Steve Wilks: Cardinals will be “very aggressive” in finding a quarterback

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I've played all clips I can of Wilks and I've heard him say he prefers a mobile QB like Cam, that can create plays when pockets collapse and create and the Cards have A line problem . With that being said and how much say; we need to see who is mobile out there and that's who the Cards will be targeting. Keenum, Taylor, Bridgewater and other mobile wbs out there?

I’ve seen a few mention bridgewatwr as a mobile QB. I don’t think he is. Don’t be confused because he’s african American. I don’t think he’s a runner by nature. Is he more mobile than carson? Sure, but so is a fire hydrant.

 

[Solar7]

Funny that you ridiculed oaken and my posts for being speculative and then went ahead and offered some speculation yourself. A little contradictory, isn't it?

The point is---pretty much all of what we can do right now is speculate. What else are we going to talk about?

Even the Cardinals' Insider, MJ, has been relegated to speculation because no one is telling him jack squat...other than the obvious. He's had to text and call agents and players to try to dig up some dirt---and players and agents don't know what's going on.

I don't think what i or oaken wrote is a "wild fantasy from the nether world". And when you or anyone else condescend ("you body language experts") and ridicule posts and posters like this, you are suggesting that people should just shut the f up, drive squarely down the middle of the road and stick exclusively to what you and the mainstream consider a "preponderance of evidence"---even when there really is no preponderance of evidence, which is why some of us are speculating in the first place.

If everyone just wrote to appease the mainstream---how vanilla and mundane would this board be?

Mitch, you know I enjoy your posts as much as anyone - I don't march into threads you post where I think your trade proposals are a little far fetched and insult you, and I hope my post to you and Oaken wasn't taken as insulting.

But I have to admit, when it comes to essentially trashing the franchise's leadership in some scenario that hasn't been even slightly hinted at by any of the hundreds to thousands of reporters whose job it is to cover any such strife, I get a little bothered. I come to ASFN to share excitement about my team, discuss future moves, and get different insights, not to hear people invent reasons that our franchise sucks.

I mean, more power to anyone to post whatever they feel like, but I'll also call it out if I think it's over the top.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Tune into non-verbal communications and gain a greater understanding of human behavior. Ignore or ridicule at your own risk.

If you don't believe me, check with crime investigators, your dog, and your spouse on the importance of body language.

Non-verbal cues are an important and integral part of human communication and you ignore them at your peril.

That said, it is also very easy to misread some cues, particularly of individuals you don’t know well (and the truth is we don’t know these people well - we only get to see their public personas). I read a TON of conjecture in a lot of these posts. Nonverbals typically give insight into broad strokes like confusion, disconnected, anger, agreement, frustration, happiness, etc. But trying to use it as a basis to build a back story is often a BIG mistake and leads to enormous inaccurate assumptions and eventually miscommunications.

I’m an attorney and head of service for a large national consulting firm. I use nonverbals every day in different settings. Be it a finalist meeting for a prospective client (about whom I know very little), with current clients (about whom I know a good deal more), with my team (whom I know VERY well), and with leadership (whom I have to read very carefully). One of the biggest mistakes anyone can make is assuming they are reading the nonverbals correctly without actually confirming. Here there’s no ability to confirm, so at the end of the day we just have a LOT of conjecture regarding people about whom we realistically don’t possess a great deal of personal insight.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Funny that you ridiculed oaken and my posts for being speculative and then went ahead and offered some speculation yourself. A little contradictory, isn't it?

The point is---pretty much all of what we can do right now is speculate. What else are we going to talk about?

Even the Cardinals' Insider, MJ, has been relegated to speculation because no one is telling him jack squat...other than the obvious. He's had to text and call agents and players to try to dig up some dirt---and players and agents don't know what's going on.

I don't think what i or oaken wrote is a "wild fantasy from the nether world". And when you or anyone else condescend ("you body language experts") and ridicule posts and posters like this, you are suggesting that people should just shut the f up, drive squarely down the middle of the road and stick exclusively to what you and the mainstream consider a "preponderance of evidence"---even when there really is no preponderance of evidence, which is why some of us are speculating in the first place.

If everyone just wrote to appease the mainstream---how vanilla and mundane would this board be?

In daves defense he’s a scientist. He prefers proofs to imagination.

 

[Mitch]

Mitch, you know I enjoy your posts as much as anyone - I don't march into threads you post where I think your trade proposals are a little far fetched and insult you, and I hope my post to you and Oaken wasn't taken as insulting.

