Steve Wilks: Cardinals will be “very aggressive” in finding a quarterback

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Yes I noted also a different keim that time
At this point we should expect michael bidwill making the pick in the 1st round

Im sure keim wanted to stick with bettcher and having bruce arians as advisor

I think Keim wanted to take a chance on a young guy...make a splash sign(if it worked obviously)... much like the Lambs did.... JDF's name was bouncing around a lot,...then suddenly he just dropped off the radar, even though early on their was talk of him being on Wilks' staff as OC before we ever interviewed.

Usually the rumors about a coaches staff precede their hiring because they have already talked with those guys and agreed... but in this case all the rumors were true in regards to Wilks staff except for DeFillipo...... I am thinking maybe SK gave him high hopes and then Mike over ruled him and hired Wilks, thus...pissing JDF off and he refused to come here and be OC...so they hired McCoy.

Purely speculation on my part obviously.

But SK was not happy in the coach introduction presser, that was obvious...
good chance all that is directly why Mike followed up by extending SK's contract... to try and smooth the waters and instill a sense of faith and confidence in Keim
 

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I think Keim wanted to take a chance on a young guy...make a splash sign(if it worked obviously)... much like the Lambs did.... JDF's name was bouncing around a lot,...then suddenly he just dropped off the radar, even though early on their was talk of him being on Wilks' staff as OC before we ever interviewed.

Usually the rumors about a coaches staff precede their hiring because they have already talked with those guys and agreed... but in this case all the rumors were true in regards to Wilks staff except for DeFillipo...... I am thinking maybe SK gave him high hopes and then Mike over ruled him and hired Wilks, thus...pissing JDF off and he refused to come here and be OC...so they hired McCoy.

Purely speculation on my part obviously.

But SK was not happy in the coach introduction presser, that was obvious...
good chance all that is directly why Mike followed up by extending SK's contract... to try and smooth the waters and instill a sense of faith and confidence in Keim

Good read that is feasible, oaken1. But, SK's sour mood goes back to BA's retirement press conference, which was very curious in a few ways---first that BA elected not to take any questions (very unlike him)---yes, of course he was choked up, but he was very chummy with the media for 5 years and it seemed like BA did not want to risk hinting at the real reason why he retired.

if anyone believes it was for family reasons, there is some swamp land in Louisiana for sale at $5 an acre.

My theory is that MB wanted BA to retire last year in light of his health scares and how stressed he was throughout the season. BA did not want to go out on a losing record and thus reached a compromise with MB that MB would allow him to return with the understanding that BA would retire (with a severance package) following the 2017 season.

MB and BA agreed that it was important to make this look like it was BA's decision, and not a forced one. Thus, despite a bit of a leak/rumor in October reported by Channel 5 that this was going to be BA's last year, the speculation went right down to the wire with BA fielding questions about it and then making his tearful announcement to the team right after the last game and then to the media the following day.

In essence BA was betting on himself and that if the team rebounded well from the disappointing 7-8-1 season that MB would reconsider and keep him and his staff on for 2018. When the rebound did not happen this year and players started dropping like flies, BA started accepting that he wasn't going to be able to change MB's mind or the agreement they had. One might imagine that BA tried to reopen the conversation with MB, but to no avail. MB remained too worried about BA's health and wanted to make sure that BA did the right thing.

Meanwhile, Steve Keim found himself in a very precarious position, because of the strong allegiance to both MB and BA. Keim wasn't happy about BA retiring, although he totally understood MB's stance. One might imagine that BA and SK had a few heart to heart conversations about it and that Keim, whom BA called his "little brother" was highly sympathetic toward BA and knew how badly BA wanted to stay on as coach. Keim may have gone a few times to MB to try to persuade him to let BA finish out his contract, but, again, MB wasn't going to budge. Imagine the fear and worry an owner would have of his coach suffering a heart attack in practice or on the sideline during a game. Those fears in MB were profound and impossible to allay or put aside.

If anyone remembers MB and SK's press conference that immediately followed BA's tearful retirement presser---it was very awkward to say the least. MB looked elated and almost giddy with excitement, while Keim looked as somber as if he had just lost his best friend.

