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Sam Raimi Still Up for Spider-Man 4?
Source: USA Today
December 2, 2004


It was generally believed that Spider-Man series director Sam Raimi was saying goodbye to the franchise after the third film, but USA Today notes that a fourth film comes up in the commentary on the Spider-Man 2 DVD.

Sony Pictures has plans for three more sequels, but Raimi is not signed on for the fourth movie. "If I have the same passion after this (Spider-Man 3), I would love to direct (No. 4) and hope they would ask me."

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The Villains of Spider-Man 3
by Matt Hunt

Since the recent release of "Spider-Man 2" on DVD will give comic-heads another excuse to break out their undersized red-and-blue Underoos, it’s time to weigh in on the next chapter of everyone’s favorite superhero turned movie-studio franchise. Yep, with "Spider-Man 3" right around the corner, legions of devoted fans have hunkered down to fill message boards, chat rooms and rumor mills with the leaked scripts and "inside information" that will no doubt postpone the creation of at least 17 Babylon 5-related zines.

While casual Spidey-Fans are content to live life without arguing the merits of wearing a symbiotic alien costume, hardcore fans will continue the debate over who should be the next big baddie. With the Green Goblin and Doc Ock checked off the list (in "Spider-Man" 1 and 2, respectively), the time is nearing for another villain (or villains) from Spidey’s rogue gallery to get the big screen treatment from Sony. Let’s look at the front runners:



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[size=-1]Suspect: Harry Osborne AKA Green Goblin II[/size]
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Comic Origin: Once Peter Parker's college roommate and best friend, the son of the original GG, Harry, turned to drugs as a result of the pressures placed on him by his demanding father. After falling off the wagon during an attempted recovery and witnessing Spider-Man kill the original Goblin, Harry snaps just in time to discover Peter's secret identity. With help from both a modified version of the Goblin formula and hallucinations in the form of his psychotic dead father, Harry vows to destroy Spider-Man.

Movie Status: Appears in "Spider-Man" 1 and 2 as Harry Osborne. Last seen discovering his father's costume and cache of weapons.

Comic Status: Died as a result of an unknown side effect of the Goblin formula after blowing up the Osborne mansion in an attempt to kill Spider-Man.

Probability: The end of "Spider-Man 2" makes it a lock that Harry Osborn will show up as a variant of the the Green Goblin much sooner than later in the Spidey franchise. He's the clear favorite for Spider-Man 3.

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[size=-1]Suspect: Eddie Brock AKA Venom[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: While on a trip to space, Spider-Man is given a black alien costume to replace his badly tattered red and blue threads. After discovering that the costume is actually a parasitic symbiote trying to control him, Spidey seperates himself from the alien at the top of a local church's bell tower with the help of high frequency sound waves. Meanwhile, Journalist Eddie Brock is fired from his job at the Daily Bugle after falsely identifying a villain who Spider-Man later captures. After being disowned by his father, fired from his job, and left by his wife, Brock takes the logical route of climbing to the top of the previously mentioned church tower to pray before committing suicide. After an encounter in the church, the alien and Brock merge together and continuously torment Spider-Man, Mary Jane, and even Aunt May.

Movie Status: Has not yet appeared.

Comic Book Status: After being separated from the symbiote by a powerful alien, Eddie Brock's whereabouts are unknown. The alien symbiote is thought to be in Alaska ... or Hardee's.

Probability: Since the first film, fanboys have been foaming at the mouth for a big screen treatment of the V-man. And the cheap pop of a doppelganger story is money in Sony's pockets. While we may get a glimpse of Eddie Brock or even a brief cameo in "Spider-Man 3," don't count on seeing Venom until after the Goblin storyline wraps up.

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[size=-1]Suspect: Dr. Curt Conners AKA The Lizard[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: After losing his arm during a blast while treating soldiers in the field, Dr. Curt Conners decides to concoct a serum containing reptilian DNA to regrow the lost limb. Why not? Conners is successful in regenerating his arm, with the minor side-effect of turning into a giant mutant lizard when stressed out. The Lizard side of Conners eventually gains its own personality and decides to (*yawn*) take over the world with an army of lizards.

Movie Status: Appears in "Spider-Man 2" as Peter Parker's College professor.

Comic Status: After The Lizard's attempt to enslave the world using tainted water is thwarted by Spider-Man, Connor's estranged wife and kid show up and convince Conners to seek treatment for his condition.