But I have to admit, when it comes to essentially trashing the franchise's leadership in some scenario that hasn't been even slightly hinted at by any of the hundreds to thousands of reporters whose job it is to cover any such strife, I get a little bothered. I come to ASFN to share excitement about my team, discuss future moves, and get different insights, not to hear people invent reasons that our franchise sucks.

I mean, more power to anyone to post whatever they feel like, but I'll also call it out if I think it's over the top.

I am here for many of the same reasons, Solar7, but to me, being a Cardinals' fan since 1963 has been like scrounging my way through a giant labyrinth and trying to find the secret passageway to the lifelong dream of seeing my favorite team in sports win the Super Bowl.

Part of being a long-time Cardinals' fan is the suffering and frustration we have all have had to endure---not only watching the Cardinals fall short of the playoffs in most years---but watching other teams bask in glory and success---some on a yearly basis.

Why do other teams seem to get things right, and we don't?

That's the question I ask myself every day. But to that question, I am always searching for solutions. This is why I write and share thoughts here. To solve problems you first have to identify what they are---it doesn't mean the Cardinals totally suck all the time---and it doesn't mean that I don't celebrate the victories, the good plays or the efforts my favorite players make. I mean, I think back to the SDS years when we were getting out butts kicked almost every game in 110 degree heat---but---there was a Cardinal named Larry Centers, #37, who never backed down and when things got toughest---he got tougher. Larry Centers gave me hope.

Every year there is a new player who gives me hope. Last year that player was Budda Baker.

Fast forward to the past couple of years---I bought in hard to BA's "All or Nothing" mantra---like many of us did. It was manna to my ears---finally we get a coach who has his eye on the prize and nothing else. But, after getting the Cardinals so close, it fell apart like a cardboard box in the rain. I saw it coming. I spoke up and hoped I was wrong. But, alas, my instincts were correct. I took heapings of sh%t day after day on this board. By then BA was a sacred icon. But, the decisions he started to make defied his All or Nothing mantra---and I called BS. If you are All or Nothing you don't keep a STC who is awful and costing the team games. You don't fill Todd Bowles' shoes with a young, green unproven coach, especially when Wade Phillips, Dick LeBeau and Jim Schwartz are looking for jobs (2 of those 3 have rings since then). You don't start trash talking division rivals to the national media. You don't start trashing your own players to the local media. You don't call a player Patrick Peterson-esque talent-wise one minute and then call him "a failure in progress" the next. This All or Nothing mantra was an elaborate con job of the first degree.

Some day the veil will lift and the truth will come out about what was really going on behind the scenes. I have my theory and I have explained it. To me it's logical and it connects all the dots---but, to others, like you and daves, it's just made up BS to make the team look bad. I just want the truth.

However, I find it curious that Michael Bidwill is now saying that he wants to film Cardinals' Flight Plan so he and the team could be more 'transparent" with the fans.

So, much like you, i come here to celebrate the good stuff, to share analyses of the coaches and players and schemes, to learn from and converse/debate with my fellow fans, and to vent my truest of feelings. As you know, i don't care about appeasing the mainstream. I care about being honest. I feel bad that for you (and anyone else) at times my posts diminish the enjoyment of being here. But until everyone tells me to shut up, I am still going to write for those who still want to hear my thoughts, pleasant or unpleasant.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I’ve seen a few mention bridgewatwr as a mobile QB. I don’t think he is. Don’t be confused because he’s african American. I don’t think he’s a runner by nature. Is he more mobile than carson? Sure, but so is a fire hydrant.

heres an article, about being able to escape and make plays on his feet. Its exactly what Wilks mentioned. Hes not Vick. I would say McCown is not a pure pocket passer as well. What I was trying to get too, was gone are the statues Arians wanted. Wilks has said he wants someone who can escape the pockwt and make plays on his feet. Taylor, Keenum, Bridgewater ane McCown of available qbs fall in this category. So its something you will have to factor in, during the Cards selection process.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Non-verbal cues are an important and integral part of human communication and you ignore them at your peril.

That said, it is also very easy to misread some cues, particularly of individuals you don’t know well (and the truth is we don’t know these people well - we only get to see their public personas). I read a TON of conjecture in a lot of these posts. Nonverbals typically give insight into broad strokes like confusion, disconnected, anger, agreement, frustration, happiness, etc. But trying to use it as a basis to build a back story is often a BIG mistake and leads to enormous inaccurate assumptions and eventually miscommunications.

