Spiderman has a heart problem??

[Shane]

Who are you going to take then? Sean Taylor? Already have Adrian Wilson. A QB? That QB would probably be playing no better than McCown but he'd only have BJ, Williams, and Poole to throw to right now. Gallery? With the play of our O line right now, maybe that would have been a good pick. Green took Fitz because he was the best available player and based on the results of this draft, that has proven to be a pretty good strategy.

My point is we've only seen him for 3 games so I think it is too early to be labeling him as anything. Remember Boston? Now there is a guy who looked lost as a rookie. Fitz looks way beyond where Boston was at this point in his career.

The offers were there. We should have traded down and grabbed Roy William. A WR that actually fits this teams needs.

 

[SECTION 11]

Who are you going to take then?

Anyone else want to answer this for me?


I would have traded down and taken Steven Jackson. In a heartbeat.

Look at the value Green got out of our first day picks. Imagine a couple more over this year and next year.

 

[clif]

Look, he's a good player. I know that. He's probably the best receiver in the draft not named Roy Williams.
He's on pace for 75 catches and 762 yards. That's good stuff for a rookie receiver, I know that.

Given that we had Boldin, Johnson, Poole, I think he was a bad pick at #3 for what he brings to the table.

which was more of glaring need at the time? WR or RB. I would say the more glaring one was WR.. where you had a probowler and then...... RB you had Shipp coming off a near 1000 yard year even after not even starting all 16.

 

[BACH]

Here's what Green said about Larry the day we picked him:
"He's that massive combination of everything you want to have," Green said. "The next thing is the intangibles. He loves the game. He has great passion for the game. He plays with a high level of intensity. He plays hard. He plays smart. He plays very, very physical. I think he is ideally suited from our offense."

even Graves said the pick was unanimous on the staff, and that the Cards were terrifed that Jax was going to move ahead of us with Oakland and had they done so, would have taken Fitz. Gotta wonder who we take then, Gallery or Roy Williams or Taylor?

Green already stated that in an interview on Sporting News Radio. 1. Fitz, 2. Sean Taylor, 3. Kellen Winslow

BTW I like the Fitz - Keyshawn comparison. I think that's the realistic picture of what we can expect in the future from Fitz. But I don't see that that as something negative. Keyshawn is ont of the best receivers when it comes to route running, hands, jumping and blocking, but he lacks deep speed. Only problem with Keyshawn is the size of his mouth. Ignore that and focus purely on his production on the field. Who does he remind you of? (Hint: Best WR ever playing his last year in the league)

 

[clif]

The offers were there. We should have traded down and grabbed Roy William. A WR that actually fits this teams needs.

traded down and watched another team jump up to grab him?

You know if they did that then Jacksonville and Detroit would have gotten what they wanted while the cards have to settle for a lesser player.

 

[pete]

Anyone else want to answer this for me?


I would have traded down and taken Steven Jackson. In a heartbeat.

Look at the value Green got out of our first day picks. Imagine a couple more over this year and next year.

Really? Let's look at their rookie debuts.

Fitz - Makes a beautiful, leaping catch on his first NFL play.

Jackson - Fumbles.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Man that post could cause blindness it's just hard to read with the highlights and stuff.

I never liked the Fitzgerald pick because we have Boldin who is just as good in his own way or better with the ability to escape over the middle ala Jerry Rice.

This is just frustrating with Roy Williams on the board you trade down and take him.

Maybe we could have traded down and got an extra pick for someone like Cedric Cobbs who I think will be a good power back.

Seeing what Fitzgerald got as a contract I think it is totally appropriate to question something like him loafing on routes. He did hang around Moss you know and it's something he needs to address because several people are mentioning that and with his $ and considering the type of person we led to believe he was, strong work ethic great kid etc. Then for that kind of money I want his arse hustling every freaking down or we got seriously ripped!!!!

He needs his hustle cause he is all hands and no seperation it isn't like he is Moss that can beat you deep or catch it over your head he only has the catch it in a crowd part down and if he won't hustle for whatever reason he owes the Cardinals money back.

Sorry for the confusing post....

I dont agree that people should be able to questions is heart from someone who throws it out on a message board. now all year we will hear some idiot claim "Fitzgeral loafs on his routes" when there is zero evidence to suggest that.

