Stoudemire trying to go from superstar to most improved

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Stoudemire trying to go from superstar to most improved

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By J.A. Adande
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Updated: August 19, 2007

LAS VEGAS -- There went Amare Stoudemire, talent coursing through all 6 feet, 10 inches of him, running down the court at the Team USA practice, prompting former Georgetown coach John Thompson to lean forward in his sideline seat and wonder aloud the same thing that crossed many NBA minds this summer: "I can't imagine why the Suns would even think about trading Amare."

He's 24 years old, coming off a season of averaging 20 and 10, and capable of making you forget he's had multiple knee surgeries. But the Minnesota Timberwolves were making Kevin Garnett available and, as a Suns insider said, "You have to listen." Stoudemire's name came into the various scenarios, including a three-way trade with the Atlanta Hawks, but things never got serious enough to plan a news conference.

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Stoudemire thinks he can "raise the stakes" this year as he takes more on his broad shoulders.

The Suns listened, and that was about it. They didn't make the move to get a former MVP and 10-time All-Star. Maybe it's because they realized something: Amare Stoudemire must be the most important player in the NBA.

If you believe that the letter-of-the-law suspension of Stoudemire for Game 5 of the Western Conference semifinals is what cost the Suns the series and ultimately the championship, you're basically saying one player in one game would have changed the entire postseason. (Boris Diaw was also suspended, but he was averaging 5.6 points that series, with almost as many turnovers as assists. Stoudemire was doing it to the Spurs, averaging 26.4 points and 10.6 rebounds. That's why the suspension was about him.)

I throw that little extrapolation at Stoudemire, while he's getting ice bags taped to his knees by athletic trainer Keith Jones after a Team USA practice in Las Vegas. Jones chuckles at the logic.
"You like that, huh, Keith?" Stoudemire says.

Jones smiles, nods and keeps rolling the tape. Stoudemire doesn't shy away from the premise.

"It could have happened that way," Stoudemire says of the no-suspension scenario. "There's no proven fact that it would have happened that way, but we definitely would have had a great chance of becoming champs if I would have played Game 5."

He doesn't speak with bitterness. In fact, Stoudemire and the Suns were involved in the biggest controversy of the playoffs, the biggest controversy of the offseason (the Tim Donaghy scandal) and the biggest trade rumors of the summer, yet none of those topics makes him raise his voice.

On the suspension for leaving the bench during an altercation near the end of Game 4 against San Antonio: "I wasn't upset. I was kind of OK with it, because it is the rule. It is what it is.

"That's how you prevent those type of serious altercations, by keeping guys on the bench. But you do have to show support for your teammates and make sure they're OK. There's some gray area there, but I think it's a fair rule."

On losing Game 3 to the Spurs in what turned out to be the last game Donaghy officiated before resigning and pleading guilty to providing inside information to gamblers: "It's tough to come to grips [with], but we have no control over that area. All we do is just play the game of basketball to the best of our ability."

On talk that he was headed to Minnesota or Atlanta in a trade for Garnett: "I kind of figured it was all rumors. As soon as it happened, [Suns president] Steve Kerr gave me a call. Coach [Mike] D'Antoni gave me a call. From the front office on down, they called me and said it's only rumors, don't worry about it."

That's it. No rants about the absurdity of an outdated rule costing him a critical 48 minutes just because he strolled down the sidelines. No accusations of the Suns being on the wrong side of a betting fix. No tirades about being disrespected because his name came up in trade talks.
I'd like to see what would happen if he did get in touch with his inner Incredible Hulk, channeled some Garnett-like intensity, snarled, declared the paint off-limits, took over an entire series.

Then again, imagine the self-control it takes for him to simply be a functioning citizen. He has always been surrounded by turmoil, yet he never succumbed, always paddling stronger than the pull of the whirlpool's vortex. His mother has been in and out of jail for most of his life, his older brother is in prison, and his half-brother was arrested on suspicion of murder this summer.

Yet Stoudemire seems to find more stability on his own. He's becoming embedded in Phoenix, taking classes at Arizona State, and making charitable and promotional appearances for the Suns.