I’m an attorney and head of service for a large national consulting firm. I use nonverbals every day in different settings. Be it a finalist meeting for a prospective client (about whom I know very little), with current clients (about whom I know a good deal more), with my team (whom I know VERY well), and with leadership (whom I have to read very carefully). One of the biggest mistakes anyone can make is assuming they are reading the nonverbals correctly without actually confirming. Here there’s no ability to confirm, so at the end of the day we just have a LOT of conjecture regarding people about whom we realistically don’t possess a great deal of personal insight.

I have a dear old friend who has been a mentor to me. He was a professor for forty years and he said when he was young at the job, he had one student who always gave him a sour look no matter what he said in his lecture. Everyone for the most part gave him a positive response except this guy. One day he took the guy aside to his office and told him that he was open to criticism if there was anything he was doing which was hampering his learning experience due to his expression. The student looked at him and said, "There is no issue with you at all, I always look like this"... and he was right lol

 

[NJCardFan]

"Steve Wilks: Cardinals will be “very aggressive” in finding a quarterback"

Gee, ya think, Capt. Obvious?

 

[daves]

When he was at his best, though, he was really good.

More like really mediocre, decent as a game manager, with promise that because he was only in his second year, he might improve in the future.

14 TDs in 16 games in both his rookie and sophomore NFL seasons does not qualify as "really good".

But, he could be good enough to manage until a rookie is ready to take over, or maybe he shows that upside that people saw in him, so i wouldn't mind seeing the Cardinals sign him to a short-term "prove it" deal or an incentive-laden deal as a bridge with upside.

...dave

 

[daves]

Funny that you ridiculed oaken and my posts for being speculative and then went ahead and offered some speculation yourself. A little contradictory, isn't it?

Nope, i'm not speculating based on body language, i'm basing my opinions on a long history of things people actually said and did. Bidwill praised Keim and then signed him to an extension. Years of quotes from Bidwill indicate that he's very happy working with Keim to reach "Cardinals decisions". To speculate that ACTUALLY Keim hates Wilks, Bidwill made the decision to hire Wilks over Keim's objections, and then heaped phony praise on him and extended him to appease him, strikes me as preposterous fantasy that flies in the face of everything we've seen from Bidwill and Keim over many years.

The point is---pretty much all of what we can do right now is speculate. What else are we going to talk about? [....]

I don't think what i or oaken wrote is a "wild fantasy from the nether world". And when you or anyone else condescend ("you body language experts") and ridicule posts and posters like this, you are suggesting that people should just shut the f up, drive squarely down the middle of the road and stick exclusively to what you and the mainstream consider a "preponderance of evidence"---even when there really is no preponderance of evidence, which is why some of us are speculating in the first place.

You're free to speculate all you want! As you know, i enjoy a lot of your posts and hope you keep up everything you do, even this wild speculation! But when fantastical conspiracy theories go unchallenged, there's a tendency of people to start believing them. Pretty soon people will be writing here about the "rift" between Bidwill and Keim, as if it's a thing that actually exists.

So you go on writing up your opinions, and if i think they're informative or insightful, as they usually are, i'll like or comment on them, as i have done many times, but if i think they're ridiculous, i'll ridicule. If you think that amounts to telling you to shut the f up, then you can put me on ignore.

...dbs

 

[daves]

I am here for many of the same reasons, Solar7, but to me, being a Cardinals' fan since 1963 has been like scrounging my way through a giant labyrinth and trying to find the secret passageway to the lifelong dream of seeing my favorite team in sports win the Super Bowl.

I'm right there with you, Mitch! Well, not since '63 but since the mid-70's, and i think all of us who have been loyal to the team through all of the bad years and the few good ones have earned our way into the same "fraternity" of shared experiences, frustrations, hopes and dashed hopes, etc.

Fast forward to the past couple of years---I bought in hard to BA's "All or Nothing" mantra---like many of us did. It was manna to my ears---finally we get a coach who has his eye on the prize and nothing else. But, after getting the Cardinals so close, it fell apart like a cardboard box in the rain. I saw it coming. I spoke up and hoped I was wrong. But, alas, my instincts were correct.

In my opinion, after improving each year of Arians' tenure, the Cardinals had a small window to legitimately contend for a Championship. After falling short in the NFC Championship game in 2016, their window was slammed shut by (a) aging players whose performance started slipping, (b) aging player suffering predictable injuries and young one suffering unfortunate ones, (c) failure of early draft picks to contribute, and (d) Arians' loyalty to Amos allowing the special teams to go from bad to horrible.

