Spiderman has a heart problem??

[SECTION 11]

14 catches. The guy's 6'2" 225 lbs and how many broken tackles does he have?

 

[clif]

Bad draft pick.

Bring it on!

wait a minute... People were saying it was Josh's fault for not hitting the open man.... the offensive line is horrid....

Now Fitz is a bad pick? 22 TD's in college last year (18 straight games) hurts his ankle and has started 3 games in the NFL and he's a bad pick??? talk about premature

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

And on the other side of that, we didn't need him we needed a running back, (And exactly who were you gonna take at that spot? Let me guess Stephen 'Man-love' Jackson?) he's overpaid,(Read the contract. If he gets half of those incentives this team will be rolling and you wont care.) he can't get open (even in college)(One of the truly ridiculous statements I have ever heard...of course he got open-constantly. Did you even watch any of his games?), he's allegedly loafing on routes(OK NEM jr. nice that you say that...where is that coming from SWD? Brilliant!), we already had him (Nate Poole) (if you truly believe that he isnt any better than Poole then you need to quit posting and wathc some football!), and most importantly, he has a huge amount of potential to be a problem in the locker room. Not by anything he personally does, but because he will always be Green's wildly overpaid guy, and my money's on others eventually resenting that fact.(Where in the world did this come from? S11 I am suprised at you. These are posts I dont expect from someone like you. Quit buying intlo what other people say and watch him. By all accounts he is the nicest most hard working guy in the world yet you have him as a locker room cancer? I am sorry but thats absurd!) And now we're stuck with a three receiver set that we can't use because we can't run on anyone.(And we could USE this 3 wr set if we had drafted who? Stephen Jackson? )[/QUOTE]


Weak S11....very weak!

 

[pete]

And on the other side of that, we didn't need him we needed a running back, he's overpaid, he can't get open (even in college), he's allegedly loafing on routes, we already had him (Nate Poole), and most importantly, he has a huge amount of potential to be a problem in the locker room. Not by anything he personally does, but because he will always be Green's wildly overpaid guy, and my money's on others eventually resenting that fact. And now we're stuck with a three receiver set that we can't use because we can't run on anyone.

There will always be resentment because that is that way the system is set up.
Someone has to get slotted for the huge contracts.

The Cards can't run because of the O line. Do you think a rookie RB would fare any better than Smith and crew? I don't. If anything, Smith has amazed me with his vision this year. RB is not the Card's problem. ******* O lineman are.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

>>
Some people in the organization are hoping that receiver Larry Fitzgerald's ankle is still bothering him.

That's the only reason they can think of for the rookie not running hard on a handful of routes last Sunday in Atlanta . .
<<

I dont liek the looks of that piece of content at all. On tv you cant really tell when players take plays off. Anyone have a comment that sees the games live?

Where does this quote come from? Who are these people int he organization?

 

[Pariah]

Do you think a rookie RB would fare any better than Smith and crew? I don't.

I do. I don't disagree that the line is a problem, but if we had even taken M. Moore he'd be running better than our RB stable.

We took Fitz, I'm mostly okay with that. And, I'm 100% behind our 2nd and 3rd picks, so I wouldn't have changed those for anybody else. So, I look at the RB spot as something we'll need to fix next April or next summer. I have confidence that DG won't simply put a bandaid on it--we'll amputate and replace it with bionic parts. It'll be big news next year one way or another (draft of FA).

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I do. I don't disagree that the line is a problem, but if we had even taken M. Moore he'd be running better than our RB stable.

So you would have taken Moore where? (btw I like him too) But you would have what, taken him at #3? too high!

2nd round? and give up Dansby.

I am just curious to how you see this scenario playing out?