His cotnract is fine. The reason is that it is fukll of escellators. He will pull in what $12-15 million guanateed and if he makes those other escellators he will make the big money. Which is fine b/c if he makes the pro bowl 3 times or leads the league in receptions for 3 out of 4 years no one will be bitching at all!

I wont address the hanging around Moss thing. I think it is a very weak arguement. Pennington hung around Moss...think he loafs?

 

[Shane]

Really? Let's look at their rookie debuts.

Fitz - Makes a beautiful, leaping catch on his first NFL play.

Jackson - Fumbles.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? I didnt want Steven Jackson but that line of debate is just stupid!

 

[vince56]

Thast awhole lot of ifs vince. Also it isnt just the O that needs work. The D also need to have some more players brought in. They simply give up to much yardage to say they are where they need to be.

Yeah, but there's always "ifs" in the NFL. Every team takes risks. Of Green's first draft, it looks like Fitz, Dansby, and Dockett are gonna be badassed players. Stepanovich looks like a true rookie center. It would be nice to have him learning from a guy like Kendall, but maybe he'll be that much better having learned on his own, being thrown to the wolves. If he had a solid set of guards next to him, maybe we wouldn't be so hard on him.

As for the D, they do give up too much yardage and big plays, I hear ya, but the secondary looks pretty set. All 4 of them have played well, especially Wilson (who's not a ******* anymore, yay!). The linebackers look good, especially Dansby, and when Thompson gets back you'll probably see some of those long runs end before they get started. The defensive line looks better than I've seen in years. Berry's a solid pro, Dockett looks studly for a rookie, and the Zellner/Pace combo at LDE looks pretty good too. What we need is a big fat ass DL to sit at the nose position and clog the lane. Not a big weak fat guy like Barron Tanner, but a big strong fat guy like Ted Washington, Keith Traylor, Vince Wilfork, Norman Hand, Warren Sapp, etc.

That's make this defense pretty damn good, adding only 1 guy.

 

[SECTION 11]

Its just not true.

He hasn't caught a single freaking pass without somebody draped all over him!
He had to fight off two defenders on a flea flicker!

Last two minutes of each half through three games, zero catches.
Fourth quarter within seven points, zero catches.

 

[conraddobler]

Green already stated that in an interview on Sporting News Radio. 1. Fitz, 2. Sean Taylor, 3. Kellen Winslow

BTW I like the Fitz - Keyshawn comparison. I think that's the realistic picture of what we can expect in the future from Fitz. But I don't see that that as something negative. Keyshawn is ont of the best receivers when it comes to route running, hands, jumping and blocking, but he lacks deep speed. Only problem with Keyshawn is the size of his mouth. Ignore that and focus purely on his production on the field. Who does he remind you of? (Hint: Best WR ever playing his last year in the league)

You mean Jerry Rice, emmmm no that would be BOLDIN, Fitz is nothing like Moss cause he isn't ever going to outrun our out muscle CB's. He is going to end up exactly where he catches the ball every time.

He'll be great in the endzone but he isn't going to ever go over the middle and just keep running by people he's going to get tackled.

Roy Williams with Boldin and Poole would have been perfect, Poole and Boldin as good third down choices with Williams kicking your butt deep.

It was perfect and we could have also traded down to get more value.

This Fitz thing is starting to really aggravate me more every day just because we signed the kid to a ridiculous contract and he has no touchdowns just like Josh.

 

[pete]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? I didnt want Steven Jackson but that line of debate is just stupid!

First impressions are everything!

 

[SECTION 11]

which was more of glaring need at the time? WR or RB. I would say the more glaring one was WR.. where you had a probowler and then...... RB you had Shipp coming off a near 1000 yard year even after not even starting all 16.

And this line of thinking has done wonders for our inexperienced QB.
Make McCown make plays because we can't run. Brilliant.

RB was a bigger need with Shipp or without him, as Shipp isn't all that spectacular.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Anyone else want to answer this for me?


I would have traded down and taken Steven Jackson. In a heartbeat.

Look at the value Green got out of our first day picks. Imagine a couple more over this year and next year.

And that would have gotten us what , all of his total of 12 rushes hes gotten this year? Considering he is backing up a guy averaging 64 yards a game -which includes 20 yards against Atlanta and 44 against NO-you'd think if he were so damn NFL ready he would be playing already wouldnt he??