Keim was not going to look elated at that press conference or at Wilks' introductory press conference out of allegiance to BA.

if you noticed---at Wilks' press conference---BA was not mentioned, not even once.

It was noteworthy that Wilks talked liked he had been extremely well versed in the exact changes and conditions that Michael Bidwill discussed with and commissioned from Wilks before Wilks accepted the job. Bidwill clearly wants a more diligent day to day approach and preparation, a staff of coaches who will "relate" to the players and not denigrate or belittle them (so as to improve player development), a higher level of player and coach accountability (one can imagine that Wilks has already agreed that if one of his coordinators is failing badly then he will need to be replaced asap---interssting too that they only signed Mike McCoy to a 2 year deal that feels like a "prove it" deal), that the players play with a passion and "physicality" every week, be it at home or on the road.

Bidwill has taken the bull by the horns and everything we are seeing, from BA's retirement to Wilks' hiring to SK's contract extension has been orchestrated by Bidwill as part of a strong, detailed blueprint as to how things are going to go from now on. The fact that Bidwill elected to give Steve Keim a contract extension through 2022, when Keim still had 2 years left on his existing deal basically was a statement that Keim was not to blame for the shortcomings of the past two years. Bidwill recognizes and respects how close Keim was to BA and how difficult it was to see BA go, but Bidwill wanted Keim to know how much he appreciates Keim's professionalism, loyalty and perseverance.
 
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Enjoy some of the takes on the BA-SK-MB-SW dynamics posted by several posters (even when my own read is different).

The full Intro Press conference for new HC SW is posted on Facebook (media link will not post here??). Do a websearch on "CARDINALS PRESS CONFERENCE TO INTRODUCE STEVE WILKS AS HEAD COACH."

There are other views of this conference posted with the above having most of the focus on the guy holding the podium---some others show more of the seating at the main table and how MB and SK's body language is working.

Some impressions watching this again:

  1. SW did an impressive job of holding the podium and answering questions without notes or teleprompter. Note how smooth he responds to media questions and has his answer as soon as the the questioner ends. Let's hope is not overrehearsed but can indeed respond in real time as the situation changes.
  2. MB was at the podium for over 4 minutes trying to explain the process and all the hoops he and SK jumped over to hire SW. Perhaps a little too much effort to convince everyone that SW was 'the guy.' Our media is very polite in these meetings---no one asked "How many guys did like Schurmer (sp) and reject the job and/or second interview?'
  3. MB is happy with SW at the podium, smiles, is turned toward SW as he talks. SK on the other hand is looking straight ahead with little emotion. SK doesn't look too involved or pleased. Now that can be how SK looks without implying any meaning to the body language---but note the difference in the chemistry between BA and SK in some of their pressers. Check out SK at the end of the discussion when SW's family takes the stage for a family portrait with the son trying to hold up a Card's helmet (around minute 33). SK is off to the side checking his phone messages and not engaged in the happy moment for SW and his family. The only other person who appears as disinterested as SK is SW's older daughter who looks pretty upset she is having to move to the desert. SK didn't bother to put on his dress shoes for SW's big event---he's in clown sneakers.
  4. Listen to SW's comments---is he accepting the HC job or is he accepting the GM job? Perhaps MB has changed the dynamics between the two positions with the new HC getting more real say and not just input (contrary to my earlier read in this post).
  5. Real hard for the new guy to come in and set his agenda going forward---when he says things like 'physicality' and 'being smart' as his operating principles it is almost like he is saying the previous HC and staff weren't doing those things. Also, BA's vulgar language was probably a huge minus for plenty of players---you get a lot of NFL players with a strong religious background and family values and a Mother who would wash out their mouth with a bar of soap if they talked like BA did to his players. SW did not have a single curse word or bawdy reference in his entire press conference. BA went out of his way to use vulgar comments to show he was 'one of the guys.' SW is making the opposite statement---he's letting everyone know there is a no-nonsense guy with HC in front of his name.
  6. SK has flat emotional response to questions directed at him by the media. He 'says' the right things but there is little conviction in his emotional content. When asked about a meeting between SW and SK at a vacation resort, SK reponds "He didn't even buy me a beer." The line got a laugh--but it is also passive-aggressive and there is some hostility in that kind of comment.
The really big dog in the room is MB. He's going to be the one to whack the other two alpha dogs into place and decide how the dog biscuits get passed around. MB needs to be direct in how the organization is structured and who is doing what. We need SK and SW to focus on success on the field, not the human drama over who is going to be one up over the other. Both guys have contracts of similar length---a clear message that they need to get along for the duration and a good move by MB.
 