Can't question his desire, not after he came back from microfracture surgery on his left knee in 2005 and arthroscopic surgery on his right knee in 2006. This time a year ago, his knee wasn't even well enough to let him play with the national team in the World Championship.

"I was close to being ready last year, but I was still favoring my knee," Stoudemire says. "I wasn't quite there."

Can't question his confidence, either. When I suggested it could be a compliment that the trade rumors meant he was equal to Garnett, he said, "I guess you could look at it that way. But I'm not really trying to be equal to anybody. I think Kevin's a great player. But I'm trying to raise the stakes on my end."

When asked how far he can take this, he says, "If the sky's the limit, and the sky's clear, I guess you can figure it out from there."
And he wants to get better. Suns assistant Phil Weber has set two goals for Stoudemire: win the Most Improved Player award and be named the NBA Finals Most Valuable Player.

I don't know how you can improve on being first team All-NBA. First team All-NBA Ultra-Platinum Edition?

Stoudemire has his own ideas.

"Just improve on the skills I didn't have last year," he says. "It's going to be tough, but I think most improved is when you improve on the things that you didn't do the year before and you couldn't do the year before.
"Outside shooting, ballhandling, playmaking, all of that's going to come into play next season."

He left out a key ingredient: leadership. Willing himself to be the dominant force on the team and forcing everyone else to follow. Because maybe we've learned that Steve Nash, as "valuable" as he is, can take the Suns only so far. It's like the NASCAR question: Is it the car or the driver? The Suns have Jeff Gordon at the wheel, but maybe we should be talking about the engine. That would be Stoudemire.

With Kurt Thomas gone, Stoudemire stands as the Suns' only real big man, which makes him even more vital.

You never know when injuries or payroll concerns will conspire to undo this magical Suns team. This could be the last go-round for them. And whether this run ends with a championship depends on if the league's most important player can really deliver on his quest to be its most improved.
J.A. Adande joined ESPN.com as an NBA columnist in August 2007 after 10 years with the Los Angeles Times.
 
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Looks like we posted at the same time. I re-edited to give paragraphy breaks.
 

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just a question:

can an all-star last season win a most improve player award in the next season?
 

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just a question:

can an all-star last season win a most improve player award in the next season?


I would say that if such a scenario was ever going to happen it would've happened in 04-05 with Nash.
 

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For those who don't know, ChandlerMike posted about this on the front page. And while you're there, you should check out the wonderful blog entries from the great writers of ASFN. :)
 

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you just gotta love amare. never settles for anything better than the best he can do, which is certainly hard to imagine because he can do soooo much. it's only a matter of time until he becomes a top 3 scorer, the most dominant frount court player, and a superior leader. if he stays healthy, not even the sky can limit him.
 
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you just gotta love amare. never settles for anything better than the best he can do, which is certainly hard to imagine because he can do soooo much. it's only a matter of time until he becomes a top 3 scorer, the most dominant frount court player, and a superior leader. if he stays healthy, not even the sky can limit him.

I don't think Amare is likely to be a regular season scoring champ. This is a team that spreads the ball around and really does believe in "hit the open man". Last season, Kobe won with 31.6 ppg.

1 Kobe 31.6
2 Anthony 28.9
3 Arenas 28.4
4 Wade 27.4
5 LeBron 27.3
6 Redd 26.7
7 Allen 26.4
8 Iverson 26.3
9 Carter 25.2
10 Yao 25.0
11 JJ 25.0
12 Pierce 25.0


Three teams with two guys in the top 25 was Denver with Anthony and Iverson and Seattle with Allen and Lewis, and Houston with T-Mac and Yao.

Last season, the Suns had rankings:

23 Stoudemire 20.4 ppg
35 Nash 18.6 ppg
41 Barbosa 18.0 ppg
46 Marion 17.5 ppg
72 Bell 14.7 ppg
152 Diaw 9.7 ppg
231 Jones 6.4 ppg
288 KT 4.6 ppg
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76 Hill 14.4 ppg
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My suspicion is the big jump in points will be from Diaw and perhaps Hill. For Amare to get even close to the top five, there would have to be a conscious desire by the team to focus on getting him the ball at the expense of other guys. The Suns system is about hitting the open man.
 