Some of your "instincts" were correct - we would ALL agree on point (d) above, and we can speculate whether Arians could've brought in a better DC than Bettcher, but all of the speculation about the impact of Arians' foul language, how he treated his players, etc. remains unsubstantiated. And based on how Arians' former players from the Cardinals and other teams have spoken about him, most likely unfounded. I get that you are a classy guy and you don't like that part of Arians' personality, but there is no evidence that it had a negative impact on the team's performance.

Some day the veil will lift and the truth will come out about what was really going on behind the scenes. I have my theory and I have explained it. To me it's logical and it connects all the dots---but, to others, like you and daves, it's just made up BS to make the team look bad. I just want the truth.

I would love to read about things that happened behind the scenes some day when Arians or Keim decides to write about it, and i'm know you're trying to connect the dots and not make the team look bad. But rather than being supported by objective evidence, many of your conjectures look more like projections of your own personality.

However, I find it curious that Michael Bidwill is now saying that he wants to film Cardinals' Flight Plan so he and the team could be more 'transparent" with the fans.

Curious? Yes, it certainly would be odd for Bidwill to want to show the fans what's going on behind the scenes, if in fact there is an ugly rift between him and Keim, which needed to be papered over with insincere flowery words and a contract extension for Keim. Very curious indeed. Some might say, it makes no sense at all. Some, like me, would say that it sounds as though the speculation was pulled from someone's nether regions, and not based in reality.

So, much like you, i come here to celebrate the good stuff, to share analyses of the coaches and players and schemes, to learn from and converse/debate with my fellow fans, and to vent my truest of feelings. As you know, i don't care about appeasing the mainstream. I care about being honest. I feel bad that for you (and anyone else) at times my posts diminish the enjoyment of being here. But until everyone tells me to shut up, I am still going to write for those who still want to hear my thoughts, pleasant or unpleasant.

My criticism of your posts in no way indicates that i don't enjoy them or that you should shut up. I'm confident that we will each continue to do what we do here and i hope you don't take such offense when i call out what i see as unfounded nonsense. As you can see, it's what i do and i've done it to nearly everyone on the board at one point or another!

...dbs

 

[GimmedaBall]

If you post an opinion or theory, do so without expectations of acceptance. No matter what you have to say, there is someone who will have the exact opposite opinion.

Put critiques in perspective. If you get three or four who disagree, why, that must mean that the whole rest of the forum is with you and are sitting back in silent agreement (LOL).

Your most harsh critic is also your best friend when it comes to tightening up your argument and getting your point in order. Take the critique and use it to your advantage. Anyone who invests the time in your opinion is doing you a big favor by pointing out potential flaws. Stand back as an observer and determine the value in the criticism. Then correct your argument . . . if necessary.

No points for being a long-term Cardinal fan. The only thing you have earned is induction into the Masochist Hall of Fame.

You are never as smart as you think you are and they are never as dumb as you are sure they are.

 

[Mitch]

Nope, i'm not speculating based on body language, i'm basing my opinions on a long history of things people actually said and did. Bidwill praised Keim and then signed him to an extension. Years of quotes from Bidwill indicate that he's very happy working with Keim to reach "Cardinals decisions". To speculate that ACTUALLY Keim hates Wilks, Bidwill made the decision to hire Wilks over Keim's objections, and then heaped phony praise on him and extended him to appease him, strikes me as preposterous fantasy that flies in the face of everything we've seen from Bidwill and Keim over many years.

I never said that, that is oaken's theory, to which I offered a respectful rebuttal and a counter theory. While I didn't agree with oaken i value him as one of the most thoughtful posters here, so I didn't resort to name calling or deeming his thoughts "preposterous fantasy."


You're free to speculate all you want! As you know, i enjoy a lot of your posts and hope you keep up everything you do, even this wild speculation! But when fantastical conspiracy theories go unchallenged, there's a tendency of people to start believing them. Pretty soon people will be writing here about the "rift" between Bidwill and Keim, as if it's a thing that actually exists.

Again, this was not my theory.

So you go on writing up your opinions, and if i think they're informative or insightful, as they usually are, i'll like or comment on them, as i have done many times, but if i think they're ridiculous, i'll ridicule. If you think that amounts to telling you to shut the f up, then you can put me on ignore.

Ridiculing is in violation of the ASFN rules. If you ridicule my thoughts again or treat me as condescendingly as you did, I will put you on ignore. if you want to challenge my thoughts with respectful rebuttals, I am all for it. I love good debates and i usually learn a lot from them. I have always felt that you have a lot to offer and have treated you with respect.

...dbs

 

[Gandhi]

More like really mediocre, decent as a game manager, with promise that because he was only in his second year, he might improve in the future.