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Holy speculation, @oaken1 and @Mitch!

As far as JDF goes, I can't blame him for not wanting to come here, as I wouldn't want to be second fiddle in a job I interviewed for either. If I interviewed for a VP position and was offered to be a Director, I'd turn that down in a heartbeat. The opportunity to work with an established coach that just made it to the NFC Championship game would be a bonus as well.

But what I don't see is MB ruling over the process with an iron fist. Last year, we may have been enamored with McVay, but it's pretty clear that no team at the end of the day found JDF to be the most qualified candidate for their head coaching job.

As far as SK looking sad, and not being happy-go-lucky, I'd just look at that as a business-like approach to the whole thing. Clearly, SK's early legacy was pinned to Bruce Arians. They got along well, they had a similar mindset, I think we'd all be unhappy to see a treasured coworker leave after 5 relatively successful years on the job. You have to move on, and although you don't know your new employee/coworker all that well yet, there isn't the same excitement as the guy that got you there, and having to restart your relationship and department all over again.

I don't see anything that forced BA out besides his declining health and aging family. It's hard enough to work those extreme hours when you're young and have energy. At that late stage in the game, it's all but impossible.
 

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i've seen Keim speak at many press conferences and interviews. Additionally I have seen him up close in person several times talking to Club Seat members. His demeanor is always business like and I just don't see him cracking jokes or actually smiling very much at least not in public. On the other hand, Michael Bidwilll does very well with the public. He is a natural at public speaking. I think some of you read to much into how they look and perform at press conferences.
 

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But SK was not happy in the coach introduction presser, that was obvious...
good chance all that is directly why Mike followed up by extending SK's contract... to try and smooth the waters and instill a sense of faith and confidence in Keim

Or he was just upset that he didn't get to introduce the new coach...:shrug:
 

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I am interested in seeing how the dynamics play out. I am fairly certain Mike B over ruled Keim and hired Wilks against SK's wishes...
it is the only thing that explains how uncomfortable SK looked at the press conference and why Mike B spent so much time praising his GM when he was there to introduce his coach.
Interesting. Did not see the presser and made the assumption that it was a past Panther connection.
 

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I think Steve Keim is very pleased with Wilks. Whatever happened in MB's and SK's interview with John DeFilippo turned them off. I heard that the same thing happened with the Bears, the interview did not go well. And now knowing MB's agenda, JDF was not the right coach.

I think Mike Munchak was Keim's #1 choice---many many common bonds. I think MB was on board as well, because Munchak is the kind of no nonsense coach MB was looking for. However, I think the Cardinals made out better with Steve Wilks. He's assembled a very good staff and he is driven to succeed. It may take some time---but he and his staff are going to have the Cardinals coming out swinging.
 

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It's fun to imagine what motives and actions were taken and why. My two cents is that BA was sorta forced out but it didn't take much of a push. Mike B. is on record on liking how SW is bringing a certain assertive culture to the team.

I really liked BA and his open and honest communication style. I don't care if he ruffled feathers or "hurt" players feelings, that didn't work against Parcells. I am ready for SW's style and fierce business like attitude and hope it does take things to a higher level.
 

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This thread should be renamed, "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions" or "Projecting our own thoughts onto others via creative body language interpretation."

Maybe Bidwill just got laid the morning of the press conference and Keim was constipated from a couple weeks of rich meals wining and dining the HC Candidates.

I'm confident that Bidwill & Keim came to a mutual team decision on Wilks, and that Bidwill would not have hired someone that Keim didn't like, then give Keim an extension as some bizarre form of "appeasement". How incredibly dysfunctional that would be!