Probability: With Kurt Conners already appearing in "Spider-Man 2," sans hand, as one of Peter Parker's college professors, things look good for a full blown CG treatment of the half-man/half reptile baddie. But unless he's playing second fiddle to the Green Goblin or Venom, don't expect to see this guy until at least sequel number 4.

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[size=-1]Suspect: Norman Osborne AKA Green Goblin[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: After experimenting with his imprisoned business partner's secret formulas, a near-dead Norman Osborne discovers that he has gained super intelligence and strength. Unfortunately, he also gains a good share of insanity and decides to take control of the criminal underworld under the guise of the Green Goblin.

Movie status: Apparently died in "Spider-Man" after being impaled by his goblin glider. Appears in "Spider-Man 2" as one of Harry's hallucinations. Presumed dead, but...

Comic Status: After being impaled by his own glider, Norman Osborne finds that the formula which gave him his super-abilities also gives him uncanny regenerative abilities. Norman murders a drifter and places his body in the morgue, and then hides out in Europe for seven years before returning to destroy any hopes of continuity the Spidey-verse ever hoped to achieve.

Probability: Don't expect to see the original G outside of hallucination form anytime soon, but if the franchise starts lagging after the top tier villains are gone, a second run for Norman could be just what the spider ordered.

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[size=-1]Suspect: Max Dillon AKA Electro[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: Technician Max Dillon was repairing a downed power line during a thunderstorm when he was struck by lightning. Unlike the average 3,700 people in the United States who are turned to toast every year, Dillon gains the ability to manipulate electricity and has the ultra-original idea of using his newfound skills to perpetrate various criminal activities.

Movie Status: Has not yet appeared

Comic Book Status: After having his powers jacked by agreeing to be fried in an electric chair, Electro was once again stopped by Spider-Man and imprisoned.

Probability: More of a team player than a number 1, Electro would fit in nicely with the addition of another heel a la Two Face/Riddler in "Batman Forever." (*Note: Stuffo does not condone "Batman Forever." It is mentioned for comparative purposes only.)

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[size=-1]Suspect: Dmitri Smerdyakov AKA Chameleon[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: A Russian agent during the cold war, Dmitri Smerdyakov "Kravinoff" used his ability to mimic anyone's face and voice to spy on his American counterparts. After coming to America, the Chameleon used his talents to clambor for the top spot in the New York criminal underworld. In an attempt to stop Spider-Man from meddling in his shady dealings, the Chameleon enlists the aid of Kraven. Kraven, who is also Russian, uses his unmatched skills as a hunter and his exotic elixirs to attempt and destroy Spider-Man.

Movie Status: Has not yet appeared.

Comic Status: After Kraven succeeds in defeating Spider-Man and burying him alive, he takes Spider-Man's identity to prove that he is a better webspinner than Spidey. In his new role, Kraven captures the psychopathic Vermin -- a villain Spidey himself was unable to nab. After this collar, Kraven feels he has proven he is better than the original Spider-Man. Spider-Man is able to crawl out of his makeshift grave, the hunter feels that he has regained his honor and proceeds to release Vermin onto the streets and shoot himself. Since then, the Chameleon has made it his mission to seek vengeance on Spider-Man for the loss of his comrade. Chameleon is currently locked away in an insane asylum.

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Probability: One of the most popular storylines in the Spidey mythos, Kraven's "last hunt" seems primed for the big screen treatment -- just not anytime soon. If the franchise hits 5 or 6 films, this one's as good as wrapped.

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[size=-1]Suspect: Adrian Toomes AKA Vulture[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: After discovering that his business partner was cheating him out of profits, old, crotchety jerk Adrian Toomes decides to have an impromptu manager's meeting. During the confrontation with said partner, Toomes discovers that exposure to radiation from an electromagnetic flying harness which he is constructing has given him super-human strength. After using the harness and his newfound strength to ransack and rob his former company, Toomes realizes how easy it is to outwit the New York police department and goes on a major crime spree.

Movie status: Has not yet appeared.

Comic Status: After learning that the radiation from his flying apparatus gave him inoperable cancer, the Vulture enlists the help of Norman Osborne and is given a treatment which reverts him to a much younger (and cancer-free) age. The "new" Vulture updates his flying harness with body armor and weapons and is generally more ill-tempered.

Probability: Unless the franchise gets up to around Spider-Man 6, it isn't likely that we'll see this old bald buzzard flying around.

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[size=-1]Suspect: Quintin Beck AKA Mysterio[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: Hollywood stuntman Quentin Beck decides to branch into special effects and, in an attempt to gain notoriety, attacks Spider-Man as the costumed villain Mysterio. Through his mastery of smoke, mirrors, and various gasses, Mysterio begins a career that will result in numerous thrashings at the hands of both Spider-Man and Daredevil.