 

[vince56]

And on the other side of that, we didn't need him we needed a running back,

Shipp would've been fine for this year. The last two years he's approached about 900 yards without starting more than 8 or 10 games. A full season behind the same OL and you might figure he could get you 1000 or 1100. Logically RB was not a problem this past offseason. Hindsight 20/20, yeah we would've loved to have a 2nd RB, and if I remember correctly Green wanted to draft Jones with the 2nd round pick, but he was snatched up just beforehand. Dansby's a player though, and I'm glad we got him.

he's overpaid,

Not if he produces. If he at least makes it so Quan isn't always double-teamed, he's done a fantastic job IMO. If he becomes Quan 2, we'll have one of the most explosive offenses in the league. For chrissakes, he's a rookie! Give him time. Boston sucked in his rookie year.

he can't get open (even in college),

He looked pretty damn open to me in the clips I've seen. In fact he was waltzing into the endzone several times all alone.

he's allegedly loafing on routes,

Possibly, but wouldn't you be if you knew your QB couldn't get you the ball anyway? Moss takes plays off too, but I don't see Minnesota fans bitching about him.

we already had him (Nate Poole),

Yeah, and Kevin Kasper is the athletic equivalent of Randy Moss. Nice try. Nate Poole was cut 4 times by a coach who couldn't change audibles in 5 years. Fitz was a consensus top 10 pick.

and most importantly, he has a huge amount of potential to be a problem in the locker room. Not by anything he personally does, but because he will always be Green's wildly overpaid guy, and my money's on others eventually resenting that fact.

I don't think we'll see an out-of-control locker room with this team anytime soon. Green's a tyrant... and he'll cut your ass for sh*t like that.

And now we're stuck with a three receiver set that we can't use because we can't run on anyone.

yeah, and we do need a running back pretty bad with Shipp out. You said on another thread that if only we had Emmitt's head on Scobey's body. I 100% agree with that statement. Scobey has all the physical tools, but he only seems to have vision on kickoff returns, and not when futzing through a defense's front 7. I firmly believe we should start Scobey right now and see what happens.

 

[clif]

There will always be resentment because that is that way the system is set up.
Someone has to get slotted for the huge contracts.

The Cards can't run because of the O line. Do you think a rookie RB would fare any better than Smith and crew? I don't. If anything, Smith has amazed me with his vision this year. RB is not the Card's problem. ******* O lineman are.

I agree with everything except RB to a point. I rewatched the game last night, and I saw quite a few runs where a quicker back could have hit the hole and had way more yardage. Even the announcer mentioned it. There is no question that emmitt still have the vision, but a younger more agile back could have done alot better than he did.

Yes the line is bad, but even they open holes every now and then.

 

[Scott MS]

Dear Cardinals --

Please give us a win this Sunday against the Saints so that we can put an end to this negative speculation of doom, destruction, and a 0-16 season.

Thanks.

 

[Pariah]

So you would have taken Moore where? (btw I like him too) But you would have what, taken him at #3? too high!

2nd round? and give up Dansby.

I am just curious to how you see this scenario playing out?

I was editing as you were typing. I wasn't advocating we take moore--my point was that even a guy not taken in the first would be running better than our backs now.

 

[Shane]

I dont buy the ankle is still a problem excuse at all.

The guy runs full speed on the field and cuts without the slightest hint of a limp. or look of pain in his face.

If its bad enough to where it is still bothering him then he would be showing signs of it.

 

[SECTION 11]

Look, he's a good player. I know that. He's probably the best receiver in the draft not named Roy Williams.
He's on pace for 75 catches and 762 yards. That's good stuff for a rookie receiver, I know that.

Given that we had Boldin, Johnson, Poole, I think he was a bad pick at #3 for what he brings to the table.

 

[Scott MS]

Look, he's a good player. I know that. He's probably the best receiver in the draft not named Roy Williams.
He's on pace for 75 catches and 762 yards. That's good stuff for a rookie receiver, I know that.

Given that we had Boldin, Johnson, Poole, I think he was a bad pick at #3 for what he brings to the table.