14 TDs in 16 games in both his rookie and sophomore NFL seasons does not qualify as "really good".

You are right, Dave. My thinking was mostly about what he was about to become, and not what he actually was in the moment. Those are obviously two different things.

But, he could be good enough to manage until a rookie is ready to take over, or maybe he shows that upside that people saw in him, so i wouldn't mind seeing the Cardinals sign him to a short-term "prove it" deal or an incentive-laden deal as a bridge with upside.

...dave

That was my exact thinking. Maybe along with signing a more proven quarterback to start games if neither Bridgewater or the rookie can do it.

 

[daves]

To speculate that ACTUALLY Keim hates Wilks, Bidwill made the decision to hire Wilks over Keim's objections, and then heaped phony praise on him and extended him to appease him, strikes me as preposterous fantasy that flies in the face of everything we've seen from Bidwill and Keim over many years.

I never said that, that is oaken's theory, to which I offered a respectful rebuttal and a counter theory. While I didn't agree with oaken i value him as one of the most thoughtful posters here, so I didn't resort to name calling or deeming his thoughts "preposterous fantasy."

Indeed, in my first post in my thread i was referring to all of the wild speculation that was being done in the thread, without any evidence that i can see, and in fact contradicted by objective statements and events. I did not reply to your post, nor mention you or Oaken by name, nor did i make any kind of personal attack on either one of you. I respect you both and have liked and provided positive responses to dozens, maybe hundreds of each of your posts.

I referenced the theory of a rift between Bidwill and Keim as an example, but i think your theory that Bidwill wanted Arians gone, that Arians' retirement was forced and not his own idea - based among other things on the facts that there were no questions allowed at Arians' retirement press conference, that Keim looked somber at Wilks' introduction, and that Arians wasn't mentioned at Wilks' introduction - strikes me as equally preposterous and contradicted by the body of evidence.

You said, "BA did not want to risk hinting at the real reason why he retired" - come on, he has made a big stink about how he was "refired" by Pittsburgh, but you think he wouldn't want to "risk" letting on that actually, retiring wasn't his idea?! What did he have to "risk"? Oh, his "severance package"? But he could equally well have refused to retire, and been entitled to 100% of his salary for the remainder of his contract. You think instead, what he said at his tearful retirement press conference was a sham, to cover for Bidwill? And you think that Keim "wasn't happy about BA retiring", which was orchestrated by Bidwill, thus implying (like Oaken1) a rift between the two, papered over by the contract extension.

All of this flies in the face of everything we know about Arians (doesn't mince words) and Bidwill (straight shooter), and requires positing a baseless conspiracy theory about machinations behind the scenes, a phony story to cover everything up - all absurd.

In your own post, you repeatedly said, "One might imagine" multiple times! Figments of imagination are exactly what i called them - "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions".

So you go on writing up your opinions, and if i think they're informative or insightful, as they usually are, i'll like or comment on them, as i have done many times, but if i think they're ridiculous, i'll ridicule. If you think that amounts to telling you to shut the f up, then you can put me on ignore.

Ridiculing is in violation of the ASFN rules. If you ridicule my thoughts again or treat me as condescendingly as you did, I will put you on ignore. if you want to challenge my thoughts with respectful rebuttals, I am all for it. I love good debates and i usually learn a lot from them. I have always felt that you have a lot to offer and have treated you with respect.

One of the Cardinal rules of this great site is to debate the idea, not the poster. I didn't reply to your post, never mentioned you by name, and as you pointed out above, the theory i referenced was Oaken1's, the body language reading which i regarded as wildly overreaching was Gimmedaball's (who, by the way, took my post much less personally than you did!). So i'm honestly not sure why you're taking things as personal insults.

Again, if i think an opinion is preposterous, absurd, or ridiculous, i will express my opinion accordingly. That's my personality and if you're going to take that as a personal insult, then i am truly sorry that you feel that way, but don't wait, just put me on ignore now, and spare yourself the suffering.

...dave

 

[Jetstream Green]

Those crazy Cardinals are going for Brees

 

[cardncubfan]

Watching this video I get the impression the Keim & Bidwill are on very good terms.

http://www.azcardinals.com/videos/videos/Cards_Weekly_The_Plan/5dd6bbe2-0b3d-4304-a0eb-0b9342c5977e

 

[az jam]

Those crazy Cardinals are going for Brees

Saints | Meeting for Drew Brees deal expected soon Thu Feb 22,

New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees' representatives are expected to meet with the team at the upcoming NFL Scouting Combine 'to try to hammer out what is potentially a short-term deal,' according to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. It is expected that the two sides find 'common ground' on deal that will fall between $20 million and $25 million annually.