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throughout last season I would always ask myself, why dont they give it to amare every time? sometimes he looks bored in the paint without the ball

Then i remember, oh yeah, everyone on our team can score.
 

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I don't know if he'll be the top scorer in the league this upcoming year, but I think he can up his average significantly. It's true our team spreads the ball around a lot, but the coaches had hoped in the past he would increase his average, and I don't see why they would go away from that thinking now.
 

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Go from superstar to most improved?? Who said he was a superstar?
 
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Go from superstar to most improved?? Who said he was a superstar?

Gee, I'm sure you are right. Nobody really thinks that first team All NBA would qualify a guy as superstar. Besides, there are lots of guys that get selected Rookie of the Year, get selected to go the All Star team twice and gets selected to the USA Olympic team twice. :sarcasm:
 

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Gee, I'm sure you are right. Nobody really thinks that first team All NBA would qualify a guy as superstar. Besides, there are lots of guys that get selected Rookie of the Year, get selected to go the All Star team twice and gets selected to the USA Olympic team twice. :sarcasm:


He's a star...not a superstar. Get off it. I dont care if he's first team whatever or two time all star....Marion is a three timne allstar....does that make him superstar?
 

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Why hype the dude up more than he is? Cant he just be a star and leave it at that?
 

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I believe his ability to finish at the rim is a superpower in itself.

Why not let his fans label him as something they believe he is? The term is subjective, so why force them to change their opinion to yours? All youre doing is stuffing your opinion in a conversation instead of adding to the discourse. The "I dont care if he" is one of the most shallow and obtuse arguments ive seen you try to pull here pokerface




Stop biting ankles... my mother's Chihuahua already has dibs on that position.
 

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If Amare is superstar than what is Duncan...super duper star?

:biglaugh:
 

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I believe his ability to finish at the rim is a superpower in itself.

Why not let his fans label him as something they believe he is? The term is subjective, so why force them to change their opinion to yours? All youre doing is stuffing your opinion in a conversation instead of adding to the discourse. The "I dont care if he" is one of the most shallow and obtuse arguments ive seen you try to pull here pokerface




Stop biting ankles... my mother's Chihuahua already has dibs on that position.


I already said Amare is a star...why isnt that good enough for you? I have to make a superman out of him for ya?
 

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I believe duncans whining, flopping, mediocre freethrow %, lack of passion/enthusiasm, and slowness are just as much of a shortfall as amare's defense.



who said anything about you having to make a superstar out of him? can you go back and find where i said that? Im having some trouble finding it. putting words in my mouth and taking words out of yours simply diminishes your already dwindling credibility and respect

go ahead and have your opinion. i think its perfectly fine you think he is only a star. but that isnt how you said it. you said other peoples opinions were wrong and yours was right. making you an ankle biter who is more focused on disrupting discussion than contributing a well formed opinion
 
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I believe duncans whining, flopping, mediocre freethrow %, lack of passion/enthusiasm, and slowness are just as much of a shortfall as amare's defense.



p.s. thanks for responding directly to my previous comment instead of ducking around it and continuing on your tirade


Duncan isnt better than Amare? Thats news to me!
 

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Duncan, Shaq, Garnett....those are superstars. Amare has a ways to go to reach that level...sorry to burst bubbles over it...I thought it was obvious....guess not.
 

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Duncan isnt better than Amare? Thats news to me!

Where did I say that? Where. Did. I. Say. That.

I said they both have big shortfalls. When did this conversation turn into a duncan vs amare conversation? You clearly have an agenda here, why not start your own thread? Im sure we can pull off another 9 page comparison of duncan vs amare and pretend it hasnt been done 20 times over already.

Stop. Putting. Words. In. My. Mouth.

I used to think you were just a young kid who liked to stir the pot. Probably threw rocks at cats and poked your siblings in the ribs just to get a rise out of them. Now you come across as a fully grown mental midget.
 

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Arnt you implying Amare and Duncan are on the same level??
 

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Amare isnt a superstar...thats all I'm saying. Are you saying he is or isnt?
 
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