Perhaps, but he will be the best top 10 pick the Cardinals have had in the past 10 years (provided he stays away from strange trainers and human growth hormones).

It could be worst, we could have taken Winslow and watched him whine, hold out, and then be out for the season. Boy does he SUCK!!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I was editing as you were typing. I wasn't advocating we take moore--my point was that even a guy not taken in the first would be running better than our backs now.

Gotcha.

I like Moore too and Jackson and Bell and Wilson and more but the way this drat played out, outside of trading down, you cant draft a RB at #3. I was just curious how you saw the scenario....my bad!

Anyway, I do think the Cards made a mistake by not taking a RB int he later rounds and picking guys like Smith and Lecky. Right now I would have loved to have Michael Turner on this team as he is a beast and wont get a lick of playing time behind LT

 

[vince56]

Look, he's a good player. I know that. He's probably the best receiver in the draft not named Roy Williams.
He's on pace for 75 catches and 762 yards. That's good stuff for a rookie receiver, I know that.

Given that we had Boldin, Johnson, Poole, I think he was a bad pick at #3 for what he brings to the table.

yeah, but if you can make 1 part of your team THE BEST IN THE LEAGUE and a WR set to be feared, do it. You've got years to rebuild the OL and get a RB. In fact, with as good as the D has turned out this year, the only positions we really have gaping holes at are (asuming Step develops in years 2 and 3):

RG
RT
DT
HB

That's it folks! Fix those 4 positions (which can be done with 1 season of FA and the draft), and we're contenders. Our defense is developing into a solid unit and if we can get a decent RB to complement the WRs, we should be on pace for an amazing year next year. This year is the developmental year. We all knew that months ago. There are going to be serious growing pains, and we need to see if young guys like Scobey, McCown, Stepanovich, Dockett, etc. can develop into solid players. If they can, we'll have a solid team very soon. If they can't, we'll only have a few more positions to fix in the offseason.

 

[SECTION 11]

Dear Cardinals --

Please give us a win this Sunday against the Saints so that we can put an end to this negative speculation of doom, destruction, and a 0-16 season.

Thanks.

Please. I'm damn excited about the season so spare me the drama.

I wouldn't have taken Fitzgerald at #3, and after three games and a training camp where he couldn't get free of strong safety, I still wouldn't have. So sue me.

Christ Almighty.

 

[vince56]

Perhaps, but he will be the best top 10 pick the Cardinals have had in the past 10 years (provided he stays away from strange trainers and human growth hormones).

...and telephones.

 

[Shane]

Look, he's a good player. I know that. He's probably the best receiver in the draft not named Roy Williams.
He's on pace for 75 catches and 762 yards. That's good stuff for a rookie receiver, I know that.

Given that we had Boldin, Johnson, Poole, I think he was a bad pick at #3 for what he brings to the table.

Now that I agree with.

 

[conraddobler]

And on the other side of that, we didn't need him we needed a running back, (And exactly who were you gonna take at that spot? Let me guess Stephen 'Man-love' Jackson?) he's overpaid,(Read the contract. If he gets half of those incentives this team will be rolling and you wont care.) he can't get open (even in college)(One of the truly ridiculous statements I have ever heard...of course he got open-constantly. Did you even watch any of his games?), he's allegedly loafing on routes(OK NEM jr. nice that you say that...where is that coming from SWD? Brilliant!), we already had him (Nate Poole) (if you truly believe that he isnt any better than Poole then you need to quit posting and wathc some football!), and most importantly, he has a huge amount of potential to be a problem in the locker room. Not by anything he personally does, but because he will always be Green's wildly overpaid guy, and my money's on others eventually resenting that fact.(Where in the world did this come from? S11 I am suprised at you. These are posts I dont expect from someone like you. Quit buying intlo what other people say and watch him. By all accounts he is the nicest most hard working guy in the world yet you have him as a locker room cancer? I am sorry but thats absurd!) And now we're stuck with a three receiver set that we can't use because we can't run on anyone.(And we could sue this 3 wr set if we had drafted who? Stephen Jackson? )[/QUOTE]


Weak S11....very weak!

