Speed

[Harry]

I've gotten a few questions about this since I labeled a couple of the Cards' picks as slow where other articles listed them as fast. It's all relative. I think BASK may have been among the first to notice the change. With guys now running 4.3+, 4.5 may no longer be fast enough at corner with all these 3-wide sets. 4.6 surely isn't. If you're a press corner with 4.5 speed you'd better get your man at the line or WRs like Smoke & JJ will make you pay big time. Even when playing zone; speed kills. I think that's why the Cards took Williams. You can't teach speed. I've no clue on the later choices. I think WRs can get away with being slower if they're big, strong or run great routes. DBs without speed are rapidly becoming road kill.

 

[CardLogic]

Harry, which would you rate as being more critical - straight speed, i.e - 40yard; or "make up speed" or burst?

 

[pinetopred]

I completely agree Harry same thing with inside LBs. 4.7 speed gets you killed the only reasons IMO a guy like Darron Lee gets drafted in the 1st round is he runs 4.5. Instincts be damned you better be able to run and be a superior athlete in today's defenses or your toast.

 

[football karma]

Re: Brandon Williams.

I get the logic -- guys that size with that speed who also played competent CB in the SEC are top 20 (if not higher) draft picks. So take a guy with the God given tools, the willingness to work and just (perhaps) lacks coaching and experience and after a year, you might have something. In the meantime, he plays specials.

It also explains the interest in TJ Green -- it feels like the two are the same player.

 

[Mitch]

Re: Brandon Williams.

I get the logic -- guys that size with that speed who also played competent CB in the SEC are top 20 (if not higher) draft picks. So take a guy with the God given tools, the willingness to work and just (perhaps) lacks coaching and experience and after a year, you might have something. In the meantime, he plays specials.

It also explains the interest in TJ Green -- it feels like the two are the same player.

Same size and speed as Green---but Williams is a better tackler, team leader and STs player....and, Williams has one year of experience playing CB, whereas Green has none.

 

[Sandan]

Actually these days you can "Teach Speed", you can make a person faster

What you can't do is teach them the initial capability. ie they have to be fast to start with to make making them faster useful.

Sorry having a BIM moment here

 

[Harry]

Straight line speed is critical to some positions like WR & CB. JJ Nelson has proved that. He's too fragile to succeed otherwise. I think burst or even the 10 yd number is more relevant to lineman or pass rushers. For example, I worry about whether Golden lacks the necessary burst to close the deal often enough to be a big time rusher. The league has several guys who stack up hurries, but not sacks or forced fumbles. This will be a key year for Golden as Jones will take much of the heat from everyone.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Actually these days you can "Teach Speed", you can make a person faster

What you can't do is teach them the initial capability. ie they have to be fast to start with to make making them faster useful.

Sorry having a BIM moment here

Maybe a tad faster, crafting the speed you already have, in other words you are not going to be able to take a middle of the pack sprinter and make him a world champion... you either have the frame and the quick twitch muscles or you do not, I think the premise in teaching speed is just areas around the actual movement like getting rid of wasted motion and those aspects

 

[Sandan]

Maybe a tad faster, crafting the speed you already have, in other words you are not going to be able to take a middle of the pack sprinter and make him a world champion... you either have the frame and the quick twitch muscles or you do not, I think the premise in teaching speed is just areas around the actual movement like getting rid of wasted motion and those aspects

Note the smiley faces in the original post, I agree with you, though it was more than a tad

But I think the science involved was in this Nova - Making Stuff Faster

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365099550/

 

[Jetstream Green]

Note the smiley faces in the original post, I agree with you, though it was more than a tad

But I think the science involved was in this Nova - Making Stuff Faster

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365099550/

I here you

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Speed is the key these days. When I text my scout friend, his first response usually has something to do with the players speed. No matter how much is gets downplayed at times, a guy's 40 time is very important.

An example, when I asked about my favorite RB in the draft, Jordan Howard, his response was ran slow. Same with Noah Spence and, as you can see, they both fell somewhat in the draft.

 

[Garthshort]

Same with Treadwell, who was considered the best WR, but was the fourth WR drafted.