 

[Mitch]

Indeed, in my first post in my thread i was referring to all of the wild speculation that was being done in the thread, without any evidence that i can see, and in fact contradicted by objective statements and events. I did not reply to your post, nor mention you or Oaken by name, nor did i make any kind of personal attack on either one of you. I respect you both and have liked and provided positive responses to dozens, maybe hundreds of each of your posts.

I referenced the theory of a rift between Bidwill and Keim as an example, but i think your theory that Bidwill wanted Arians gone, that Arians' retirement was forced and not his own idea - based among other things on the facts that there were no questions allowed at Arians' retirement press conference, that Keim looked somber at Wilks' introduction, and that Arians wasn't mentioned at Wilks' introduction - strikes me as equally preposterous and contradicted by the body of evidence.

You said, "BA did not want to risk hinting at the real reason why he retired" - come on, he has made a big stink about how he was "refired" by Pittsburgh, but you think he wouldn't want to "risk" letting on that actually, retiring wasn't his idea?! What did he have to "risk"? Oh, his "severance package"? But he could equally well have refused to retire, and been entitled to 100% of his salary for the remainder of his contract. You think instead, what he said at his tearful retirement press conference was a sham, to cover for Bidwill? And you think that Keim "wasn't happy about BA retiring", which was orchestrated by Bidwill, thus implying (like Oaken1) a rift between the two, papered over by the contract extension.

All of this flies in the face of everything we know about Arians (doesn't mince words) and Bidwill (straight shooter), and requires positing a baseless conspiracy theory about machinations behind the scenes, a phony story to cover everything up - all absurd.

In your own post, you repeatedly said, "One might imagine" multiple times! Figments of imagination are exactly what i called them - "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions".



One of the Cardinal rules of this great site is to debate the idea, not the poster. I didn't reply to your post, never mentioned you by name, and as you pointed out above, the theory i referenced was Oaken1's, the body language reading which i regarded as wildly overreaching was Gimmedaball's (who, by the way, took my post much less personally than you did!). So i'm honestly not sure why you're taking things as personal insults.

Again, if i think an opinion is preposterous, absurd, or ridiculous, i will express my opinion accordingly. That's my personality and if you're going to take that as a personal insult, then i am truly sorry that you feel that way, but don't wait, just put me on ignore now, and spare yourself the suffering.

...dave

If you think your post which followed oaken1's and mine was ok just because you didn't mention us by name but cowardly instead referred to us and our theories in derogatory and condescending terms absolves you of any indiscretion, you are mistaken. Your ridicule was a violation of the board rules and seeing as you justify it as a part of your personality, I will put you on ignore. Please stay off my posts---if i see your name there I will report you to the moderators for harassment.

 

[juza76]

 

[oaken1]

Indeed, in my first post in my thread i was referring to all of the wild speculation that was being done in the thread, without any evidence that i can see, and in fact contradicted by objective statements and events. I did not reply to your post, nor mention you or Oaken by name, nor did i make any kind of personal attack on either one of you. I respect you both and have liked and provided positive responses to dozens, maybe hundreds of each of your posts.

I referenced the theory of a rift between Bidwill and Keim as an example, but i think your theory that Bidwill wanted Arians gone, that Arians' retirement was forced and not his own idea - based among other things on the facts that there were no questions allowed at Arians' retirement press conference, that Keim looked somber at Wilks' introduction, and that Arians wasn't mentioned at Wilks' introduction - strikes me as equally preposterous and contradicted by the body of evidence.

You said, "BA did not want to risk hinting at the real reason why he retired" - come on, he has made a big stink about how he was "refired" by Pittsburgh, but you think he wouldn't want to "risk" letting on that actually, retiring wasn't his idea?! What did he have to "risk"? Oh, his "severance package"? But he could equally well have refused to retire, and been entitled to 100% of his salary for the remainder of his contract. You think instead, what he said at his tearful retirement press conference was a sham, to cover for Bidwill? And you think that Keim "wasn't happy about BA retiring", which was orchestrated by Bidwill, thus implying (like Oaken1) a rift between the two, papered over by the contract extension.

All of this flies in the face of everything we know about Arians (doesn't mince words) and Bidwill (straight shooter), and requires positing a baseless conspiracy theory about machinations behind the scenes, a phony story to cover everything up - all absurd.