The preponderance of actual evidence is that Bidwill gave Keim an extension because he is pleased with the job Keim has done and enjoys working together to come to "Cardinals" decisions, and that hiring Wilks was one of those decisions.

As for Bidwill or players being turned off by Arians' vulgar language, Bidwill has joked about bonding with Arians over the dinner where Arians used the 'F' word as a noun, verb, and adjective. And locker rooms are probably the last place where anyone would be surprised or offended by vulgar language.

I could go on but I guess there's no point debating baseless conspiracy theories with true believers.

FYI, you body language experts might enjoy comparing and contrasting with Arians' introductory presser. Check Keim's expression at the 17:00 mark and his "excitement" when he answers questions a bit later.

...dbs
 

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This thread should be renamed, "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions" or "Projecting our own thoughts onto others via creative body language interpretation."

Maybe Bidwill just got laid the morning of the press conference and Keim was constipated from a couple weeks of rich meals wining and dining the HC Candidates.

I'm confident that Bidwill & Keim came to a mutual team decision on Wilks, and that Bidwill would not have hired someone that Keim didn't like, then give Keim an extension as some bizarre form of "appeasement". How incredibly dysfunctional that would be!

The preponderance of actual evidence is that Bidwill gave Keim an extension because he is pleased with the job Keim has done and enjoys working together to come to "Cardinals" decisions, and that hiring Wilks was one of those decisions.

As for Bidwill or players being turned off by Arians' vulgar language, Bidwill has joked about bonding with Arians over the dinner where Arians used the 'F' word as a noun, verb, and adjective. And locker rooms are probably the last place where anyone would be surprised or offended by vulgar language.

I could go on but I guess there's no point debating baseless conspiracy theories with true believers.

FYI, you body language experts might enjoy comparing and contrasting with Arians' introductory presser. Check Keim's expression at the 17:00 mark and his "excitement" when he answers questions a bit later.

...dbs

Well said...
 

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This thread should be renamed, "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions" or "Projecting our own thoughts onto others via creative body language interpretation."

Maybe Bidwill just got laid the morning of the press conference and Keim was constipated from a couple weeks of rich meals wining and dining the HC Candidates.

I'm confident that Bidwill & Keim came to a mutual team decision on Wilks, and that Bidwill would not have hired someone that Keim didn't like, then give Keim an extension as some bizarre form of "appeasement". How incredibly dysfunctional that would be!

The preponderance of actual evidence is that Bidwill gave Keim an extension because he is pleased with the job Keim has done and enjoys working together to come to "Cardinals" decisions, and that hiring Wilks was one of those decisions.

As for Bidwill or players being turned off by Arians' vulgar language, Bidwill has joked about bonding with Arians over the dinner where Arians used the 'F' word as a noun, verb, and adjective. And locker rooms are probably the last place where anyone would be surprised or offended by vulgar language.

I could go on but I guess there's no point debating baseless conspiracy theories with true believers.

FYI, you body language experts might enjoy comparing and contrasting with Arians' introductory presser. Check Keim's expression at the 17:00 mark and his "excitement" when he answers questions a bit later.

...dbs
Man, I wish I could express myself like that!
 

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This thread should be renamed, "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions" or "Projecting our own thoughts onto others via creative body language interpretation."

Maybe Bidwill just got laid the morning of the press conference and Keim was constipated from a couple weeks of rich meals wining and dining the HC Candidates.

I'm confident that Bidwill & Keim came to a mutual team decision on Wilks, and that Bidwill would not have hired someone that Keim didn't like, then give Keim an extension as some bizarre form of "appeasement". How incredibly dysfunctional that would be!

The preponderance of actual evidence is that Bidwill gave Keim an extension because he is pleased with the job Keim has done and enjoys working together to come to "Cardinals" decisions, and that hiring Wilks was one of those decisions.

As for Bidwill or players being turned off by Arians' vulgar language, Bidwill has joked about bonding with Arians over the dinner where Arians used the 'F' word as a noun, verb, and adjective. And locker rooms are probably the last place where anyone would be surprised or offended by vulgar language.

I could go on but I guess there's no point debating baseless conspiracy theories with true believers.