Movie Status: Has not yet appeared.

Comic Status: Died of self-inflicted gunshot wound after discovering brain tumor and lung cancer caused by the numerous products which he used in his many years of attacking Spider-Man.

Probability: Slim. Does anyone really need to see someone in a purple and green robe wear a giant glass dome on his head and shoot smoke and gas out of his gloves on the big screen?

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[size=-1]Suspect: John Jameson AKA Man-Wolf[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: Daily Bugle owner J. Jonah Jameson's son John is a promising astronaut who, on a double super-secret trip to the moon, finds an alien gem entitled the moonstone which attaches to his throat and causes him to change into a wolf-like beast whenever a full moon is present. Wolfman-like shenanigans ensue.

Movie Stauts: Appears in Spider-Man 2 (pre-wolf) as a promising astronaut and Mary Jane Watson's fiancée.

Comic Status: Having been cured of his transformations by Spider-Man and Curt Conners (sans lizard form), Jameson most recently worked in an asylum for superpowered criminals until he was fired after a mass escape.

Probability: As the lamest character to ever have some relation to the werewolf myth, don't expect to see the Man-Wolf on the silver screen. It's a safe bet that John Jamseon stays unfurred.



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[size=-1]Suspect: Hubert Carpenter AKA The Walrus[/size]
[/font]Comic Origin: After his janitor uncle begins experimenting with stolen technology, bumbling idiot Hubert Carpenter is given the proportionate strength of a walrus. Unfortunately, since a walrus is bigger than a man, he is basically slower and weaker than a common walrus. Led down the path of evil by his uncle, The Walrus begins his journey of getting pounded by the likes of "The Fabulous Frog-Man."

Movie Status: Has not yet appeared.

Comic Status: The Walrus goes down for the count after being tapped in the head by Spider-Man. Presumably incarcerated. Probability: Unless Joel Schumacher is allowed to helm a Spidey-film, no chance
 
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Alvin Sargent to Write Spider-Man 3
Source: Variety
January 13, 2005


Sony Pictures has made a seven-figure deal for Alvin Sargent to write Spider-Man 3, with an option to write the fourth movie as well, reports Variety. He has already begun work on the third film, which has a tentative release date of May 4, 2007.

The trade says Sargent is widely credited with whipping a problematic Spider-Man 2 script into shape, but he has evolved into the voice of the franchise.

Sargent got sole screen credit on the sequel but also did uncredited rewrite work on the first film, which was penned by David Koepp.

Sargent was brought on to polish the original film by his wife, Laura Ziskin, who produces the "Spider-Man" films with Marvel's Avi Arad. Koepp took a crack at writing the first draft of the sequel, followed by Smallville creators and scripting team Alfred Gough and Miles Millar and then author Michael Chabon. Sargent then was brought back and wound up with sole script credit.

The studio has not yet disclosed the storyline or villain for Spider-Man 3, but the story has already been crafted by Sargent along with director Sam Raimi and his brother, Ivan Raimi.

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Sam Raimi on the Spider-Man 3 Villain
Source: Now Playing Magazine
February 2, 2005


Now Playing Magazine talked to Sam Raimi who confirmed that a villain for Spider-Man 3 has been settled on. Here's a clip from the interview:

"We wanted to have a villain not only who would fulfill the character needs but somebody who could entertain the audience on a visceral level and provide great visuals, something we haven't seen before, and create a real challenge and great foe for Spider-Man and his unique spidery, spider-like powers."

He added that Alvin Sargent is writing the screenplay right now. For more on how the villain will likely be revealed, and how Raimi and his brother Ivan decided on the villain CLICK HERE

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Seems like all signs are pointing to Venom. :cool:

Likely to happen: Peter gets the symbiote for the first part of the film, uses the black costume as both Parker and Spidey, then discovers the symbiote is doing whatever it wants, fights it out with the symbiote, symbiote flees, finds Eddie Brock and latches on to him, becoming Venom. Venom and Spidey fight it out, with Venom knowing everything about Parker from the time they were bonded, etc.

Rant: This is exactly why I was against the biological web-shooters. Spidey always had the manual web-shooters (showed off the science geekiness of Peter)...then didn't need them as black costumed Spidey because the symbiote produced the webbing...then once he broke things off with the symbiote he reverted back to his manual web-shooters. Now that transition is out, due to changes made to the character by Raimi from day one.
 

