or not.

 

[Lorenzo]

If the crux of your argument is that the Suns have underperformed in the playoffs as much as the Mavericks have over the past six years, then I have nothing to say.

Edit: Actually, no, I'll go ahead and write it out.

2005: Suns lose in WCF to Spurs (eventual champions); Mavs lose in second round to Suns
(Series records: Suns 2-1, Mavs 1-1)

2006: Suns lose in WCF to Mavs; Mavs lose in Finals to Heat (champions)
(Cumulative series records: Suns 4-2, Mavs 4-2)

2007: Suns lose in second round to Spurs (eventual champions); Mavs lose in first round to Warriors
(Suns 5-3, Mavs 4-3)

2008: Suns lose in first round to Spurs; Mavs lose in first round to Hornets
(Suns 5-4, Mavs 4-4)

2009: Suns fail to qualify; Mavs lose in second round to Nuggets
(Suns 5-4, Mavs 5-5)

2010: Suns, at worst, lose to Lakers in WCF; Mavs lose in first round to Spurs
(Suns 7-5, Mavs 5-6)

The Suns have won more playoff series than the Mavs over the past six years. So far, two of their four eliminations have come at the hand of the eventual champions, a pattern that is likely to continue this year. Meanwhile, the Mavericks have won one playoff series since their 2006 Finals appearance, while losing to a bunch of no-names.

I don't know how much clearer it can be.

if you go back many more years than that you will see both teams have been in the playoffs a lot and have lost a lot series to eventual champions and what not....why only go back 6 years. maybe at different times though because the mavericks sucked in the 90's. either way how about look at head to head over your nash stretch? outside of the first nash year the suns can't say that they have really been much better than the mavericks(if you make that arguement). I'd say they are equal, but if I were being a homer I could probably say the mavs have had their way with the suns. I'd say it's a favorable matchup for dallas. it really doesn't matter at the end of the day who has more playoff series wins or h2head wins. this isn't the point. the point is neither team can really say their run is better than the other because they have both fell short time and time again. I think that is what the point is.

 

[Lorenzo]

If Suns decide to extend Stoudemire, there is no way they can sign Dirk. If they let him walk, they will only have about $10M to work with. I just don't see how they could possibly keep Amare and add Dirk unless Dirk takes the mid level exemption, which is not going to happen.

if those are the numbers it has little to no chance considering the mavs are willing to pay him 15-20 mil per year. I heard a chicago sports guy saying dirk is their #2 option after lebron lol. if chicago doesn't land a big free agent this year they may never be relevant again.

 

[SunsFanVegas]

To reunite with his good buddy Nash for one last run of course. These dudes are TIGHT.

Once in a blue moon, someone will sign for a lot less than they are worth to go to a good situation. Remember Danny Manning?


How about this line up:

Dirk
Lopez
Amare
Nash
Richardson

Or Dirk as 6th man.

That would be pretty sick if you ask me.

Yeah, they are pretty tight....Dirk is the Godfather to Nash's twin girls. I'd personally like to see it happen.

 

[elindholm]

No matter how you twist it to unsuccessfully make your point, the Suns still folded every time whether to eventual champions or not.

Which is the same thing you said two posts ago, to which I responded that, by that standard, Nowitzki has no options. Have you forgotten this exchange already?

 

[cly2tw]

If Amare is gone, Dirk would certainly be huge. But how is it doable under the cap? We need at least get rid LB, hoping Frye opts out and talk Hill into opting out. However, if we could get Dirk on a discount like 12 -14mil per and convince JO to come over for 3-5mil per, while having Hill bak for minimum, we'd have another shot at the title for 2 more years.

JO/Lopez/Dirk/Hill/Dud/Clark/JRich/Nash/Dragic

that's a very good 9-man rotation.

 

[AfroSuns]

If Amare is gone, Dirk would certainly be huge. But how is it doable under the cap? We need at least get rid LB, hoping Frye opts out and talk Hill into opting out. However, if we could get Dirk on a discount like 12 -14mil per and convince JO to come over for 3-5mil per, while having Hill bak for minimum, we'd have another shot at the title for 2 more years.

JO/Lopez/Dirk/Hill/Dud/Clark/JRich/Nash/Dragic

that's a very good 9-man rotation.

Who is JO?? Jermaine O'neal?

 

[elindholm]

Jermaine O'Neal? You have to be kidding me. The guy was done three years ago.

 

[jibikao]

My strong guess is if Dirk chooses to opt out, he will not choose Suns only because he still loves his mavs fans and choosing Suns looks like "betraying" to them. Mavs already hates Nash. I highly doubt Dirk would choose Suns. If anything, I think Dirk would go to East and most likely either Miami or New York.

And besides, Nash/Dirk is not a very good combo. Dirk is probably one of the best clutch players but I don't think he fits the system.

 

[az1965]

Which is the same thing you said two posts ago, to which I responded that, by that standard, Nowitzki has no options. Have you forgotten this exchange already?

And to which I responded that it is not Dirk's options i was debating, it is your pointing fingers at Mavs folding but ignoring Suns folding, finding all kind of twisted reasoning.