In your own post, you repeatedly said, "One might imagine" multiple times! Figments of imagination are exactly what i called them - "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions".



One of the Cardinal rules of this great site is to debate the idea, not the poster. I didn't reply to your post, never mentioned you by name, and as you pointed out above, the theory i referenced was Oaken1's, the body language reading which i regarded as wildly overreaching was Gimmedaball's (who, by the way, took my post much less personally than you did!). So i'm honestly not sure why you're taking things as personal insults.

Again, if i think an opinion is preposterous, absurd, or ridiculous, i will express my opinion accordingly. That's my personality and if you're going to take that as a personal insult, then i am truly sorry that you feel that way, but don't wait, just put me on ignore now, and spare yourself the suffering.

...dave

my implications on the topic were specifically related to the wilks hiring...not about BA retiring so much... I think MB over ruled SK and hired the guy he wanted... it is purely speculation based upon observed actions/reactions/body language.

I dont see it as a huge stretch honestly. There is a chain of command for a reason and MB is the boss so he will always have the final say when an agreement cannot be reached. It is not a stretch to consider two powerful men disagreeing on something and one of them being upset about being over ruled.
I do not however think it will hamper SK in his job or in helping the team to win. I dont think he is a petty dude like that.
We have all been over ruled at some point. sometimes it aint a big deal, sometimes it is something you are passionate about and it is extremely frustrating. But in the end, the decision is made so you just move on to the task at hand and do your job.

Much like Mitch I aint a fan of having my ideas and observations labled as preposterous or rediculous...lol... But I have done the same to others many times over the years and somehow I have managed to never block a single person on asfn, lol.

I think that sometimes its a good thing to have checks and balances in place...and if it were not for the intense disagreements we have at times...we would not develop the "cyber relationships" that we have as the ASFN family.
I have tailgated with some folks on here many times... but most I have never met. However... I would not hesitate to tailgate with those I have yet to meet. Sometimes discussing "preposterous" ideas is even more fun over a beer and some brats

 

[daves]

my implications on the topic were specifically related to the wilks hiring...not about BA retiring so much... I think MB over ruled SK and hired the guy he wanted... it is purely speculation based upon observed actions/reactions/body language.

Much like Mitch I aint a fan of having my ideas and observations labled as preposterous or rediculous...lol... But I have done the same to others many times over the years and somehow I have managed to never block a single person on asfn, lol.

Oaken1, i don't see any evidence behind the idea that Keim and Bidwill had different first choices for HC, Bidwill rightfully overruled Keim, and Keim is OK with it because that's just the chain of command - but i don't find the idea preposterous. The parts i find preposterous are the extrapolation based on body language at a press conference, and the "conspiracy" theories about disingenuous press conferences, Bidwill not liking Arians' vulgar language, ulterior motives for praise and contract extensions, etc. Yes, i know that reading body language is a real thing, but imputing reasons and motives, as you or someone else noted, is just speculation. And there's nothing wrong with speculation, but i don't think we should all sit back and let it go by without being allowed to state our opinions that it's preposterous.

I think that sometimes its a good thing to have checks and balances in place...and if it were not for the intense disagreements we have at times...we would not develop the "cyber relationships" that we have as the ASFN family.

I have tailgated with some folks on here many times... but most I have never met. However... I would not hesitate to tailgate with those I have yet to meet. Sometimes discussing "preposterous" ideas is even more fun over a beer and some brats

Agree 100% and next time i'm able to attend a game i'd love to discuss your theories over beers and call you a nut to your face! :-D Life is too short to take things like this too seriously.

...dave

P.S. I really would be interested in having the "body language experts" watch Arians' press conference (linked in my earlier post) and compare and contrast. Keim doesn't look particularly excited or comfortable there either, including when he says how excited he is. I get the idea that he's a fat guy not super comfortable in a suit, who doesn't want to make the moment all about himself. But that's just my reading of his body language.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Daves,

I'm part of the Evil Triad including Mitch and Oaken1 in regards to speculating on what is (or has happened) in regards to the drama among the Cards FO and HC.

My comments were on the observations made regarding my reading of the non-verbals and body language evident in the Wilks intro-presser with MB and SK in attendance.

See my post at #28 this thread.

I'm confident in my reading which is the reason I was not offended or put-off by yours and others criticism. I worked for many years in Management Skills consulting, Human Resources, and Cross-Cultural training and have conducted training for a wide variety of corporate clients---with non-verbal communications a major component in my classes.