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.....and create a real challenge and great foe for Spider-Man and his unique spidery, spider-like powers."

....Seems like all signs are pointing to Venom. :cool:

Likely to happen: Peter gets the symbiote for the first part of the film, uses the black costume as both Parker and Spidey, then discovers the symbiote is doing whatever it wants, fights it out with the symbiote, symbiote flees, finds Eddie Brock and latches on to him, becoming Venom. Venom and Spidey fight it out, with Venom knowing everything about Parker from the time they were bonded, etc.....

Methinks we'll see indicators of venom (i.e. John Jameson goes to space and comes back w/ symbiote) in the 3rd film...but not full blown 'venom.'

If I remember right...spiderman saved John J. on his return flight...so perhaps they may go with that idea and have the symbiote come in contact w/ spiderman to sorta introduce the costume in the movie while he deals with the Lizard and the green goblin.

So far they have been really good in developing transition points between films like the green goblin's father/son...I can't see them blowing everything by creating a duke em out w/ venom in the 3rd film...unless they want the movie to be like 3-4 hours long.
 
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Good points, Djaughe. I always thought the clear villain was Green Goblin II, but with all the talk of "something we haven't seen before" - who knows? :shrug:
 

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Good points, Djaughe. I always thought the clear villain was Green Goblin II, but with all the talk of "something we haven't seen before" - who knows? :shrug:

I just hope they don't try to create a 'new' villain...that would SUCK! :eek:
 
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One thing we can be sure of: The symbiote won't come back with Spidey from the Secret Wars... :bang:
 

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Brian in Mesa said:
Seems like all signs are pointing to Venom. :cool:

Likely to happen: Peter gets the symbiote for the first part of the film, uses the black costume as both Parker and Spidey, then discovers the symbiote is doing whatever it wants, fights it out with the symbiote, symbiote flees, finds Eddie Brock and latches on to him, becoming Venom. Venom and Spidey fight it out, with Venom knowing everything about Parker from the time they were bonded, etc.

Rant: This is exactly why I was against the biological web-shooters. Spidey always had the manual web-shooters (showed off the science geekiness of Peter)...then didn't need them as black costumed Spidey because the symbiote produced the webbing...then once he broke things off with the symbiote he reverted back to his manual web-shooters. Now that transition is out, due to changes made to the character by Raimi from day one.

Man I hope they don't rush into putting Venom on the big screen. His character (which became incredibly weird and somewhat dull in the comics) has plenty of potential for a movie villain.

I mean would they really rush introducing the symbiate, Eddie Brock (whom hasn't been seen in the movies and was only mentioned in one sentence of the 1st movie ... bet the majority here didn't even notice), explain Brock's hatred for Parker and Spider-man, and have the inner struggle with the symbiate costume itself all in one movie? That seems like that would be a whole hell of a lot to do in a 2 hour movie. My guess is they end the 3rd movie with the symbiate finding Eddie Brock and in turn becoming Venom. Then in part 4 he is the main villain.

There are still plenty of good villains available (khamelion, Kraven the hunter, mysterio, electro, shocker, sandman, hydroman, the lizard, all 8 billion of the goblins, Morpheus, etc), I just don't want them to waste potential of the storyline based on being rushed.

I'm still waiting for the Scarlett Spider storyline on the big screen.

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Personally, I hope it's not Venom if it's gonna seem rushed. That is a huge storyline to cram into one film. Better to introduce it and go from there in the next one.

Raimi has said he hopes to continue making the Spidey movies as long as they can make them quality films and not just money-grabs.

I'm wondering if we'll see the Black Cat/Felicia Hardy... :shrug:

Hmmm...how about the Morpheus storyline with Spidey getting the extra limbs? :D
 

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My money is on Green Goblin II, paired with the Lizard somehow. I don't see form those articles how "all signs point to Venom." Maybe they misunderstood rami's quote about "spider-like powers." I read that to mean he's talking about our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, not the new villain.
 

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Raimi has said he hopes to continue making the Spidey movies as long as they can make them quality films and not just money-grabs.
There is absolutely no reason why ANY long-established comic book character Hollywood franchise should turn into crapola money grabs (see "Batman and Robin"). For decades the comics have been putting out solid stories in freaking Hollywood-style story boards! It's mapped out for you, you spoiled little hacks! Don't try to fix what ain't broke!

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There is absolutely no reason why ANY long-established comic book character Hollywood franchise should turn into crapola money grabs (see "Batman and Robin"). For decades the comics have been putting out solid stories in freaking Hollywood-style story boards! It's mapped out for you, you spoiled little hacks! Don't try to fix what ain't broke!