 

[pete]

He hasn't caught a single freaking pass without somebody draped all over him!
He had to fight off two defenders on a flea flicker!

Perhaps because the ball was underthrown? We should feel really bad for having a player who can go up, fiight off two DBs, and come down with the ball on his first NFL play.

 

[SECTION 11]

And that would have gotten us what , all of his total of 12 rushes hes gotten this year? Considering he is backing up a guy averaging 64 yards a game -which includes 20 yards against Atlanta and 44 against NO-you'd think if he were so damn NFL ready he would be playing already wouldnt he??

In Arizona? Yeah, he'd be playing. A lot.

 

[Shane]

I wont address the hanging around Moss thing. I think it is a very weak arguement. Pennington hung around Moss...think he loafs?

Different animal entirely. Fitz grew up around Moss and it would not be unheard of if a kid of that age grew up trying to emulate him.

Pennington didnt grow up around Moss and had his own buzz about him when he was in college.

I agree though there is no proof of him loafing per say. But I also dont buy that his ankle is still bothering him. There are absolutely no signs of that!

 

[vince56]

He hasn't caught a single freaking pass without somebody draped all over him!
He had to fight off two defenders on a flea flicker!

Are you forgetting that he beat future hall-of-famer Aeneas Williams on that play... his first play in the NFL. He looked pretty good the rest of the game as well.

As for him not getting the ball in crunch time, McCown's pansy-assed dump-offs are the problem. I'm sure at least 2-3 times a game he has either Fitz or Johnson running deep, but he's scared to throw the ball to them, so he dumps it off to Scobey (watch the 2 minute drill at the end of the 1st half against the Rams).

McCown needs to grow some balls IMO. He could be a great one. His passes on Sunday were fantastic. Now put 'em about 10 yards deeper, Josh.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

He hasn't caught a single freaking pass without somebody draped all over him!
He had to fight off two defenders on a flea flicker!

Last two minutes of each half through three games, zero catches.
Fourth quarter within seven points, zero catches.

That tells you what? That he cant get seperation? Puhllease. Williams is fast and hes defenders all over him. BJ has speed and so does he. It has everything to do with the way defenses play the one dimensional Cardinals and nothing to do with seperation.

 

[SECTION 11]

Perhaps because the ball was underthrown? We should feel really bad for having a player who can go up, fiight off two DBs, and come down with the ball on his first NFL play.

And his other 13 grabs?

This isn't new news here. The same issue was brought up in college.

 

[Shane]

And that would have gotten us what , all of his total of 12 rushes hes gotten this year? Considering he is backing up a guy averaging 64 yards a game -which includes 20 yards against Atlanta and 44 against NO-you'd think if he were so damn NFL ready he would be playing already wouldnt he??

Also a weak argument bro. We all know that when you have a HOF RB sitting in fron of you that you arent going to get the carries.

 

[SECTION 11]

It has everything to do with the way defenses play the one dimensional Cardinals and nothing to do with seperation.

There it is, right there.

Seperation is merely fuel on the fire.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

In Arizona? Yeah, he'd be playing. A lot.

Yeah but I am thinking about trying out for RB witht he Cards. OF course he would be playing, I am just wondering how effective and NFL ready he is if he cant get more than 4 carries a game from a team whose starting RB had 20 and 44 yards total the last 2 games?

 

[vince56]

There it is, right there.

Seperation is merely fuel on the fire.

Agreed. Emmitt Smith running to his right behind Anthony Clement isn't going to strike fear into anyone. If I was the strongside backer, I'd be frothing at the mouth, waiting for that play.

 

[Pariah]

which was more of glaring need at the time? WR or RB.

RB.

We took a WR in the first and second rounds last year, one of which went to the probowl, another who seems to be improving and probably solid and a handfull of 3rd WRs that play with heart. At RB we had a guy that had proven he couldn't stay healthy (surprise, he gets hurt in preseason), an overthehill HOFer and a couple of 3rd down backs (one of whom was coming off a life-threatening car accident).

Yeah, I'd say RB was a greater need in a heartbeat. But, there is something to be said about making your strengths strong enough to be dominating, but I don't think we'll see the fruits of that decision until we get a true threat out of the backfield.