FYI, you body language experts might enjoy comparing and contrasting with Arians' introductory presser. Check Keim's expression at the 17:00 mark and his "excitement" when he answers questions a bit later.

...dbs

Great post!
 

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Tune into non-verbal communications and gain a greater understanding of human behavior. Ignore or ridicule at your own risk.

If you don't believe me, check with crime investigators, your dog, and your spouse on the importance of body language.
 

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What I read is the Cardinals are going to draft a quarterback. Hooray!
 

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For those with intellectual curiosity about non-verbal communication and body language, there is a wealth of material on Youtube. See for example anything by Joe Navarro. Also, a long documentary (2 hours) from the History Channel "Top Secrets about Body Language Full Documentary."

There's a reason our new coach Steve Wilks came across as a strong leader---watch his body language and presentation at the podium. He spoke in coach-speak cliches but his non-verbal communication showed the authority he will employ as HC.
 
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I like the hiring of Wilks and I also am a Keim fan. However, IMO it's on Keim that we don't have a qb ready to take Palmer's place.

I've said this a dozen times here.... If BA's offense was truly as complicated as described (honestly..I never saw it)

Palmer's understudy should have been here at least 2 years ago.

That's a colossal GM failure IMHO.
 

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With that being said and how much say; we need to see who is mobile out there and that's who the Cards will be targeting. Keenum, Taylor, Bridgewater and other mobile wbs out there?

I actually think Bridgewater is a fascinating option, Devon. Good call. The other day I heard someone mention the possibility that the Cardinals would sign Bridgewater to a small one year prove it deal. He obviously has been on the sideline for a very long time, and thus haven’t thrown a pass in a game for just as long, so nobody really knows what he can do nowadays. When he was at his best, though, he was really good. Sign him, draft a guy in the first round either via a trade up, trade down or at #15, and then let them compete in training camp. I don’t really see the downside if they can get Bridgewater for cheap.
 

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Would our 1st, Honeybadger, and both 3rds be enough to move into top 5?
 

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Would our 1st, Honeybadger, and both 3rds be enough to move into top 5?

Honey Badger is NOT a piece teams are going to salivate over in trades. I can't remember who came up with that idea, but it is patently ridiculous. I mean, I WISH this would be enough, but take out HB, add in a few firsts, and then yes, we could do it.
 

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This thread should be renamed, "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions" or "Projecting our own thoughts onto others via creative body language interpretation."

Maybe Bidwill just got laid the morning of the press conference and Keim was constipated from a couple weeks of rich meals wining and dining the HC Candidates.

I'm confident that Bidwill & Keim came to a mutual team decision on Wilks, and that Bidwill would not have hired someone that Keim didn't like, then give Keim an extension as some bizarre form of "appeasement". How incredibly dysfunctional that would be!

The preponderance of actual evidence is that Bidwill gave Keim an extension because he is pleased with the job Keim has done and enjoys working together to come to "Cardinals" decisions, and that hiring Wilks was one of those decisions.

As for Bidwill or players being turned off by Arians' vulgar language, Bidwill has joked about bonding with Arians over the dinner where Arians used the 'F' word as a noun, verb, and adjective. And locker rooms are probably the last place where anyone would be surprised or offended by vulgar language.

I could go on but I guess there's no point debating baseless conspiracy theories with true believers.

FYI, you body language experts might enjoy comparing and contrasting with Arians' introductory presser. Check Keim's expression at the 17:00 mark and his "excitement" when he answers questions a bit later.

...dbs

Funny that you ridiculed oaken and my posts for being speculative and then went ahead and offered some speculation yourself. A little contradictory, isn't it?

The point is---pretty much all of what we can do right now is speculate. What else are we going to talk about?

Even the Cardinals' Insider, MJ, has been relegated to speculation because no one is telling him jack squat...other than the obvious. He's had to text and call agents and players to try to dig up some dirt---and players and agents don't know what's going on.

I don't think what i or oaken wrote is a "wild fantasy from the nether world". And when you or anyone else condescend ("you body language experts") and ridicule posts and posters like this, you are suggesting that people should just shut the f up, drive squarely down the middle of the road and stick exclusively to what you and the mainstream consider a "preponderance of evidence"---even when there really is no preponderance of evidence, which is why some of us are speculating in the first place.