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okay. I'm better now. Sorry 'bout that.

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It's amazing how many different storylines there are with the characters already introduced...Dr. Connors is the Lizard, Jameson's son is the Man-Wolf, Robbie's son is Tombstone, and we all know about Harry...

I am still wondering if they'll attempt to bring back Norman... ? :shrug:
 

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It's amazing how many different storylines there are with the characters already introduced...Dr. Connors is the Lizard, Jameson's son is the Man-Wolf, Robbie's son is Tombstone, and we all know about Harry...

I am still wondering if they'll attempt to bring back Norman... ? :shrug:

God I hope not. That storyline in the comics was flat out AWFUL. Please Rami for the love of God do NOT bring back Norman (other than in flashbacks) and have the Legion of Goblins be in a movie EVER. :barf:

I think they will keep him just for Harry's flashbacks. Remember it took awhile of Harry fighting his father's ghost before he lost it and became Green Goblin 2
 
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Watching a Law & Order episode with J. K. Simmons (J. Jonah Jameson)...reminded me that he's been commenting on the filming of Spidey 3 quite a bit recently. Says filming will begin ahead of schedule, etc. :thumbup:

Latest internet rumor is Thomas Haden Church being cast as Eddie Brock... :shrug:
 

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Latest internet rumor is Thomas Haden Church being cast as Eddie Brock... :shrug:
I think that could work if he could put on a couple pounds of muscle. But he seems a little old for the role.
 

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I think that could work if he could put on a couple pounds of muscle. But he seems a little old for the role.

lol...he's got the smile fer the part...

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Sevigny Reveals Spider-Man 3 Villain?
Source: New York Daily News
March 17, 2005


The New York Daily News spoke to Chloë Sevigny (Melinda and Melinda, American Psycho) who says she's trying to land a role in Spider-Man 3.

"I'd love to be in 'Spider-Man 3!'" Sevigny says. "There's a villain in it who's a blond, buxom girl, and I'm trying to get it!

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Felicia Hardy, aka Black Cat. :cool:

I can't see that being the main storyline, maybe she's a side villain? :shrug:
 

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Felicia Hardy, aka Black Cat. :cool:

I can't see that being the main storyline, maybe she's a side villain? :shrug:
I've read rumors that Hardy will be in the movie, sort of as a psuedo-villain. Yeah, she's a cat burglar, but not a threat to harm anyone--except for MJ, because her and Spider-Man have a flirtatious thing going on.

I could live with that.
 
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Church is the Spider-Man 3 Nemesis
Source: Columbia Pictures
March 22, 2005


Thomas Haden Church, who was most recently nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in Sideways, has been cast as Spider-Man's new archenemy in the next chapter of the "Spider-Man" adventure, it was announced by director Sam Raimi and producers Laura Ziskin and Marvel Studios' Avi Arad.

Spider-Man 3, which is scheduled for release on May 4, 2007, will reunite the successful team that was responsible for the first two blockbuster films. The franchise has grossed more than $1.5 billion in worldwide ticket sales and the new film will again reteam director Raimi, producers Ziskin and Arad, and actors Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker/Spider-Man and Kirsten Dunst as M.J..

Production on Spider-Man 3 is scheduled to begin early next year.

"In addition to the on-going relationship between Peter Parker and M.J., these films are driven by the great actors who have brought our villains to life," said Raimi. "Thomas Haden Church will be a fantastic and challenging new nemesis and we all look forward to working with him."

The identity of the new villain is being kept secret and while speculation is rampant about which character is being called into action, the studio will not comment on the casting beyond confirming Church.

Since his star-making role in Sideways, Church has been in demand. The actor is voicing one of the characters in the upcoming animated film Charlotte's Web, and he recently appeared in Columbia Pictures' Spanglish. Church previously appeared in such other films as George of the Jungle, 3000 Miles to Graceland, and Tombstone. In 2003, he also starred in, co-wrote and directed the comedy Rolling Kansas. From 1990 to 1995, Church played Lowell Mather in the TV series Wings.

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Brian in Mesa said:

Yup yup yup...it has to be his smile that got him the part!

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Yeah, but don't they FIRST need to film the Secret Wars to show the genesis of the suit?

Right??????
 

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Yeah, but don't they FIRST need to film the Secret Wars to show the genesis of the suit?

Right??????

I'm guessing earlier in this thread that JJJ's son is going on some space flight and brings back the alien.
 

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