I would drum up contracts by contacting potential clients and asking them to send me a video tape of a meeting among their management team. I'd analyze in the same fashion I looked at the Wilks presser and send off my comments---and had a good success rate/hire and comments on the accuracy of my assessment.

Some of the comments made regarding non-verbals is correct. You have to get a baseline on an individual before attempting to read the micro gestures. There is also a huge cultural component to how people present themselves in public. It is also extending the argument too far when a complete drama is constructed out of non-verbals alone and the analysis goes in the direction of novel writing without supporting behind-the-scenes facts. That is a key point I would stress when training law enforcement responsible for writing up reports of a crime, accident, etc. There is a need to 'complete the narrative' and to knit together the various pieces into a full and logical story. When someone in law enforcement does that, it leaves the investigation in jeopardy under legal scrutiny by a defense attorney. As Sgt. Joe Friday would say on Dragnet, "All we want are the facts, ma’am." (not 'Just the facts ma'am).

Appreciate any feedback in regards to my list of observations. Please provide more details over just disbelief. Would appreciate hearing what you read is going on.

Also, I believe I am the sole poster in this thread who brought up BA's use of vulgarity with his players. I am aware of BA's hiring story in which MB/SK responded to his creative use of the 'F-word.' Not sure if MB was in disbelief or amazement. I can't find where Oaken1 or Mitch said anything about MB not liking BA's use of vulgarity in this thread. Perhaps I missed it in my reread of the thread.

I brought up the contrast in use of language between BA and SW. Not once did SW resort to vulgarity or sexual innuendo in his press conference and that sends a completely different message to his players. SW's non-verbal presentation at the podium and his use of language broadcast plenty regarding his future behavior toward the players.

I guess one could stretch the point in saying that Mitch made reference to BA's vulgarity in post #27 when he stated "Bidwill clearly wants a more diligent day to day approach and preparation, a staff of coaches who will "relate" to the players and not denigrate or belittle them (so as to improve player development)" Of course, if you construct a narrative that what Mitch was talking about was MB not approving of BA's vulgarity . . . well, you are engaging in novel writing of your own.

 

[Chopper0080]

Indeed, in my first post in my thread i was referring to all of the wild speculation that was being done in the thread, without any evidence that i can see, and in fact contradicted by objective statements and events. I did not reply to your post, nor mention you or Oaken by name, nor did i make any kind of personal attack on either one of you. I respect you both and have liked and provided positive responses to dozens, maybe hundreds of each of your posts.

I referenced the theory of a rift between Bidwill and Keim as an example, but i think your theory that Bidwill wanted Arians gone, that Arians' retirement was forced and not his own idea - based among other things on the facts that there were no questions allowed at Arians' retirement press conference, that Keim looked somber at Wilks' introduction, and that Arians wasn't mentioned at Wilks' introduction - strikes me as equally preposterous and contradicted by the body of evidence.

You said, "BA did not want to risk hinting at the real reason why he retired" - come on, he has made a big stink about how he was "refired" by Pittsburgh, but you think he wouldn't want to "risk" letting on that actually, retiring wasn't his idea?! What did he have to "risk"? Oh, his "severance package"? But he could equally well have refused to retire, and been entitled to 100% of his salary for the remainder of his contract. You think instead, what he said at his tearful retirement press conference was a sham, to cover for Bidwill? And you think that Keim "wasn't happy about BA retiring", which was orchestrated by Bidwill, thus implying (like Oaken1) a rift between the two, papered over by the contract extension.

All of this flies in the face of everything we know about Arians (doesn't mince words) and Bidwill (straight shooter), and requires positing a baseless conspiracy theory about machinations behind the scenes, a phony story to cover everything up - all absurd.

In your own post, you repeatedly said, "One might imagine" multiple times! Figments of imagination are exactly what i called them - "Wild fantasies pulled from the nether regions".



One of the Cardinal rules of this great site is to debate the idea, not the poster. I didn't reply to your post, never mentioned you by name, and as you pointed out above, the theory i referenced was Oaken1's, the body language reading which i regarded as wildly overreaching was Gimmedaball's (who, by the way, took my post much less personally than you did!). So i'm honestly not sure why you're taking things as personal insults.

Again, if i think an opinion is preposterous, absurd, or ridiculous, i will express my opinion accordingly. That's my personality and if you're going to take that as a personal insult, then i am truly sorry that you feel that way, but don't wait, just put me on ignore now, and spare yourself the suffering.

...dave

This is the same reason Mitch has me on ignore. Critical response to his more wild speculation and you are attacking him.

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[Cheesebeef]

Jebus... we REALLY need FA to start.