Man that post could cause blindness it's just hard to read with the highlights and stuff.

I never liked the Fitzgerald pick because we have Boldin who is just as good in his own way or better with the ability to escape over the middle ala Jerry Rice.

This is just frustrating with Roy Williams on the board you trade down and take him.

Maybe we could have traded down and got an extra pick for someone like Cedric Cobbs who I think will be a good power back.

Seeing what Fitzgerald got as a contract I think it is totally appropriate to question something like him loafing on routes. He did hang around Moss you know and it's something he needs to address because several people are mentioning that and with his $ and considering the type of person we led to believe he was, strong work ethic great kid etc. Then for that kind of money I want his arse hustling every freaking down or we got seriously ripped!!!!

He needs his hustle cause he is all hands and no seperation it isn't like he is Moss that can beat you deep or catch it over your head he only has the catch it in a crowd part down and if he won't hustle for whatever reason he owes the Cardinals money back.

 

[SECTION 11]

RG
RT
DT
HB

I agree there. It's nice to know exactly what needs to be fixed, instead of "everything."
There's a big, fat, bright future here.

 

[pete]

Look, he's a good player. I know that. He's probably the best receiver in the draft not named Roy Williams.
He's on pace for 75 catches and 762 yards. That's good stuff for a rookie receiver, I know that.

Given that we had Boldin, Johnson, Poole, I think he was a bad pick at #3 for what he brings to the table.

Who are you going to take then? Sean Taylor? Already have Adrian Wilson. A QB? That QB would probably be playing no better than McCown but he'd only have BJ, Williams, and Poole to throw to right now. Gallery? With the play of our O line right now, maybe that would have been a good pick. Green took Fitz because he was the best available player and based on the results of this draft, that has proven to be a pretty good strategy.

My point is we've only seen him for 3 games so I think it is too early to be labeling him as anything. Remember Boston? Now there is a guy who looked lost as a rookie. Fitz looks way beyond where Boston was at this point in his career.

 

[Shane]

yeah, but if you can make 1 part of your team THE BEST IN THE LEAGUE and a WR set to be feared, do it. You've got years to rebuild the OL and get a RB. In fact, with as good as the D has turned out this year, the only positions we really have gaping holes at are (asuming Step develops in years 2 and 3):

RG
RT
DT
HB

That's it folks! Fix those 4 positions (which can be done with 1 season of FA and the draft), and we're contenders. Our defense is developing into a solid unit and if we can get a decent RB to complement the WRs, we should be on pace for an amazing year next year. This year is the developmental year. We all knew that months ago. There are going to be serious growing pains, and we need to see if young guys like Scobey, McCown, Stepanovich, Dockett, etc. can develop into solid players. If they can, we'll have a solid team very soon. If they can't, we'll only have a few more positions to fix in the offseason.

Thast awhole lot of ifs vince. Also it isnt just the O that needs work. The D also need to have some more players brought in. They simply give up to much yardage to say they are where they need to be.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Please. I'm damn excited about the season so spare me the drama.

I wouldn't have taken Fitzgerald at #3, and after three games and a training camp where he couldn't get free of strong safety, I still wouldn't have. So sue me.

Christ Almighty.

If I could sue you for this I would....It isnt that you dont like him, I could care less if you do, but buying into that loafing crap, and cant get open in college, blah blah blah is just well, crap. Its just not true.

 

[vince56]

I agree there. It's nice to know exactly what needs to be fixed, instead of "everything."
There's a big, fat, bright future here.

It's nice for a change, isn't it? I love the fact this team is competitive. Watching Dockett's reaction to the instant replay this week...when it was determined that he forced a fumble on Vick... I haven't seen a Cards player that excited in years. YEARS. I was pumped, and honestly thought we'd win the game after that.