If everyone just wrote to appease the mainstream---how vanilla and mundane would this board be?
 

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Mitch,

No need to react to criticisms of the approach that you, Oaken1, et. al and I take when looking at the dynamics of the Cards front office and speculation on how the different principles are interacting.

A few weeks ago I posted a link to the Myers-Briggs Personality Inventory. You and Oaken1 jumped on the quiz and we had a good conversation on how the quiz highlighted our personality types. Is it any wonder then that the three of us of also sharing our interest in concepts like non-verbal communication and body language in order to understand what is going on inside the Cards Front Office?

The other big takeaway from the Myers-Briggs is that there are many personality types that are just looking at the world through a different set of lenses. Disagreements and clashes happen. So when Daves (and others) are critical of our speculations—they are just being true to their personality type just as we are being true to ours.

It has taken me many years to appreciate just how annoying to others I can be. I’ve also learned that I’m content to be myself at the cost of annoying others who do want to accept what I have to say or think or my presentation style. Check the number of forum members who simply post one or two word answers in response to a topic and contrast that to you, Oaken1, and myself who compose page long dissertations on any and all topics. That really grates on the one-worders—which leads to the sarcasm and verbal attacks. We even had AZ Native post a one-sentence response that " . . . wish I could express myself like that!" in agreement with daves comments. Interesting that his tag line under his avatar is 'Living is easy with eyes closed.' I think that is a line from the Beatles 'Strawberry Fields' that continues 'Misuderstanding all you see."

The best to hope for is to share our interests and point others in the direction and invite them to join in the intellectual discovery. That’s how to switch the debate—acknowledge and accept that we are all different but can share ideas and disagree without rancor. And, if some want to pursue anger, that's on them.

Here’s the Myers-Briggs link to the ‘16 Personalities Quiz’ again:
https://www.16personalities.com/

There’s a two-hour documentary on Non-verbals from the History Channel posted on Youtube as well as talks by FBI profiler Joe Navarro. The science on non-verbal communication and body language is mainstream knowledge and should be something everyone appreciates.
 

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Mitch,

No need to react to criticisms of the approach that you, Oaken1, et. al and I take when looking at the dynamics of the Cards front office and speculation on how the different principles are interacting.

A few weeks ago I posted a link to the Myers-Briggs Personality Inventory. You and Oaken1 jumped on the quiz and we had a good conversation on how the quiz highlighted our personality types. Is it any wonder then that the three of us of also sharing our interest in concepts like non-verbal communication and body language in order to understand what is going on inside the Cards Front Office?

The other big takeaway from the Myers-Briggs is that there are many personality types that are just looking at the world through a different set of lenses. Disagreements and clashes happen. So when Daves (and others) are critical of our speculations—they are just being true to their personality type just as we are being true to ours.

It has taken me many years to appreciate just how annoying to others I can be. I’ve also learned that I’m content to be myself at the cost of annoying others who do want to accept what I have to say or think or my presentation style. Check the number of forum members who simply post one or two word answers in response to a topic and contrast that to you, Oaken1, and myself who compose page long dissertations on any and all topics. That really grates on the one-worders—which leads to the sarcasm and verbal attacks. We even had AZ Native post a one-sentence response that " . . . wish I could express myself like that!" in agreement with daves comments. Interesting that his tag line under his avatar is 'Living is easy with eyes closed.' I think that is a line from the Beatles 'Strawberry Fields' that continues 'Misuderstanding all you see."

The best to hope for is to share our interests and point others in the direction and invite them to join in the intellectual discovery. That’s how to switch the debate—acknowledge and accept that we are all different but can share ideas and disagree without rancor. And, if some want to pursue anger, that's on them.

Here’s the Myers-Briggs link to the ‘16 Personalities Quiz’ again:
https://www.16personalities.com/

There’s a two-hour documentary on Non-verbals from the History Channel posted on Youtube as well as talks by FBI profiler Joe Navarro. The science on non-verbal communication and body language is mainstream knowledge and should be something everyone appreciates.
Hey... we all have a bit of the Dunning-Kruger effect in us. :idea: :thumbup:
 

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